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Snowlock

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Originally posted by: chuckyH
I quit going to block buster when they started sending me notices in the mail for my $3 late charge that I should pay up.

thats about the same time I quit going. It just seems a bit inappropriate to threaten people over $2 or so just because they haven't rented from you in the past 3 weeks. Oh no! I'm gonna skip town with the $2 I owe you. Go buy myself drugs and loose women.
Eh, no real point in complaining, they already lost me over the theats for $2. The main company is run by religeous zealots too, thats almost enough to make me not go back ever.
 

Dantzig

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Originally posted by: Snowlock
Originally posted by: chuckyH
I quit going to block buster when they started sending me notices in the mail for my $3 late charge that I should pay up.

thats about the same time I quit going. It just seems a bit inappropriate to threaten people over $2 or so just because they haven't rented from you in the past 3 weeks. Oh no! I'm gonna skip town with the $2 I owe you. Go buy myself drugs and loose women.
Eh, no real point in complaining, they already lost me over the theats for $2. The main company is run by religeous zealots too, thats almost enough to make me not go back ever.

They had a collection agency after me once because one of their employees failed to scan in a movie that I returned (on time). I didn't rent anything for a few weeks after returning that movie, and I guess no one else rented that movie, so they didn't catch their mistake. Out of the blue, got a letter from Blockbuster and started receiving phone calls about the >$60 that I owed them! So I went back to the store, found the movie on the shelf since they only stocked one copy and took it to the front with the letter. Problem solved, but I avoid Blockbuster like the plague now.
 

Chebago

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Originally posted by: wetcat007
cant people just return them on time? it's not that hard...

if you rent one of the hot new releases, the return time is noon the next day, it is actually quite difficult to return a movie you rented at 11pm the previous day before noon the next day...I'm sure they changed the return time from midnight to noon because of this. Anyway, I'm actually on the $25 for 2 movie plan and don't think I could live without it, love movies, rent them all the time and alot of times we have the urge to rent a movie around 11pm or so, we can just run down to bluckbuster and grab something and have it that instant, it's great...plus, I move alot, being a student and all, I would hate to have to keep changing my address at Netflix etc.. Heck, I'm not even sure what my address is right now. But Netflix has a great selection, my local blockbuster's selection kinda sucks.
 

Nick5324

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Originally posted by: Spudd
I stopped renting from them more than a year ago after I got sick of them charging me bogus late fees when I dropped the movies off through the window drop off/chute thing. I'd drop it off the day before it was due, and they'd let it sit there I guess until it was "late" then scan it. I called them on it the second time, and they admitted there "might have been a mistake." Mistake my azz.

I had the same problem, except i took it in and handed it to an employee. I rented a game last summer, and it was due by noon on Wed. I took it back Tuesday afternoon (yes, the day before, not almost a week late). Two weeks later, i get a post card that says i owe them $6.xx in late fees for that game. I tore up the card, and haven't been back since.
 

Hawkgirl

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Has anyone tried the Blockbuster online rental thing? I currently have an account with Netflix and I'm pissed that they raised their prices. Their service isn't worth the price raise.
 
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cool, we have 2 here in town, the 1 I used to rent from for a couple of years, decided a little over a year ago that I never returned a movie, and that I was supposed to pay for it. strange thing was it was some old movie I've never heard of (nor have ever rented), when I found out what the story line was, it was something I'd never rent anyway . so now I've been having to drive an extra 15 minutes to rent movies from the other blockbuster downtown.
 

balazer

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Originally posted by: xarmian
The late fees that are being <b>voided</b> are arbitrary not because they are pulled out of the CEO's chute, but rather because they have no true value to the Blockbuster corporation. I'm not talking about the late fee that is accumulated by some poor guy who couldn't make it to drop off the film the day it was due because his son was sick and therefore brought it the next day and paid his $4.. I'm talking about the majority of these $50 or $100 voids, for people who were never planning to go back to blockbuster, never planning to pay the fee, and never planning to rent again. Blockbuster would never have seen a <b>cent</b> from those people.. By having this promotion, they therefore at least collect $4 extra for the new rental, and maybe earn back a customer, which means more rentals, and maybe more late fees, but those, again, are arbitrary if never planning to be paid.
It's true that a lot of the large fines people accumulate on their Blockbuster acocunts would never be paid anyway, because the renter just decides never to go back. But it's false to say that the fines are arbitrary, and don't have any bearing on Blockbuster's costs. Yes, they have a whole wall of "Bad Santa"s, but they paid for every one of those copies, and they cost a lot more than $17 each. If a person hadn't left his or her copy under the couch for three weeks, Blockbuster could have rented that copy to three more people, or not bought so many copies in the first place.

