Blog about flu vaccine that has been circulating at the hospital my wife works at

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: alkemyst
well in all fairness I rarely get sick...I have a freaking constitution of no equal.

The flu shot to me is a waste of time spent doing other things.

Also there have been confirmed issues with those getting flu shots. Sure it's a very very small population, but none-the-less not entirely risk free.

Sitting down to a breakfast of scrambled eggs is not entirely risk free either. Seems like your making up excuses.

WHAT THE FUCK? Do you think about what you type?

I am 38. I have been sick after maturity maybe 10 times. I have been to a doc once for those and in the end it didn't help me really I think (7 days of meds).

I have no need to pursue this.

I don't live anywhere a risk-free life. The flu is not a concern of mine.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me how many people mistake bad colds and other illnesses (including stomach viruses) with the flu.

and it amazes me that people will call those who say they have the flu idiots even after they ahve been to the doctor.

/chimes in banjos.

 

[Jeff7]

*sigh*
I signed up to get a flu shot - my company is going halfsies on paying for them for us. That is to say, they pay half of what we'd pay as a copay for a doctor's office visit through our medical insurance.

Really, the only reason I never got the shot before was because I just hate needles and the injection and all that painful, icky stuff. So, what the hell, I'll put up with it and let the government inject me with their mind-altering obedience serum.



And dammit, where the hell are TNG-style hyposprays?

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
*sigh*
I signed up to get a flu shot - my company is going halfsies on paying for them for us. That is to say, they pay half of what we'd pay as a copay for a doctor's office visit through our medical insurance.

Really, the only reason I never got the shot before was because I just hate needles and the injection and all that painful, icky stuff. So, what the hell, I'll put up with it and let the government inject me with their mind-altering obedience serum.



And dammit, where the hell are TNG-style hyposprays?

Half? Was it that expensive to begin with? I paid $25 to get it at Walgreens.

 

[alkemyst]

All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you; digger, listener, runner, Prince with the swift warning. Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed.

OH NOES THE FLUS!

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Jeff7
*sigh*
I signed up to get a flu shot - my company is going halfsies on paying for them for us. That is to say, they pay half of what we'd pay as a copay for a doctor's office visit through our medical insurance.

Really, the only reason I never got the shot before was because I just hate needles and the injection and all that painful, icky stuff. So, what the hell, I'll put up with it and let the government inject me with their mind-altering obedience serum.



And dammit, where the hell are TNG-style hyposprays?

Half? Was it that expensive to begin with? I paid $25 to get it at Walgreens.

My insurance covers it 100%. Pretty cheap, if you ask me. And, even at $25 (not saying that you're using that as an excuse not to get the shot, but some people will), and assuming that without the shot, I'd average getting the flu once every 7 or 8 years... Hell, I'll happily pay $200 out of pocket to greatly reduce my risk of getting the flu & missing work for a week or more. Missing work causes wayyyy too much work for me.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
How the hell do you guys have 40,000 traffic accident deaths per year?

The UK figure for 2007 was 2,946 deaths...

UK drivers have a much more extensive training regimen and also drive significantly fewer miles per year than US drivers.

2008 was an all-time low for the US since 1961 with 37,313 traffic fatalities but on average the number of traffic fatalities in the US is slightly over 40,000/year.

ZV

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Half? Was it that expensive to begin with? I paid $25 to get it at Walgreens.

No, but the company just tends to do nice things like this for employees. In this case, they're also having someone come out to the facility to administer the injections, so it's convenient as well. I guess it's in their interests too - lower chance of people getting sick means less chance of missed time due to this particular illness.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Half? Was it that expensive to begin with? I paid $25 to get it at Walgreens.

No, but the company just tends to do nice things like this for employees. In this case, they're also having someone come out to the facility to administer the injections, so it's convenient as well. I guess it's in their interests too - lower chance of people getting sick means less chance of missed time due to this particular illness.

Good point. Small gesture by the company to potentially increase or maintain productivity during prime flu season.

Edit:
Oooo post 9999

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
You're missing one small component: you face that risk more than once in your lifetime. You face that risk every single year. When you get sick from the flu, you're risking the lives of those around you who are very young or very old.

30,000 deaths per year, and living for 70 years... suddenly, the number of deaths from the flu for that 280 million people isn't so insignificant.

