Blog rant: "I Hate Todays Smartphones."

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mnewsham

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Z1 Compact has a 2.2 Ghz Snapdragon 800, the same large camera sensor as the Z1, 2 GB RAM....other than the screen (720p) and smaller battery (2300 mAh), it's spec for spec the same device. However, due to the smaller screen size, both of those limitations are ok. The screen looks sharp enough on 4.3", and many reviewers say it's actually a higher quality panel than the Z1s, so despite being less pixel dense it's actually better looking, and with the smaller size / lower res the battery life is actually quite good.

People forget that the Snapdragon 800 is actually quite battery efficient compared to the last generation, so in addition to getting more power, you're getting a more efficient system, which helps with the battery life. I've never had a Z1 for direct comparison, but my Z1 Compact get WAAY better battery life than my HTC One did last year.

Hey, I personally like the Z1 compact and wish it had caught on more. No complaints from me about the Z1, besides the screen res which could have been 1080p just would have cost a good chunk more, so it made some sacrifices in order to get there, I wouldnt mind having "full size" flagship phones in the 5-6" range with compact versions of these devices coming out a month or two later, but 75% of people looking at the new phones will go with the more feature laden larger model as most people are used to phones of that size.
 

mnewsham

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It most certainly can be done. The iPhone does it as well, in an even smaller package. Manufacturers are just choosing not to, it's not a technical issue.

No it can't, not with identical specs anyway, you can get close in a smaller package, but if they could make the phone smaller with identical specs, they likely would, as it wouldn't cost that much more. The problem is when you make a smaller device you usually need to get different components, this increases cost and since you aren't going to be selling in the same volume as the larger model you likely can't get as good a deal on the component costs. Everything you change from the larger version is going to increase costs a LOT for the smaller version. If it were as simple as getting a smaller screen size and slightly smaller housing, it would be done.
 

ponyo

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The market will settle on a "sweet spot." It might overshoot left or right initially but it will find the optimal size. I just know 4" iphone 5 is not it.
 

spacejamz

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I have a Note 3....when I go running, I put my sim into a old Sony Ericsson W510 phone (bought a sim adapter) which is 4" tall, 1.5" wide and .3" thick.
 

sgrinavi

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It's market driven, they're not making the larger phones because they feel like it.
 

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Hey, I personally like the Z1 compact and wish it had caught on more. No complaints from me about the Z1, besides the screen res which could have been 1080p just would have cost a good chunk more, so it made some sacrifices in order to get there, I wouldnt mind having "full size" flagship phones in the 5-6" range with compact versions of these devices coming out a month or two later, but 75% of people looking at the new phones will go with the more feature laden larger model as most people are used to phones of that size.

900p (1600x900 HD+) would be a great screen res for +/- 4.5 inch phones. never understood why this resolution is widely available on laptops and desktop monitors, but not on tablets and phones where it makes the most sense.
 

dawheat

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Z1 Compact has a 2.2 Ghz Snapdragon 800, the same large camera sensor as the Z1, 2 GB RAM....other than the screen (720p) and smaller battery (2300 mAh), it's spec for spec the same device. However, due to the smaller screen size, both of those limitations are ok. The screen looks sharp enough on 4.3", and many reviewers say it's actually a higher quality panel than the Z1s, so despite being less pixel dense it's actually better looking, and with the smaller size / lower res the battery life is actually quite good.

People forget that the Snapdragon 800 is actually quite battery efficient compared to the last generation, so in addition to getting more power, you're getting a more efficient system, which helps with the battery life. I've never had a Z1 for direct comparison, but my Z1 Compact get WAAY better battery life than my HTC One did last year.

It most certainly can be done. The iPhone does it as well, in an even smaller package. Manufacturers are just choosing not to, it's not a technical issue.

I don't think the Z1 Compact is a great example - it's a 4.3" screen in a 4.7" body (Moto X). So no, they didn't do anything amazing in packaging, they just made it smaller than the equally oversized Z1 (compared to its competitors). Can someone make a true 4.7" flagship phone with top of the line specs in the Moto X body size? I don't know.

The iPhone is a tough comparison since the closed Apple ecosystem has so many advantages in that it doesn't need equivalent hardware for a top of the line experience. So I don't think a sub-720p screen, 1GB of RAM, a dual core CPU, and 1560 mAh battery are workable specs for Android.
 

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Maybe I'm just forgetting the advantages of a small phone. I went from a Palm Pixi (tiny), to a Rezound (4.3") and now a DNA (5") screen and really haven't noticed much of a problem with any of the sizes.

I don't find myself using the DNA any differently than the rezound... it just has a much, much nicer screen to look at. I almost NEVER actually make phone calls, and texting is at home or at a red light if I have to. No problem using two hands for that.

These large multimedia phones are great for watching netflix/hbogo/streams, listening to music, reading emails and browsing the web which is all I ever do with mine. I couldn't care less about the phone features/quality honestly...
 