That said, I think the fines are higher than they should be. With Blockbuster's poor selection, I use Netflix and Cinflix exclusively now. (that is, for the titles I can't get in HDTV from satellite)
 

VirtualLarry

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I think that the biggest problem with Blockbuster's "late fees", aren't that they are of an arbitrarily-decided amount (because they aren't, they are based on their amortized opportunity costs from losing additional rentals of that title, especially if it's a popular title in high demand at the time, plus administrative/billing overhead, plus profits), but that they are seemingly applied arbitrarily to new-release movies returned "on time", generally through the drop-slot in the front of the store because that is the most convenient and expedient method for the customer to return them by, without having to go inside and wait in a line. The problem is, the people working there, generally don't get around to scanning the returned titles by the time the computer considers the title to be "late", and/or they don't scan them correctly at all, and mishaps like those mentioned in this thread happen, people who properly returned a title, get bad credit and postcards in the mail denoting a huge late fee that enever should have happened.

As for the "customers", that pay $4 to rent a new-release movie, and then just simply *keep it* - that's just outright theft, and I would hope that BB would throw the book at them, legally speaking. However, it can be difficult to seperate the two cases, especially with less-than-perfect record-keeping on the part of BB. A lot of people don't realize, that the movies that BB (or any other rental store) buys to rent out, are in fact different versions (SKUs, not releases necessarily), that cost quite a bit more money than the ones sold for individual private retail purchase and viewing. This is because BB makes money off of renting the movies, so the movie's copyright owners have a right to charge more for their published products that are going to be "publically exhibited" or publically rented. (This is also why there were a few video games that were "Blockbuster exclusive" rental-only titles, never released for retail purchase. I have a few of these in my collection, I bought them from BB when they sold them as pre-owned. )

It's also why you can't (legally) just buy a bunch of cheap DVDs from the clearance pile at WalMart and start renting them out, or start a commercial LAN-party gaming center, with just retail-purchased copies of the games. Very few people realize that.

So, anyways, when someone "steals" a rental movie from BB, they are costing them a bit more than just the average $20 retail customer purchase-price of most DVDs.
 

treasurehunter

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
So, anyways, when someone "steals" a rental movie from BB, they are costing them a bit more than just the average $20 retail customer purchase-price of most DVDs.

Not that I'd ever advocate stealing (obviously) but I'm a bit confused by the logic of this statement. I was actually aware that the movie license fees Blockbuster pays are more than $20 per DVD (I would have thought most people know this but anyhow). However, the price is not indicative of the metallic substance used to make the DVD but the license of the DVD itself. Thus, if a Blockbuster DVD were to be lost, stolen, scratched, etc., I would imagine that Blockbuster could declare the item lost and would be issued a replacement disc for the same license number of the lost disc (at a material cost for the disc--prob $2 or so). After all, it's not like the stolen disc magically retains its ability to be legally used for public viewing--that ability is simply a consequence of it having a valid license (which is lost when it's stolen). So while Blockbuster pays a lot for each original disc it obtains, I can not imagine that it pays that amount also for replacement discs. . . .
 

balazer

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I think the rental stores can get a reasonably priced replacement for a damaged disk. But if they could get low-cost replacements for lost discs, who's going to stop them from being dishonest? Obviously there's no way to prevent this dishonesty. I'm willing to bet that there is no such thing as a low-cost replacement for lost discs.
 

gt07

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Worked a BB a few years ago (while in HS). I'll say that I worked in a very wealthy area and realized that people are incredibly irresponsible. Granted some people may have had A bad experience but it was no doubt a mistake. When you have thousands of movies to scan in, occasionally one will slip by and if you rent a lot eventually you'll have it happen to you. The employees there don't let movies sit around until after noon, that's FOR SURE!!! It's corporate policy at least recently that they scan the movies in at 10am, 11, 12, 12:30. What is a random employee benefitting by letting your movie sit out until after the late time? nothing! most of the time, he/she doesn't give a rats ass about how much the company makes, so long as they get their paycheck weekly. A little secret, the late time is really 2pm. so for those of you who use the excuse "i may have dropped it off at like 12:05" is immediately considered a blatent liar.

The whole issue is the trust in the public. 95% of the time, a late fee is valid. we feel sorry for the people are wrongfully charged b/c of errors and many stores do everything they can to prevent mistakes. it's all the people with notoriously awful histories where every other movie is late and then they start yelling at the employees for being "stupid" and not being able to scan in their movies.

I just hope people can be reasonably nice to the employees there as the sometimes hostile attitudes you face are a direct result of being treated like crap by approx 1 in every 20 customers and called worthless, etc. if you have a good return record and you have 1 random late fee that really was BB fault, be civil with the employess, talk to the manager (ask for him/her NICELY, or you'll be treated badly) and usually you'll have it removed if you are a good customer.