99.9% ^ 70 = 93.2%

Assuming that all people are equally at risk of death from the flu (which is patently false), I have, at most, a 6.8% chance of dying from influenza over a 70 year timespan. However, since I'm already 27, the chances are closer to 4.9% over the likely remainder of my life. More than an acceptable risk to avoid the hassle.

Every year that I successfully avoid dying from the flu, the chances that I will die from the flu over the remainder of my life decrease.

I don't visit people when I'm sick. I stay home. I don't know why everyone seems to assume that I'm out sneezing on babies and the elderly every time I get sick.

Also, with a birth rate that is nearly 4,000,000/year, I continue to stand by my statement that a death rate of 30,000 people per year from influenza is in now way even remotely close to an existential threat to our society. The number of deaths yearly from influenza is less than 1% of the birth rate. It's just plain not significant from a purely malthusian perspective.

ZV

 

[eits]

i don't know anyone saying take airborne or vitamin c to decrease the risk of getting swine flu... i am hearing, however, vitamin d, l-lysine, and echinacea from medical doctors and chiropractors alike.

personally, i'm against taking the flu vaccine... not because i'm afraid of it or anything, but because it's ineffective and gives more money to pharmaceutical companies. even though there's been a geometric growth in the flu shot given per year since the 80s, the number of deaths due to flu stays the same. it's mainly because the cdc predicts what flu strain will be big for a certain year and vaccines are made based on that prediction. however, there are a bunch of different flu strains that are out there, so the shot people get don't protect them from that strain. it's like having bad weathermen in charge of predicting what flu vaccine to manufacture for a certain year.

also, the vaccine they're using is very similar to the one that caused more harm than good back in '76. i'm sure the public doesn't want to risk getting guillain-barre syndrome if they can avoid it... especially when the swine flu has a mortality rate that's the same as the seasonal flu.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/..._h1n1_vaccine_dangers/

excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
99.9% ^ 70 = 93.2%

Assuming that all people are equally at risk of death from the flu (which is patently false), I have, at most, a 6.8% chance of dying from influenza over a 70 year timespan. However, since I'm already 27, the chances are closer to 4.9% over the likely remainder of my life. More than an acceptable risk to avoid the hassle.

Every year that I successfully avoid dying from the flu, the chances that I will die from the flu over the remainder of my life decrease.

I don't visit people when I'm sick. I stay home. I don't know why everyone seems to assume that I'm out sneezing on babies and the elderly every time I get sick.

You can be infectious before you show any symptoms at all.

Also, with a birth rate that is nearly 4,000,000/year, I continue to stand by my statement that a death rate of 30,000 people per year from influenza is in now way even remotely close to an existential threat to our society. The number of deaths yearly from influenza is less than 1% of the birth rate. It's just plain not significant from a purely malthusian perspective.

ZV

30,000 per year isn't a threat to our society, you're quite right there. But it's also a society that at least claims to value life, so if a significant of those 30,000 otherwise premature deaths can be prevented, it may well be worth the trouble.
And there's the loss in productivity due to a long illness, which has an economic impact. There are also the intangibles to consider, such as emotional loss from deaths, or stress from being sick and/or missing time from work and quality time with family and friends.

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Just another baseless saying use to rationalize self-destructive decisions.
I can think of a LOT of things that won't kill you and will certainly not make you any stronger - and there are a lot of other things that won't kill you either, but will make you wish they had.

I probably won't ever get struck by lightning, but I'm not going to run outside during a storm holding a metal rod. The chance of being struck is still pretty low, but it's just a stupid thing to do.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: moshquerade
mandated to get the seasonal flu and the h1n1 flu vaccine crew signing in

AFAIK, NY health care workers have only been mandated to get the seasonal flu vaccine. It still remains to be determined if they'll be mandated to get the H1N1 vaccine. (per conversation with my wife last night who gets the flu shot annually anyway - she's a nurse.)