Rdmkr

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I find that even a 5.5 inch phone is usable in one hand*... it's just that you can't always use it in one hand in every way. Laying the phone flat on 4 fingers stretched out horizontally and operating the screen with your thumb is possible on almost anything. For me, keeping the phone balanced vertically on my pinky finger and reaching to the top of the screen with my thumb is comfortably possible up to about 4.8" (not on LG G2). Clenching it between fingers and palm at the sides while using my thumb requires something a lot smaller than what I tend to use. The last of these is ergonomically very convenient and the only pose that doesn't come with a serious risk of dropping the phone when someone bumps into your elbow.

* granted, the 5.5 inch phone I've used was a Lenovo Vibe Z weighing only 145 grams.
 

dawheat

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I think it's just what you're used to. When I switched from an iPhone 4S to a Galaxy S3 - it took a month or so to get used to not being to one-hand everything. But the extra real-estate was more than an acceptable trade-off to me.

I now use my Note 3 far more than I did my S3 for both work and personal activities and so the extra real estate is more than worth it. When I use my work S4, it feels like an iPhone in my hand.
 
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Nobody uses their phone the way it's tested in that graph. As someone who owned and used the HTC One, the S4, and the Moto X I can tell you it lasts longer in actual, real world usage.
That's because there's some idle time in normal usage. But the point is relatively speaking, the Moto X is the last place out of those 3 phones you listed.
 
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I fully disagree. These aren't just phones anymore, the larger screens are very much appreciated.

I don't really understand the rant though. There are phones like the Moto X, and Sony and HTC offer mini versions of their phones too. Is he upset that the flagship phones are not to his liking? If so he should take it up with the millions of people who are happily buying them.
I think there's two issues here you keep mixing up. Ergonomics and the advantages of having a large screen. Many people are simply putting up with the loss of ergonomics or not caring at all. Believe me, my eyes do like it when I see a large screen, but my hands do not. I was playing extensively with my GS2 yesterday and while it's probably too small to read on it constantly (also the pixel density), it felt GREAT in my hands. I didn't have to constantly shift it around, and it was shaped nicely where I didn't feel like I would drop it all the time (Nexus 4).

You might like 5.5" phones, and there's great choices out there for you, but for those who prefer 4.5" phones, don't pretend that there's a great amount of choice for them. You have to settle for lower quality mid range phones. The Moto X is the ONLY choice out there at that size, and while to you that may seem like choice, it's actually very restricting for the general public.
 

spacejamz

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my Nokia 8260 and Sony Ericsson T68 are in my junk drawer...compared to iphone 4 and Note 3....LOL

 

desura

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The moto x is actually a little too big still imho. Yeah, I think pocketable is important. I wouldn't mind an even smaller iphone, like a 2.8" model. For a long time that is what I expected.

Just hold it a little closer is all you need to do. Like, a 4" iphone is the same effective size as the 4.7" moto x if you hold it like 2 inches closer.
 

ControlD

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The moto x is actually a little too big still imho. Yeah, I think pocketable is important. I wouldn't mind an even smaller iphone, like a 2.8" model. For a long time that is what I expected.

Just hold it a little closer is all you need to do. Like, a 4" iphone is the same effective size as the 4.7" moto x if you hold it like 2 inches closer.

Why stop there? Might as well make the next iPhone in the same form factor as the iPod Nano. If you hold it right up to your eyeball it looks just like an iMax screen.
 

ControlD

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I have a Note 3....when I go running, I put my sim into a old Sony Ericsson W510 phone (bought a sim adapter) which is 4" tall, 1.5" wide and .3" thick.

That's not a bad idea. I run with my Note 2, but having something I could strap to my arm would be nicer.
 

Brian Stirling

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900p (1600x900 HD+) would be a great screen res for +/- 4.5 inch phones. never understood why this resolution is widely available on laptops and desktop monitors, but not on tablets and phones where it makes the most sense.

Because 1080P is a better match for video! Most smartphones of the last 2+ years capture 1080P HD video and many users play 1080P videos on the smartphones. We'll probably see the first 4K tablets within a year and we're probably a couple year aways from 4K smartphones. Of course that kind of resolution is lost on a 3.5 inch screen so it's just another factor driving up phone/screen size.

But, as has been said by others, the big driver for larger phones is customer demand. A few years ago when the first Galaxy Note came out many of the same folks that are whining here in this thread were positively foaming at the mouth about the Note. The general feeling from them was that Samsung would lose their shirt on it. Did they? No, they sold more than 10M of them and similar numbers of the newer version Notes.

The bottom line is there are some folks that are upset that the industry, and most of its customers, doesn't agree with them. Hey, if your so confident that there's this huge pent up demand for small phones be my guest and invest in a startup to make them given as Apple appear poised to abandon the smaller phones for their flagship stuff.


Brian
 
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Because 1080P is a better match for video! Most smartphones of the last 2+ years capture 1080P HD video and many users play 1080P videos on the smartphones. We'll probably see the first 4K tablets within a year and we're probably a couple year aways from 4K smartphones. Of course that kind of resolution is lost on a 3.5 inch screen so it's just another factor driving up phone/screen size.

