Blog rant: "I Hate Todays Smartphones."

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npaladin-2000

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Here's why I hate today's smartphones and decided to buy a 6-month-old smartphone instead:


I bought the one on the left myself, it's perfect. The one on the right is absolutely too big for me, but my brother-in-law has the LG equivalent and he loves it. To each their own, and be glad we have choices in the Android world, unlike a certain other smartphone platform.
 

Rdmkr

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well arguably "we" don't have a real high-end 4 inch offering and nothing anywhere near as compact as the iphone; the Z1 compact certainly doesn't come close. as apple expands the size range of smartphones it offers I think the table is being turned on us. It'll be apple where you have a choice between good devices in several different sizes and android where you can only say "yes please" and "yes thank you" to something 5+ inch if you want top specs.

of course this could change if some OEM made something like the motorola Razr M without sacrifices to the internal hardware and camera, but is that gonna happen, idk.
 
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thedosbox

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How does that answer my question? Are peoples smartphone choices based on *reality* or the opinions of people on this forum?

I already pointed out there were people in this thread whose response to the OP was "buy an iphone".

Hint - just because people with different opinions to you are having a discussion doesn't mean they blame you for the situation.
 

Yuriman

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well arguably "we" don't have a real high-end 4 inch offering and nothing anywhere near as compact as the iphone; the Z1 compact certainly doesn't come close. as apple expands the size range of smartphones it offers I think the table is being turned on us. It'll be apple where you have a choice between good devices in several different sizes and android where you can only say "yes please" and "yes thank you" to something 5+ inch if you want top specs.

of course this could change if some OEM made something like the motorola Razr M without sacrifices to the internal hardware and camera, but is that gonna happen, idk.

A valid point, I think. Apple releasing phones in 3 sizes may force other manufacturers' hands.

OTOH, it would be surprising to me if Apple's larger device didn't have better hardware in it, just because it can. If the iP6 5.5" gets 20 hours of screen-on time with a higher clocked SoC while the 4" is only around 4-8 hours, will people start pitching a fit that Apple should cripple the bigger phones so the smaller ones aren't a compromise?
 

bearxor

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A valid point, I think. Apple releasing phones in 3 sizes may force other manufacturers' hands.

OTOH, it would be surprising to me if Apple's larger device didn't have better hardware in it, just because it can. If the iP6 5.5" gets 20 hours of screen-on time with a higher clocked SoC while the 4" is only around 4-8 hours, will people start pitching a fit that Apple should cripple the bigger phones so the smaller ones aren't a compromise?

I don't think anyone would complain in this case because people understand that a larger phone would mean a bigger battery.

But there's also been no indication that Apple is going to keep it's 4" form factor updated.
 

ibex333

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Bigger IS better. A bigger phone has more space to put all the fancy hardware in. It doesn't necessarily mean more RAM, a better camera and more sensors, but a lot of times it does. With a smaller phone, it's more for a challenge for the devs to cram all this stuff in there, and more often than not, they will have to sacrifice something that otherwise would be there if not for the small size.

My Note 3 only seemed large at first, but then I realized that it fits in my pocket just fine. Jeans pocket, or cargo pants - not the dress pants you wear to work or wedding. Oh, and if you have a job that requires wearing tight pants, get another job. It sucks when someone tells you what you can or cannot wear, unless it's a uniform, in which case you should be concentrating on your job, not on your fancy smartphone.

The only issue with large phones is that the devs focus on fancy hardware, not in-call quality, so I cant hear shit during calls. : (

Finally, there is a limit to how large a phone should be. I'd say it's right in the neighborhood of 6 inches. Maybe slightly smaller. Any larger and it would be plain stupid. many companies realize that, so they try to expand by other means - smart-watches, smart glasses, wrist wearables, etc, etc. I am looking forward to a future where we will all wear a device on our wrist that can do everything from making calls to constantly monitoring and analyzing vitals, to understanding and translating ALL forms of speech, to projecting holographic images the size of a 60" TV and anything in between.
 

jpeyton

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I bought the one on the left myself, it's perfect. The one on the right is absolutely too big for me, but my brother-in-law has the LG equivalent and he loves it. To each their own, and be glad we have choices in the Android world, unlike a certain other smartphone platform.
I bought the one on the left as well.

Curious, what do you mean by the LG equivalent of the one on the right (S5)?
 

jpeyton

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But there's also been no indication that Apple is going to keep it's 4" form factor updated.
Indeed, the rumor mill says any 4" phones Apple sells after the new iPhone comes out will be to serve the "low-cost" market ($0 on contract phones).
 

npaladin-2000

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I bought the one on the left as well.

