BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

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Perknose

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The optimal outcome is to use a water jet disruptor to disable the bomb without detonating it.

I know it would have been asking a lot of all the officers involved, and that there were practical, political and social considerations that came to bear, but I would have liked to see them at least try to take this perp alive, so that he could have been interrogated.

You glean a lot less intelligence from a corpse.
 

Knowing

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I don't think water jets were feasible. The bomb was used to detonate a suspected bomb.

I'm not going to pass judgement prematurely, but I'm eager to hear the justification from the source.

I know it would have been asking a lot of all the officers involved, and that there were practical, political and social considerations that came to bear, but I would have liked to see them at least try to take this perp alive, so that he could have been interrogated.

You glean a lot less intelligence from a corpse.

Because this.
 

michal1980

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Along with many other true patriots of the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution.


another person willing to take away freedoms form all Americans, because of the actions of criminals.

This is grade school logic.

Not surprising coming from the left.
 

norseamd

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I know it would have been asking a lot of all the officers involved, and that there were practical, political and social considerations that came to bear, but I would have liked to see them at least try to take this perp alive, so that he could have been interrogated.

You glean a lot less intelligence from a corpse.

They could have replaced that bomb with some type of tranquilizer gas instead. Had just thought of that earlier while watching the Dallas PD Chief say they did not know of any other options that would not have exposed their officers to greater danger.
 

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Sounded like the suspected bomb was near the shooter

Great. I'm pleased to see we both agree that there was no intention of using a bomb-equipped drone to do anything about the bomb and it was entirely used to kill the shooter.

My entire point was that stating the bomb-equipped drone was there for the bomb is deceptive. Maybe it was equipped to disarm a bomb without blowing it up, maybe it wasn't - all that really matters in the end is the result of the decisions made by the operators, and in this case there are a lot of questions that need to be answered.
 

wetech

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I don't think water jets were feasible. The bomb was used to detonate a suspected bomb.

Actually, the bomb was used to detonate a suspect.

He was cornered in a standoff with the police and was still shooting at them. They sent in a robot with a bomb on its arm and blew it up to neutralize him.
 

dainthomas

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another person willing to take away freedoms form all Americans, because of the actions of criminals.

This is grade school logic.

Not surprising coming from the left.

Is rising up against the government not the explicit reason 2nd amendment supporters give for its existence? What do you think that involves?
 

Phynaz

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Why aren't gun nutters praising this? Isn't the BLM movement about a tyrannical or oppressive government and the 2nd amendment being necessary to keep government in check? I guess because it's black people being oppressed and its black people who are fighting back, its not the same thing and gun nutters don't care. Where is the NRA? When can we expect to see them on tv saying only a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun?

I do find it extremely hypocritical that the few posters here who gobble trumps c**k have already laid blame on the left and aren't blaming this on mental health like they do every other shooting.

God, you're a blathering idiot.
 

norseamd

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Your first link reads like a nutter site.

The second link basically says they pulled him over because he had a wide nose. Sounds legit.

This.

Would need a better explanation of the social media posts, at least some of them are more than a few years old, and he may have left that life.
 

SheHateMe

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So why was that post the most racist in the thread?

Because people don't like it when minorities don't have nice things to say. It automatically makes us racist. Even though they are using the word incorrectly


I'm fed up and I'm tired. So, I will speak freely. They can use the "R" word on me if they want. A guy told me I had a low IQ yesterday. I just laugh and keep it moving.
 

Artdeco

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They could have replaced that bomb with some type of tranquilizer gas instead. Had just thought of that earlier while watching the Dallas PD Chief say they did not know of any other options that would not have exposed their officers to greater danger.

I'm unaware of the DPD having tranquilizer gas in their arsenal, you have personal knowledge of their possession of tranquilizer gas, Norse? Or are you just talking out of your ass about things you have absolutely no knowledge of?
 
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Great. I'm pleased to see we both agree that there was no intention of using a bomb-equipped drone to do anything about the bomb and it was entirely used to kill the shooter.

My entire point was that stating the bomb-equipped drone was there for the bomb is deceptive. Maybe it was equipped to disarm a bomb without blowing it up, maybe it wasn't - all that really matters in the end is the result of the decisions made by the operators, and in this case there are a lot of questions that need to be answered.

I'm confused.
The way I heard it sounded like the shooter was claiming he placed bombs near him so the police detonated them. I'm not a bomb removal expert but I can imagine deploying a water cannon or a bomb diffusing drone next to a heavily armed guy trying to prevent that would be impractical. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll have to wait for more info.
 

Phynaz

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Gun free zones are not to blame.
Guns are not to blame.
Black people are not to blame.
White people are not to blame.
Asians are not to blame.
Hispanics are not to blame.
Inuits are not to blame.
The left are not to blame.
The right are not to blame.

People who act violently in expression of fear, anger and hatred are to blame.

Thank you
 

LegendKiller

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Your first link reads like a nutter site. But if this is one of your go to sites it would help explain some of your posting here.

The second link basically says they pulled him over because he had a wide nose. Sounds legit.
As opposed to what? The talk from his girlfriend only? A governor that is looking to score points?

How many times have we had this happen now where we take shitty eyewitness reports that have an obvious slant and utterly dismiss counter evidence? Like how tm was a great kid until you found out he was a druggy fighter burglar who was punted from school. When that stuff came out it was only initially from nutter sites too. Mainly because msm has their agenda.

Then what about brown. Hands up dont shoot? Running away? Good kid? Gentle giant that had just assaulted and robbed? When all of the reality broke it was from nutter sites. They were the only ones who analyzed it fairly. You fools took eyewitness reports from msm bullshit and ran with it.

Who knows, maybe this guy was squeaky clean, maybe not. But dont dismiss sites showing contrary info just because you can.
 

Knowing

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I'm unaware of the DPD having tranquilizer gas in their arsenal, you have personal knowledge of their possession of tranquilizer gas, Norse? Or are you just talking out of your ass about things you have absolutely no knowledge of?

With respect, I believe the core of norsemd's argument is attempting any available non-lethal means before destructive lethal means are employed.
 
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I'm unaware of the DPD having tranquilizer gas in their arsenal, you have personal knowledge of their possession of tranquilizer gas, Norse? Or are you just talking out of your ass about things you have absolutely no knowledge of?

I'm unaware of any tranquilizer gas that works reliably and instantly. Didn't Russia try something like that with their theater terrorists?
 

norseamd

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I'm unaware of the DPD having tranquilizer gas in their arsenal, you have personal knowledge of their possession of tranquilizer gas, Norse? Or are you just talking out of your ass about things you have absolutely no knowledge of?

And no, it is not my fault if the Dallas PD does not have tranquilizers or sedative gas in their arsenal. It might not be the most essential item to have in their arsenal, but it is one less option available to them, especially since he did not have any hostages around him that could have been detrimentally affected by attempts to knock out the shooter with sedative gas.
 
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