Yes, I was getting ahead of myself. If the seasonal flu shot has been mandated, for the first time as far as I know, I can't help but think they will also mandate the h1n1 vaccine.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

Not to mention the whole thing about vaccines is that its suppose to do teh same thing as getting sick from flu minus the getting sick part.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: eits
i don't know anyone saying take airborne or vitamin c to decrease the risk of getting swine flu... i am hearing, however, vitamin d, l-lysine, and echinacea from medical doctors and chiropractors alike.

personally, i'm against taking the flu vaccine... not because i'm afraid of it or anything, but because it's ineffective and gives more money to pharmaceutical companies. even though there's been a geometric growth in the flu shot given per year since the 80s, the number of deaths due to flu stays the same. it's mainly because the cdc predicts what flu strain will be big for a certain year and vaccines are made based on that prediction. however, there are a bunch of different flu strains that are out there, so the shot people get don't protect them from that strain. it's like having bad weathermen in charge of predicting what flu vaccine to manufacture for a certain year.

also, the vaccine they're using is very similar to the one that caused more harm than good back in '76. i'm sure the public doesn't want to risk getting guillain-barre syndrome if they can avoid it... especially when the swine flu has a mortality rate that's the same as the seasonal flu.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/..._h1n1_vaccine_dangers/

excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Bashing flu vaccines and linking metacafe videos really isnt helping your credibility as a healthcare provider. The method theyre making the h1n1 vaccine is the same method they use to make all flu vaccines. The chance of GBS is NEGLIGIBLE. It's like saying you want ot avoid chiropractics because theres a risk you'll break your neck.

Yes # of flu deaths stay the same while the # of old people is rising dramatically. If the flu shot didnt do anything, shouldnt the rate of flu deaths incraese to mirror the increase in the most susceptible population?

Please provide actual, peer reviewed, data that says the vaccine does more harm than good. Dont link metacafe videos or random websites

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

Not to mention the whole thing about vaccines is that its suppose to do teh same thing as getting sick from flu minus the getting sick part.

But there's a less than .1% chance I'll develop some unrelated put partially correlated condition I heard this friend of a friend of a friend got! Vaccines are the devil and just line Big Pharma's pockets!!!

lol

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

Not to mention the whole thing about vaccines is that its suppose to do teh same thing as getting sick from flu minus the getting sick part.

But there's a less than .1% chance I'll develop some unrelated put partially correlated condition I heard this friend of a friend of a friend got! Vaccines are the devil and just line Big Pharma's pockets!!!

lol

dont forget AUTISMMMMM. I watched this video on youtube where jenny mccarthy said her son got autism from immunizations. I'm pretty sure theres like a 50% chance you get autism if you get the flu shot. Just FYI guys

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

"ususally"

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

"usually"

I doubt that as well.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: eits
i don't know anyone saying take airborne or vitamin c to decrease the risk of getting swine flu... i am hearing, however, vitamin d, l-lysine, and echinacea from medical doctors and chiropractors alike.

personally, i'm against taking the flu vaccine... not because i'm afraid of it or anything, but because it's ineffective and gives more money to pharmaceutical companies. even though there's been a geometric growth in the flu shot given per year since the 80s, the number of deaths due to flu stays the same. it's mainly because the cdc predicts what flu strain will be big for a certain year and vaccines are made based on that prediction. however, there are a bunch of different flu strains that are out there, so the shot people get don't protect them from that strain. it's like having bad weathermen in charge of predicting what flu vaccine to manufacture for a certain year.

also, the vaccine they're using is very similar to the one that caused more harm than good back in '76. i'm sure the public doesn't want to risk getting guillain-barre syndrome if they can avoid it... especially when the swine flu has a mortality rate that's the same as the seasonal flu.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/..._h1n1_vaccine_dangers/

excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Bashing flu vaccines and linking metacafe videos really isnt helping your credibility as a healthcare provider. The method theyre making the h1n1 vaccine is the same method they use to make all flu vaccines. The chance of GBS is NEGLIGIBLE. It's like saying you want ot avoid chiropractics because theres a risk you'll break your neck.

Yes # of flu deaths stay the same while the # of old people is rising dramatically. If the flu shot didnt do anything, shouldnt the rate of flu deaths incraese to mirror the increase in the most susceptible population?