If you have 2 total rentals on your history and 1 is late and you come in screaming demanding for it to be removed, i can assure you that it's going nowhere!
 

TrentSteel

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I didn't even think it was possible to rack up fines at Blockbuster anymore, since they always charge the late fees to my credit card automatically after about two or three weeks. Of course they always send a threatening letter first. Is it not like this with everybody?

So you actually need to go to Blockbuster to take advantage of this "deal"? Ugh...
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: treasurehunter
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
So, anyways, when someone "steals" a rental movie from BB, they are costing them a bit more than just the average $20 retail customer purchase-price of most DVDs.

Not that I'd ever advocate stealing (obviously) but I'm a bit confused by the logic of this statement. I was actually aware that the movie license fees Blockbuster pays are more than $20 per DVD (I would have thought most people know this but anyhow). However, the price is not indicative of the metallic substance used to make the DVD but the license of the DVD itself. Thus, if a Blockbuster DVD were to be lost, stolen, scratched, etc., I would imagine that Blockbuster could declare the item lost and would be issued a replacement disc for the same license number of the lost disc (at a material cost for the disc--prob $2 or so). After all, it's not like the stolen disc magically retains its ability to be legally used for public viewing--that ability is simply a consequence of it having a valid license (which is lost when it's stolen). So while Blockbuster pays a lot for each original disc it obtains, I can not imagine that it pays that amount also for replacement discs. . . .

Well, I certainly can't say that, and I doubt that you can either. I would be interested in what really happens in those circumstances, but these are DVD movies we are talking about, not software licenses. Also, considering that probably a certain sizable percentage of the discs get damaged due to rental use, I somehow doubt that their actual movie distributors will simply give them new copies for the simple cost of production, if they are "lost". It would be too easy (again, in my opinion, not in any way based on proven fact), for them to simply declare discs that were too damaged to rent, as "lost", and then recieve new ones from their distrib. for the nominal cost of physical mfg.

Considering the volume that BB must deal in, in terms of new-release material, it's quite possible that they get a deal one way or the other, maybe by getting a few extra copies thrown in, in case some do get lost or destroyed. At least in the OEM bulk computer component biz, that's usually how it works. I would be curious for some concrete info about this all from someone in the actual rental biz.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: wetcat007
cant people just return them on time? it's not that hard...

In my experience, they were on time, but not scanned in immediately... Got a call from them about a $15 late fee, told them to check, they were there on time. She apologized and said it wasn't a problem and she'd take care of it. Then I received a bill - called them again. Then a bill from collections... Refused to pay and decided I wouldn't go back.

Although... I'm considering it now for their unlimited dvd's offer (if that's still going on)
 

gorcorps

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Don't know about where you guys are, but here in CO they got the same deal netflix has w/ no late fees and unlimited rentals. For 20/month you can have out 2 movies at a time, have them as long as you want, and trade them in for others when you're done. For 25/month you can get 3 at a time. Okay, i'm not positive about those prices, but i know theyre around there. And theres a gamers pass too. This would be worth it if they had a better selection, so you quickly run out of movies to watch.
 

Kelemvor

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Only time I ever rent a movie is if I get a gift certificate for it that I can't turn in for cash. I wish BluckBuster would just go out of business. They just keep jackming up their prices and it's such a scam.
 

Tsunami982

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i think this is BS... the three blockbusters ive used in the last couple years send you straight to the creditor for any late fee over 5 bucks. FIVE FREAKING BUCKS! so needless to say there arent many outstanding late fees after you get a letter from a creditor.
 

straubs

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I just rented a gamecube cabe from BB last night. It cost me $6.25. WTF is that? $6.25 for ONE game? I won't be renting another game in a long time from BB!
 

dirtrat

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Originally posted by: straubs
I just rented a gamecube cabe from BB last night. It cost me $6.25. WTF is that? $6.25 for ONE game? I won't be renting another game in a long time from BB!

 

dirtrat

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Go to Hollywood video and you will pay the same amount! So what are you going to do? Game rentals are expensive.


Originally posted by: straubs
I just rented a gamecube cabe from BB last night. It cost me $6.25. WTF is that? $6.25 for ONE game? I won't be renting another game in a long time from BB!

 

Phoenix

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Okay, after reading this entire thread I just have to throw my 2-cents in.

1) Extended Viewing Fees - They are not an abitrary number, it is the same price that you paid to rent the movie per cycle (cycle is defined as whatever the viewing period was for that movie at the time it was rented). People should read the membership forms that they sign, its there in blue and white. If you dont agree with the terms, DON'T SIGN IT.