But, as has been said by others, the big driver for larger phones is customer demand. A few years ago when the first Galaxy Note came out many of the same folks that are whining here in this thread were positively foaming at the mouth about the Note. The general feeling from them was that Samsung would lose their shirt on it. Did they? No, they sold more than 10M of them and similar numbers of the newer version Notes.

The bottom line is there are some folks that are upset that the industry, and most of its customers, doesn't agree with them. Hey, if your so confident that there's this huge pent up demand for small phones be my guest and invest in a startup to make them given as Apple appear poised to abandon the smaller phones for their flagship stuff.


Brian

99% of people won't be able to tell 1080p vs 900p given something like 350+ ppi on their screens. Just because it's a 1080p screen doesn't mean its "better" for video. That's like the argument of today's widescreen cheapcrap monitors. 1080p HD!!!! at 24 inches!!! Woohoo? It's also why we see more 16:9 monitors now instead of 16:10 which honestly would be better suited for general productivity.
 

Yuriman

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Then why did you vote that you disagreed with his rant?

I got what I wanted. Options are available. The Moto X, at the time, was plenty high-end for me and didn't feel like a compromise. It came out not very long after the HTC One and Galaxy S4, and contained a dual core version of the same CPU in the One and S4.

Galaxy S4:
5" screen
Quad Krait 300
2GB RAM
Adreno 320

HTC One:
4.7" screen
Quad Krait 300
2GB RAM
Adreno 320

Moto X:
4.7" screen
Dual Krait 300
2GB RAM
Adreno 320

I have no idea how well threaded Android apps are, but in anything that utilizes two threads or less, the Moto X will perform exactly the same as a Galaxy S4 or HTC One. It's clocked the same as the One and some S4 variants (200mhz less than the American LTE version), and has some hardware features that made it really stand out, such as active notifications and voice control while the screen was off, with dedicated hardware so these features don't hurt battery life.

The battery is 96% as large as in the One, and 85% as large as in the S4. The screen actually has 5.2% more viewable area than the HTC One due to the 16:10 aspect ratio (which I prefer), and is non-pentile (S4). It has the same screen space per frontal area as the S4 and a better ratio than the One (72% vs 64.8%) despite being a smaller phone, and although it has a lower resolution, it's still above that magical 300ppi number that Apple tossed around for a while. (FWIW)

The Moto X is 2.9mm less wide (-4.3%) and 8.1mm less tall (-5.9%) than the One despite having a LARGER screen.

The factory color calibration of the Moto X is far superior to what shipped with either the One or S4.




The internal storage on the Moto X is faster than what shipped with the S4 or One.




The only real problem with the Moto X is the camera, and it's arguably a design choice. The sensor in the X uses a RGBC / RGBW pixel layout so it can take much better low-light pictures than the S4 or even the One, with its "Ultrapixel" camera, without sacrificing resolution, but software processing is much less developed for that layout than RGBG which results in some really odd color artifacts. Its resolution falls somewhere between the two, 10MP to the 13MP of the S4 and 4MP of the One. Given the choice, I'd take the One or S4 sensor though because color is very important to me.

Given all that, I have no idea why the Moto X, which is the size of most companies' 4.3" phones, was not considered a flagship. Yes, it's a year old at this point and doesn't compete with 2014 flagship phones, but it's not supposed to. It's a 2013 phone.

The Moto X refresh is rumored to be coming in the next few months.
 
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desura

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Why stop there? Might as well make the next iPhone in the same form factor as the iPod Nano. If you hold it right up to your eyeball it looks just like an iMax screen.

that was pretty much what I wanted. I'm also surprised that a dual screen android flip phone never came into being.

But kidding aside, that is the whole point of retina displays.

Big phones are for people who pay attention to processor benchmarks and know the exact frequency range of their phone.
 

sm625

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Obviously you dont know what the word big means. Here is a refresher.

BIG:


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Today's phones are too small. Really, they are too thin. They could last 3 days easily on a charge, but instead they only last one.
 

Brian Stirling

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99% of people won't be able to tell 1080p vs 900p given something like 350+ ppi on their screens. Just because it's a 1080p screen doesn't mean its "better" for video. That's like the argument of today's widescreen cheapcrap monitors. 1080p HD!!!! at 24 inches!!! Woohoo? It's also why we see more 16:9 monitors now instead of 16:10 which honestly would be better suited for general productivity.

Actually the industry has been surprised to find many people do actually see a difference going beyond 300dpi, but that isn't really the point I was making. Why invest in video recording technology that's 1080P and get close but no cigar with a screen that's 900P -- why would you do that?

And similarly, although many people won't see much difference between 1080P and 1600P screens on a 8.5 inch or smaller tablet that hasn't stopped the industry from pushing out tablets with 2560x1600 resolution. I have the Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 tablet with just such a screen and love it -- best screen in a tablet I've ever seen.

In the end if you record 1080P video it's desirable to produce a screen that matches that resolution as that will simplify playback processing (eat less battery). And, when 4K video recording becomes standard the same rule will apply...


Brian
 
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