BLM: Falcon Heights police fatally shot man

[Doc Savage Fan]

I wasn't there and I don't have any evidence whatsoever.

White cop, black victim...that's all the evidence you need. /s

And I'm in no way supporting this cops actions. My sarcastic comment is directed towards the selective outrage of the knee-jerk morons among us who feed on ANY incident which may involve even the slightest possibility of racism.

 

[SheHateMe]

Maybe it needs to be a black cop and a white victim.

Watch how quick yall flip the script.


So easy to look down on minorities and call them morons for being upset about stuff from your Ivory tower. But when stuff happens to you, you guys start talking about how you're persecuted in America..... because, clearly, you have it so bad.


sm625's comment is really the icing on the cake. Some of you guys on this board have no problems about stating how you REALLY feel.

 

[umbrella39]

The occifer is just doing his part to make sure the widow gets on welfare. Gotta increase those democrat voter rolls somehow.

Out the line. You really need to grow the fuck up.

 

[LookBehindYou]

Does anyone know about the backgrounds of the cops that are doing these murders? Whether it's these past two, or Mike Brown or Eric Gardner, I am curious as to whether they have been overseas in the military in the last ten years. I have to wonder that it's a combination of white racist cops and their past experience in the military and coming back here treating the streets of the US as their own personal warzone. Over there everybody is the enemy trying to kill you, and many people develop racist attitudes towards muslims that has to carry back over here, just replace muslims with blacks. There is no de-escalation or anything, they're treating everyone and every possible threat as a terrorist/enemy combatant. I might be totally wrong, but would love to see if there were any military background with the killers.

 

[SheHateMe]

Background: Too scared to do anything other than shoot.

There is no such thing as deescalation when you are dealing with minorities. deescalation is only for white people.

 

[glenn1]

Maybe it needs to be a black cop and a white victim.

Watch how quick yall flip the script.


So easy to look down on minorities and call them morons for being upset about stuff from your Ivory tower. But when stuff happens to you, you guys start talking about how you're persecuted in America..... because, clearly, you have it so bad.


sm625's comment is really the icing on the cake. Some of you guys on this board have no problems about stating how you REALLY feel.

That happened last year where black cops shot a white man and his 6 year old autistic son. Feel free to look through the ATPN thread about it but it certainly didn't seem to "flip the script" there.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Does anyone know about the backgrounds of the cops that are doing these murders? Whether it's these past two, or Mike Brown or Eric Gardner, I am curious as to whether they have been overseas in the military in the last ten years. I have to wonder that it's a combination of white racist cops and their past experience in the military and coming back here treating the streets of the US as their own personal warzone. Over there everybody is the enemy trying to kill you, and many people develop racist attitudes towards muslims that has to carry back over here, just replace muslims with blacks. There is no de-escalation or anything, they're treating everyone and every possible threat as a terrorist/enemy combatant. I might be totally wrong, but would love to see if there were any military background with the killers.

I know a guy who became a cop in the early 90s. He did it the old school way, volunteered time, auxiliary duty, some schooling, then became a full time cop. I also know a retired Police chief from my city.
They both agree too many former military guys are becoming officers and its changing what Police work is. They say the new guys have brought more professionalism and fewer scams like sleeping in their car in a parking lot but they also say these guys aren't as good at compromise or de-escalating situations.

 

[LookBehindYou]

Background: Too scared to do anything other than shoot.

There is no such thing as deescalation when you are dealing with minorities. deescalation is only for white people.

Which is extremely fucking frustrating. I've sat on the sidelines for far too long watching these things play out. But as a white person (or even a black person), what the fuck do we do to stop it? It seems like all of the movements, protests and everything else just fall on deaf ears and it keeps happening.

 

[SheHateMe]

It falls on deaf ears because in the grand scheme of things....nobody cares. The jury is going to find this cop not guilty and it will just be another day.