2) 12-Noon due times - If you dont like it, return it the night before. That would keep your movie on time, and you would be following the OLD policy of all rentals due by midnight the next day.

3) Not all blockbusters are corporate owned stores, many are franchise stores. Franchise stores do not have to follow all the policies of the corporate owned stores. Corporate stores are held to a much different standard then franchise stores. I actually had the opportunity to see a franchise store as all the stores in my area are corporate. It was like a night and day difference, the corporate stores I see and use are far cleaner, and more organized, and more stocked with product then the franchise store i saw.

4) Yes, Blockbuster exists to make money. There isn't a cross on the top of their buildings. Thats a fact. But they dont purposely go and select specific movies from specific people and just not check them in.

5) I can't begin to tell you how many incidents I've been witness too, where a blockbuster employee, whether it be a customer service rep, a shift manager, assistant store manager, or even the store manager have been verbally abused over a balance of $4 before they could even get a word in. If people would calmly talked to them maybe just maybe they would be much nicer when dealing with you. Trust me they can remember both the civil and nice customers, as well as the raving lunatics.

6) As a previous post stated, the corporate stores have specific policies with checking in rentals. All rentals returned in a drop off box, or the slots inside the store must be checked in at 10:00 am, 11:00am,
12:00pm (noon), and last off at 1:00pm. this is to ensure any movie returned via this method is checked in on time. So as that previous post stated about someone saying I think it was a few minutes after noon, and it showing it was checked in at 5:00pm (when the next pick up is set to commence) you know they are doing 1 of 2 things, bad memory because they could have been distracted when returning or they know they are lying on purpose. So it is up to who ever the unfortunate soul is who has to deal with that person who was actually late and can't even fathem that they were wrong.

7) Now granted when people are involved there is always the possibility of mistakes. People get distracted, people also can mis-scan as they are scanning a stack of movies accidently skipping 1 or 2. I can't honestly say that any of them want to deal with a screaming, ranting and raving person over a balance. Its not like the employee's want to give blockbuster more money, when they aren't getting bigger raises and compensation for it. Remeber those boxes hold alot more then 20 movies. Now, corporate knows that people make mistakes, so they give their stores a tool to help them locate any rentals that slip past them indicating someone made a mistake. They print up a report once a week for that tells them all the movies that are outstanding past a certain # of days, so they go and check their shelves for those rentals. When they find them if they were actually returned, they check it in and take off the balance, granted there are some instances where a letter or a phone call was already made but that is usually just a time descrepency.

8) Those little white postcards aren't meant to be threatening, but are meant to be a reminder of what is still out on your account or owed balance. Would you rather after 2 months of that balance sitting there you get sent to a collection agency over $2, $4, balances? Hell, I dont like the idea of a collection agency but after a couple of months what do people expect?

9) As for pricing, games aren't cheap and on average are 3x more expensive then dvd's, and are also more likely to not be returned, and even more likely to get scratched severely or lost and destroyed. Who are the primary renters of games? KIDS, how responsible are kids, and i say that in general cause there are some really responsible ones, and some that are just down right irresponsible and dont care about anyone but themselves. Plus, Dvd's themselves arent cheap either when after 2 rents a disc has to be replaced they haven't even made anything off of that disc. So keep in mind pricing is set because of a number of factors.

I'm sorry for ranting on and on, but too many people just want to see 1 side of the situations. Try to be civil to Blockbuster employee's i garuntee you they will make it right if you've been wronged and IF there is a situation where you feel you were wronged, and someone at the store level couldn't help you or refused to help you. There is a District Managers # posted in every blockbuster, just look for it, drop him or her a line, explaining who you are and your situation. I garuntee you he/she will take your problem serious and rectify the situation to your satisfaction thats part of the reason they have their jobs. Its usually posted on the same display that says how "each and everyone one of us is empowered, and expected to take care of you".

Phoenix

P.S. Blockbuster has been looking into removing Extended Viewing Fee's entirely, but that wont happen for a while, they are doing it in test markets to see what customers prefer. We shall see what comes of it.
 

Rumpltzer

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I got a Blockbuster card in 1990. At that time the drop-off time was midnight the next day for new releases.

Sometime in about 2000 that time got changed to something like 6PM. I wasn't aware of the change and brought a movie back after six but before midnight. Months later I got a postcard in the mail telling me that I had a late fee. It was my first late fee in ten years.

I went in and talked to the clown behind the counter. He wouldn't back down. I paid him, and I asked him to expicitly cancel my membership.

For the next few months I received stupid letters asking me to come back to Blockbuster. I was still irritated with the situation and wrote a letter to corporate to explain what had happened. No response.

I've rented from local shops since then.

Blockbuster can suck it.
 
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