BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

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So the guy was ex-military and used an SKS rifle. Talk about destroying the magazine limit laws prevent killings.

Can we also say it destroys the gun free zone BS and the if only there was a good guy with a gun it would be over quick arguments too?
 

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Can we also say it destroys the gun free zone BS and the if only there was a good guy with a gun it would be over quick arguments too?

I am anti-gun but I have to disagree with your logic. The argument wasn't that nobody would be killed but that fewer would get killed. If nobody (including the cops) had guns, I am sure the body count could have been much higher.
 
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I am anti-gun but I have to disagree with your logic. The argument wasn't that nobody would be killed but that fewer would get killed. If nobody (including the cops) had guns, I am sure the body count could have been much higher.

My point is each incident needs to be examined on a case by case basis. To say any one occurrence "destroys" an argument is nonsense.

Perhaps the sarcasm wasn't overtly evident.
 

Jaskalas

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Can we also say it destroys the gun free zone BS and the if only there was a good guy with a gun it would be over quick arguments too?

The scenario argument for guns is this:
If the Dallas shooter had picked a theater, would you rather be able to shoot back, or sit there helpless? Imagine if the Orlando shooter had been put down in the first minute. There are situations where an armed population makes for much better outcomes.

The issue is 1: We often fail to live up to that, as many crowds of people are caught unarmed and unprotected, 2: There are also many instances where gun prevalence allows violence / death of such a greater extent.

It's very tough to balance the two ideas and their consequences. Especially in a country founded during a vastly different world, holding a constitutional right that made a strong determination on this matter.
 

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Basisically from a gun point of view the SK was was the primary military rifle used in Vietnam over the AK and Stoner AR.

This is what Aussies do around Billabongs with SK's in their leisure time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-SXG4BAnrIGotta mod my SK to do that but it's against the Law ;o)

What a Sweety whom didn't deserve that. Auzzie gun laws are very restrictive.

What you can't do with an SK other then a Full-Auto Bull Pup. Strictly not legal in Canada as we are limited to a 5 round Semi-Auto center rifle and a 3 round Semi-Auto shot gun mag. 22 rim fire has no restrictions and there's no way in Hell we can you carry a pistol unless your a Cop or associated with law enforcement.

Doesn't mean we can't own a useless AR as we are limited to a 5 round mag. Give me 30-30 or 303 bolt action Lee Enfield with a 10 round clip any day.

May be why Canadians don't have near the Cop shooting as the US because the boys in blue don't expect you to be armed.

Not saying one stop can't destroy your life over a broken tail light due to legal fees. That's why Cops have paid vocations and a pensions to prey upon civilians they oath to protect.

Makes me wonder who broke the tail light Vs our trust in Cops.
 
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umbrella39

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Sure and let's get rid of the first amendment while we're at it huh! FN idiot! Come and try to take my guns and see what happens. You won't though because you're just some coward behind a keyboard. You want your elected officials to do your dirty work for you. Do you want to see real bloodshed here? Try taking our second amendment away.

If you want to live in a country without a second amendment there's many in the world to suit your Fd up needs. Get the F out.

He just of really triggered you to resurrect a 14 year old ALT account you have. Cool story bro, have any others you like to post them from...
 

JEDI

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There was some discussion earlier in the thread speculating on what kind of weapon was used in Dallas.

Turns out it is an SKS (image below).

It has a non removable magazine that holds 10 7.62x39 mm rounds, slightly less punchy than the .308 which is 7.62x51. Anyway, these kinds of rounds are meant to kill, not wound like the AR-15's .223 / 5.56

This technically is not an assault rifle. It's just a rifle.


non-removable clip?
so he had to insert bullets into the rifle 1 at a time?

imagine how many could have been hurt if it was an ar-15, 30round mag (ie: removable).


btw- how many shots did he fire from this WWII rifle?
and the only people he hit in a crowd of thousands were cops?!

damn accurate!
um.. how far away was he?
 

Ackmed

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The scenario argument for guns is this:
If the Dallas shooter had picked a theater, would you rather be able to shoot back, or sit there helpless? Imagine if the Orlando shooter had been put down in the first minute. There are situations where an armed population makes for much better outcomes.

This actually happened just after the Orlando shooting at another club. Someone opened fire, people were shot. Someone carrying put a stop to it. Yet the media didn't run with it like they did when many people were killed, wouldn't have gone with their agenda.

I dont give a fuck if a PD has any in their inventory or not, that is their deal. And you can use them in non-enclosed spaces by making 40mm grenades filled with the gas, and then firing them from a grenade launcher within 10 feet or so of the shooter. And while a parking garage is not a fully enclosed space, it isnt a fully open space either. Any gas cloud is unlikely to instantly disperse.