Trying to protest or get involved with any sort of activism just makes people hate you even more. I don't agree with a lot of the stuff BLM does, but its the only movement I've seen in a while that's trying to be consistent with speaking out....even if it has some fringe groups of crazy people within the movement that don't make them look good as a collective.

 

[glenn1]

Which is extremely fucking frustrating. I've sat on the sidelines for far too long watching these things play out. But as a white person (or even a black person), what the fuck do we do to stop it? It seems like all of the movements, protests and everything else just fall on deaf ears and it keeps happening.

Chris Rock has some ideas that might help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU

 

[umbrella39]

Dude this comment is completely uncalled for, inappropriate and vile you should delete it.
Seriously think about a 7 year old watching his/her Father shot by the Police for nothing. Literally nothing. You use this as an opportunity to spout partisan crap.

Indeed but more... purposely misspelling "occifer"... "welfare" .... It goes a little farther than just being a partisan tool.

 

[purbeast0]

Obviously the cop was scared of the black dude. You can hear him whining even as he's pointing a gun at the gun while he's bleeding out.

Once they detain the girlfriend, you still hear him in the back flipping out.


This guy had no record, he had a license to carry and from all appearances, he was a good dude with a legit job. He had ZERO reason to try and pull his gun on a cop (with a 7 year old in the back seat) during a traffic stop for a tail light. I know some people are foaming at the mouth for an opportunity to blame him for being killed. I don't see it happening. The cop messed up.

what the fuck are you even talking about? where in this thread are you seeing people doing that? you jump to more conclusions on the opposite end of the spectrum than most people do on their end.

your comments are just as painful to read in these threads are the cop apologists and racists in other threads.

 

[SheHateMe]

what the fuck are you even talking about? where in this thread are you seeing people doing that? you jump to more conclusions on the opposite end of the spectrum than most people do on their end.

your comments are just as painful to read in these threads are the cop apologists and racists in other threads.

You assume I'm only talking about the small world that is Anandtech. I'm talking about everyone who has been exposed to this story.


I don't care how "painful" it is for you to read what I have to say. Again, you want me to be quiet while the rest of you can speak freely.

 

[Knowing]

This guy had no record, he had a license to carry and from all appearances, he was a good dude with a legit job. He had ZERO reason to try and pull his gun on a cop (with a 7 year old in the back seat) during a traffic stop for a tail light. I know some people are foaming at the mouth for an opportunity to blame him for being killed. I don't see it happening.

This.

White cop, black victim

I have read but not confirmed that the officer was Asian.

I believe the fact that the officer knew the deceased was armed had more to do with it than race. The apparent fact of the matter was that his paperwork was in order and given the circumstances (long term gainful employment, 2 passengers incl. a child in the car, permit for the weapon) it was highly unlikely that he was an actual threat to the officer. I don't want the deceased to be blamed for the end result and I sincerely hope that he acted to the letter of the law and the officer's instructions. Incidentally, the fine for the first offense of not telling an officer that you're a legal CCP shall not exceed $25.

These are the fruits of ignoring the escalations that have accompanied the militarization of the police.

 

[john3850]

I believe the correct thing to do in any traffic stop involving a cc permit is to leave your hands on the wheel.
Then tell the police officer you have a cc permit and ask the officer how he wants to proceed with the permit first.
I feel very bad for his family.

 

[Brovane]

Tips When Stopped By Police and Carrying a Firearm

You have to be very careful when you are carrying and stopped by a officer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-nePQuT-s

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Maybe it needs to be a black cop and a white victim.

Watch how quick yall flip the script.

Nope. If a cop kills someone without cause...I'm outraged regardless of the cop's or victim's skin color. In my opinion, selective outage based on skin color is the game of race baiters and those hellbent an advancing a divisive agenda.

So easy to look down on minorities and call them morons for being upset about stuff from your Ivory tower. But when stuff happens to you, you guys start talking about how you're persecuted in America..... because, clearly, you have it so bad.