Please provide actual, peer reviewed, data that says the vaccine does more harm than good. Dont link metacafe videos or random websites

don't worry about where i got the video... just worry about the content of the video.

also, this was what i was talking about...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2/AR2005102200063.html

i also came across this video too... not exactly comforting. i'm just saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0

i'm not saying no one should ever take it... i'm sure eventually, they'll come out with a safe h1n1 vaccine... i'm just not convinced this one is it yet. also, i think it should be reserved for those who are at risk, since it's apparently more difficult to make. they're making it the same way they make the seasonal flu vaccines (which was how they made it in 1976, too).

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

Not to mention the whole thing about vaccines is that its suppose to do teh same thing as getting sick from flu minus the getting sick part.

But there's a less than .1% chance I'll develop some unrelated put partially correlated condition I heard this friend of a friend of a friend got! Vaccines are the devil and just line Big Pharma's pockets!!!

lol

dont forget AUTISMMMMM. I watched this video on youtube where jenny mccarthy said her son got autism from immunizations. I'm pretty sure theres like a 50% chance you get autism if you get the flu shot. Just FYI guys

there are so many aspies running around i'd bet that it's more like a 75% chance.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

Not to mention the whole thing about vaccines is that its suppose to do teh same thing as getting sick from flu minus the getting sick part.

uh, i never claimed that...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: eits
excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Polio (sometimes)
Chainsaw juggling accident
Broken bones not healing right
Neuromuscular diseases.....
Cronic cubicle syndrome


The list goes on.

Not to mention the whole thing about vaccines is that its suppose to do teh same thing as getting sick from flu minus the getting sick part.

But there's a less than .1% chance I'll develop some unrelated put partially correlated condition I heard this friend of a friend of a friend got! Vaccines are the devil and just line Big Pharma's pockets!!!

lol

dont forget AUTISMMMMM. I watched this video on youtube where jenny mccarthy said her son got autism from immunizations. I'm pretty sure theres like a 50% chance you get autism if you get the flu shot. Just FYI guys

i definitely don't blame vaccines for autism... i've said that tons of times. i blame age of parents who conceive for autism.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: eits
i don't know anyone saying take airborne or vitamin c to decrease the risk of getting swine flu... i am hearing, however, vitamin d, l-lysine, and echinacea from medical doctors and chiropractors alike.

personally, i'm against taking the flu vaccine... not because i'm afraid of it or anything, but because it's ineffective and gives more money to pharmaceutical companies. even though there's been a geometric growth in the flu shot given per year since the 80s, the number of deaths due to flu stays the same. it's mainly because the cdc predicts what flu strain will be big for a certain year and vaccines are made based on that prediction. however, there are a bunch of different flu strains that are out there, so the shot people get don't protect them from that strain. it's like having bad weathermen in charge of predicting what flu vaccine to manufacture for a certain year.

also, the vaccine they're using is very similar to the one that caused more harm than good back in '76. i'm sure the public doesn't want to risk getting guillain-barre syndrome if they can avoid it... especially when the swine flu has a mortality rate that's the same as the seasonal flu.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/..._h1n1_vaccine_dangers/

excuse me if i don't wanna get a shot for something i probably won't have OR more than likely won't die from. whatever doesn't kill me usually makes me stronger.

Bashing flu vaccines and linking metacafe videos really isnt helping your credibility as a healthcare provider. The method theyre making the h1n1 vaccine is the same method they use to make all flu vaccines. The chance of GBS is NEGLIGIBLE. It's like saying you want ot avoid chiropractics because theres a risk you'll break your neck.

Yes # of flu deaths stay the same while the # of old people is rising dramatically. If the flu shot didnt do anything, shouldnt the rate of flu deaths incraese to mirror the increase in the most susceptible population?

Please provide actual, peer reviewed, data that says the vaccine does more harm than good. Dont link metacafe videos or random websites

don't worry about where i got the video... just worry about the content of the video.

also, this was what i was talking about...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2/AR2005102200063.html

i also came across this video too... not exactly comforting. i'm just saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0

i'm not saying no one should ever take it... i'm sure eventually, they'll come out with a safe h1n1 vaccine... i'm just not convinced this one is it yet. also, i think it should be reserved for those who are at risk, since it's apparently more difficult to make. they're making it the same way they make the seasonal flu vaccines (which was how they made it in 1976, too).

I'm not even just focused on the # of deaths. Getting the flu itself sucks ass and a pretty sizable portion of the US gets it per year. Why not do everything you can to protect yourself and avoid missing work for a week