Again, you do not know the facts of the situation. The guy was in the military with a deployment, he had some knowledge of how to kill in various ways. Did the cops know this? Nope, which is why you don't assume. He was in a make shift bunker. He claimed to have explosives, could have set a trap. You're making an assumption without all the facts, being a Monday morning QB. They should not have risked one more life for this guy. He made the choice, he suffered the consequences. More ignorant comments, just like the media does. There are many people on here who have repeatedly claimed that police should not have 'military type weapons' yet when shit hits the fan, that is exactly what they want. Typical hypocrisy around here though. None of that really matters though as he in fact did not have any explosives on site.

No, I was agreeing with someone who was responding to someone who said something along the lines that "why did they blow up an explosive instead of disarming it", when blowing up IEDs remotely is a common occurrence, since cutting wires means a human who is next to a bomb for a notable length of time, and more time means more exposure. Disarming them, or blowing them up, is all fine with me, whatever is most appropriate for the situation. And the video I was mentioning, and linked for you, was just how they dealt with one particular IED. Basically I was saying, that just blowing up an IED, instead of taking the time and risk to disarm it, isnt necessarily a bad thing on its own.

Again, things do not always go as planned. Sympathetic detonation does not always work, what then? The charges have to be very close to each other in order for that to work. Do we know what type of charge it could have been? Nope. C4 splatter is very bad, which could have easily happened. I do agree that blowing it up isn't necessarily a bad thing as apposed to trying to disarm it. No more risk of life other than his was worth it at the time imo. But as I said, it doesn't always work. I did a 'medal of honor' run once doing the exact same thing. We set a charge to blow an 40lb IED in place, it didn't go off. We were taking heavy machine gun and RPG fire, and an entire battalion was waiting on us to clear an area where we tried to blow the IED. I had to (literally) run and then crawl to it and place another charge on it and blow it in place, after we had already cut the wires from the first time of course. Got written up for a bronze star with a V, got a NAM with a V instead. Yes I have documentation and a few pics to back this up. I am not saying this to sound like a billy bad ass, but I have a pretty vast experience with explosives and pros/cons to disarming them. This happened almost exactly 6 years ago and this is the first time I have spoken of it here. It just annoys me when people with little to no experience make ignorant comments like they could have done better and know better than the people there trained to do it. The media is king of this, as we have seen recently.

I assume its driving while black.

Funny, my wife has been pulled over twice in her life time, no tickets. While driving black. While I have been pulled over too many for me to know, although not in a long time. Received many tickets and my license suspended twice, while driving white. 4 tickets within two weeks once even. Know what the difference was? I was driving like a jackass and breaking the law in various ways. She was not. It's not just black and white, stop being so dense.

First time anyone has asked me to compare bodies on the internet. :wub:

oh and dont think about my body when you sex your wife. It will be weird

Again you pop smoke and insult.

You made a statement, you were asked to clarify. The other poster was correct, that is how posting on forums generally works. He asked what does "acting white" mean, since you said it. You did not explain and instead insulted. I said you said the same thing about my wife, you denied it and insulted me. I gave you proof that you indeed say it, yet you ignore it and insult again. You profiled someone by where they live, calling them fat. Yet you call people out if they profile people, calling them racist and bigots. Thats hypocritical of you, but not uncommon. You called someone fat because of where they live, I stated that I too live in the same area and asked you to put up or shut up. Instead you avoid and insult again. Don't say things if you aren't going to back them up, pretty common sense.

The FACTS are, you made racist comments, and didn't clarify. Because there is no justification for what you said. Instead of trying to explain all you do is deny and insult. When proven that you lied, you again deny and insult.

Yeah yeah, long multi person post. I didn't read it all last night and just did.
 

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so he had to insert bullets into the rifle 1 at a time?
You're clueless about the SK. Just open Mag and drop ten rounds in. It's faster then using stripper clip which usually binds up.
 
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norseamd

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non-removable clip?
so he had to insert bullets into the rifle 1 at a time?

imagine how many could have been hurt if it was an ar-15, 30round mag (ie: removable).


btw- how many shots did he fire from this WWII rifle?
and the only people he hit in a crowd of thousands were cops?!

damn accurate!
um.. how far away was he?

No, he could reload using stripper clips, which are not that much slower than changing removable magazines.
 

Z15CAM

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If you look at the front sight of an SK there's a MOA stamping "1" indicates a 1" group at 100 yards and a "2' indicates a 2 to 4 inch group - Buy the one stamped "1". I'm referring to the Russian models .