I'm not looking down on minorities...only a moron would arrive at such a simpleminded conclusion. And who is this "you guys" you speak of? Whitey?

sm625's comment is really the icing on the cake. Some of you guys on this board have no problems about stating how you REALLY feel.

I didn't read sm625's comment (I'll do so in a minute)...but you seem think that it somehow represents my opinion and that of these "you guys" you speak of. Again, are you talking about "whitey" here? Let's be honest about how YOU really feel shall we?

 

[Sunburn74]

Not the first time. Remember Levar Jones? The unarmed black man shot by cop after traffic stop. Cop ordered him to get ID. He complies and cop shoots him.

So here are the new rules for being black and police interactions. Or at least what seems to be happening.

Fail to comply, shot
Comply, shot
Exercise your constitutional rights, shot.
Legally purchase firearm, shot
Legally carry gun, shot
Carry toy gun, shot

I have to say I completely agree. I would throw in simply walk out of your apartment when a cop is around and get shot as well (akai gurley in new York). Any reasonable person should be able to see there is something deep and institutionally wrong here with our system of law enforcement. Such wanton disregard for life and law would never be tolerated in other fields.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Wow, this happened only a few miles from where I work. This is pretty sad. I don't seen any reason why he was shot once, let alone 4 times... Some of these shootings in the past were justified, but I don't see how this one could be justified. I bet the PD will spin this somehow. This is why we need body cams on all police officers at all times.

While we don't know the whole story, it is very unlikely that a father, who has a stable job, a conceal and carry permit, a clean record would do anything to jeopardize his life or the safety of his family. I also can't believe a cop shot into a car with child and another person... I just can't see any way this could be justified.

 

[purbeast0]

You assume I'm only talking about the small world that is Anandtech. I'm talking about everyone who has been exposed to this story.


I don't care how "painful" it is for you to read what I have to say. Again, you want me to be quiet while the rest of you can speak freely.

who is the bold entailing? everybody else in the world except you?

you should try reading what i say too. i never said i wanted you to be quiet. but just like with your opinion of what happens in any of these cases, you just jump to conclusions without caring about what actually happened.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

who is the bold entailing? everybody else in the world except you?

you should try reading what i say too. i never said i wanted you to be quiet. but just like with your opinion of what happens in any of these cases, you just jump to conclusions without caring about what actually happened.

It's becoming quite clear what SheHateMe is all about.

 

[Jaskalas]

Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

"One of the things they looked at is what they called threat perception failure. The officer believed that the person was armed and it turned out not to be the case. And these failures were more likely to occur when the subject was black [even if the officers were themselves black or Latino].

Even a black officer is more likely to shoot a black man. So the issue is not racism, but something more inherent. Hell, it could simply be the contrast of pasty white skin helps others read a situation. It could be reading news reports of crime statistics. It could be an inferiority complex when facing bigger, stronger men. Could be black men know officers are more likely to shoot them, so there's a sense of tension in the air. Body language is different, etc.

Perhaps we could investigate and statistically narrow it down to a root cause. It would be useful if we, as a society, knew the answer to the question of why. Then we could find a specific solution to a specific problem.

Until we do that however, we can certainly review police procedures and come up with changes that help keep everyone safe and less trigger happy. There's no reason to storm homes guns blazing. Or to kill a man because he moved. We are human, and human reactions must be taken into account when we plan to reduce the risk to others.

 

[dank69]

It's becoming quite clear what SheHateMe is all about.

Maybe to people that assume when she is talking about white racists she is really talking about all white people.

 

[buckshot24]

So easy to look down on minorities and call them morons for being upset about stuff from your Ivory tower. But when stuff happens to you, you guys start talking about how you're persecuted in America..... because, clearly, you have it so bad.

Quit crying racism whenever something bad happens to black people then.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's becoming quite clear what SheHateMe is all about.

Yep. That kind of racist perspective is exactly why we can't work towards resolving some very real issues. Instead of jumping to conclusions, making everything about race and marginalizing people's perspective based on their race, it would be a lot more powerful and constructive to look at the actual issues.