I've Cop friend but sadly over the years I've lost my trust in Cops and do my best to stay away from them. I've learn over the years there more corrupt Cops then there are trusting Cops and they are carrying guns.
 
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shady28

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non-removable clip?
so he had to insert bullets into the rifle 1 at a time?

imagine how many could have been hurt if it was an ar-15, 30round mag (ie: removable).


btw- how many shots did he fire from this WWII rifle?
and the only people he hit in a crowd of thousands were cops?!

damn accurate!
um.. how far away was he?

He was specifically targeting cops and white people, from his own words.

Unless it was modified, just 10 rounds.

However, this gun can be loaded using a 'clip' as opposed to pre-loading a magazine. It only takes a few seconds to reload it if you use a clip.
 

shady28

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I'm thinking if it was modified, the media would be all over it.

No pictures, just police sources.

Anyway, clip or mag doesn't really matter.

This is how long it takes to reload the 10 rounds on an unmodified SKS using a clip. About 6.5s total in this gif :

 

Jhhnn

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He was specifically targeting cops and white people, from his own words.

Unless it was modified, just 10 rounds.

However, this gun can be loaded using a 'clip' as opposed to pre-loading a magazine. It only takes a few seconds to reload it if you use a clip.

So an AR pattern carbine needs to be reloaded 1/3 as often with faster fumble free magazines. It just works much better when you're trying to kill a lot of people in a short period of time.

America wouldn't be the same if we didn't have nut cases with guns & civilian massacres. For reasons I don't understand it's apparently important for them to have a lot of firepower so that everybody else can have it too even though they have no real use for it other than as a toy.
 

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The narrative is to ban AR15's, high cap mags, maximum of 10 rounds, this is a top fed, no magazine, 10 rounds, not black, no pistol grip, it doesn't fit the narrative, we won't hear much more about it.

No worries, we have multiple murders every 20 days or so, the drumbeat will get louder.
 

Jhhnn

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No pictures, just police sources.

Anyway, clip or mag doesn't really matter.

This is how long it takes to reload the 10 rounds on an unmodified SKS using a clip. About 6.5s total in this gif :


Gawd. Apparently it does matter or modern military firearms wouldn't use drop magazines.
 

Ackmed

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That article is full of ignorance and idiots. It appears to be a good shoot, claiming the cops just drove up and shot him appears to be the furthest thing from the truth. I am sure we will find out more facts from it. Once again though, white male shot and killed by police without a gun barely a week ago doesn't get all the press and hate this gets where someone had a gun and pointed it at an officer.

“It’s like we got a target on our back even if we innocent, it hurts. You don’t even want to walk outside your house no more. But to all the young black men and young black women out there, all black people do something positive.”

Yet they are far more likely to die by someone who looks just like them rather than police. The target they are claiming that is on their back, is put there by themselves.
 

norseamd

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Gawd. Apparently it does matter or modern military firearms wouldn't use drop magazines.

You are right, it makes a difference of several whole seconds. It still is not that time consuming to reload a gun with a stripper clip.
 
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LegendKiller

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That article is full of ignorance and idiots. It appears to be a good shoot, claiming the cops just drove up and shot him appears to be the furthest thing from the truth. I am sure we will find out more facts from it. Once again though, white male shot and killed by police without a gun barely a week ago doesn't get all the press and hate this gets where someone had a gun and pointed it at an officer.



Yet they are far more likely to die by someone who looks just like them rather than police. The target they are claiming that is on their back, is put there by themselves.

And this is the problem with relying on Castile's girlfriend for anything at this point. It was useless relying on anybody related to Trayvon or Brown also. Dorian Johnson conflicted many times.

Lavish's statements have already been conflicting several times.

This whole thing is a media/left created narrative. It's pathetic.
 

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non-removable clip?
so he had to insert bullets into the rifle 1 at a time?

imagine how many could have been hurt if it was an ar-15, 30round mag (ie: removable).


btw- how many shots did he fire from this WWII rifle?
and the only people he hit in a crowd of thousands were cops?!

damn accurate!
um.. how far away was he?

You realize though that ammunition for a AR-15 is more likely to wound than to kill right than 7.62 round SK? That the ammunition for it was designed by DOD from the outset to cause more wounding shots than fatal shots as compared to the 7.62 rounds used in a SK. So that being said you may have actually had a few of those officers survive if their murderer had chosen a AR but I suspect that lunatic choose the SK for the reason above, i.e. its ammunition being more likely to cause fatalities.

Link: The video someone posted earlier points to this fact.

https://youtu.be/rvXTu8Bu9Ho?t=158
 
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