Curious, what do you mean by the LG equivalent of the one on the right (S5)?

Oh that looked more like one of the Note series in comparison. Wow LG really did manage to make things compact, didn't they? He's got an Optimus G Pro.
 

jpeyton

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Oh that looked more like one of the Note series in comparison. Wow LG really did manage to make things compact, didn't they? He's got an Optimus G Pro.
They just launched the G Pro 2 recently. 5.9" screen with a super thin bezel like the G2.
 

desura

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A valid point, I think. Apple releasing phones in 3 sizes may force other manufacturers' hands.

OTOH, it would be surprising to me if Apple's larger device didn't have better hardware in it, just because it can. If the iP6 5.5" gets 20 hours of screen-on time with a higher clocked SoC while the 4" is only around 4-8 hours, will people start pitching a fit that Apple should cripple the bigger phones so the smaller ones aren't a compromise?

I think the iphone still has plenty of room to get thinner.
 

desura

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I've always wondered if it would make sense to have basically a two-piece device. One would be an earpiece to let you make calls with, the other would be the touchscreen device. I guess BT headsets do that already...but if it could somehow be more integrated.
 

alkemyst

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Why would you want it to get any thinner though, that's the question.

With any kind of protective case it becomes pretty unpocketable.

Not all of us are carrying man-bags.

I go without a case on mine and if I drop it or scuff it up, just replace it out of pocket.

With 5 iPhones in the house, usually I have an upgrade or two always available though. I just upgraded my daughter's 64GB iPhone 4 to a 5S.

If you have comcast, they are offering a $100 gift card or $10 off your service for one year with any new Verizon Smartphone activation.

If the $10 off is before taxes that would probably be the most bang for buck, but the lady couldn't answer.

Within 45 days I can get another promotion so I am going for another 5S.
 

Commodus

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Bigger IS better. A bigger phone has more space to put all the fancy hardware in. It doesn't necessarily mean more RAM, a better camera and more sensors, but a lot of times it does. With a smaller phone, it's more for a challenge for the devs to cram all this stuff in there, and more often than not, they will have to sacrifice something that otherwise would be there if not for the small size.

My Note 3 only seemed large at first, but then I realized that it fits in my pocket just fine. Jeans pocket, or cargo pants - not the dress pants you wear to work or wedding. Oh, and if you have a job that requires wearing tight pants, get another job. It sucks when someone tells you what you can or cannot wear, unless it's a uniform, in which case you should be concentrating on your job, not on your fancy smartphone.

The only issue with large phones is that the devs focus on fancy hardware, not in-call quality, so I cant hear shit during calls. : (

No, bigger isn't necessarily better!

You say that it sucks when someone tells you what you can or cannot wear... so why is it okay if your smartphone manufacturer dictates what you have to wear? It's not just guys wearing dress pants, shorts or skinny jeans, either. Ask a lot of women and they'll tell you that a big phone like the Note 3 is out of the question unless they either ditch conventional fashion or carry the device in a handbag (and not every woman wants to have one of those).

Take a look at this Find 7a pocket test from tech reviewer Erica Griffin as an example:

http://youtu.be/EcyOMJSpHAA?t=10m14s

She's fairly short, but that just compounds the problem: odds are that she'd never fit a phone that big in her pockets unless she went for cargo pants... and well, that's a compromise. I don't think it's right to suggest that some people (especially a good chunk of an entire gender) don't 'deserve' a high-end phone because they didn't win the genetic lottery.
 

Yuriman

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No, bigger isn't necessarily better!

You say that it sucks when someone tells you what you can or cannot wear... so why is it okay if your smartphone manufacturer dictates what you have to wear? It's not just guys wearing dress pants, shorts or skinny jeans, either. Ask a lot of women and they'll tell you that a big phone like the Note 3 is out of the question unless they either ditch conventional fashion or carry the device in a handbag (and not every woman wants to have one of those).

Take a look at this Find 7a pocket test from tech reviewer Erica Griffin as an example:

http://youtu.be/EcyOMJSpHAA?t=10m14s

She's fairly short, but that just compounds the problem: odds are that she'd never fit a phone that big in her pockets unless she went for cargo pants... and well, that's a compromise. I don't think it's right to suggest that some people (especially a good chunk of an entire gender) don't 'deserve' a high-end phone because they didn't win the genetic lottery.

I don't think he meant that bigger should be what we want, but bigger undoubtedly allows for higher end hardware.

Not really trying to make a point with this, just throwing out some personal-experience. My wife and I are both relatively short. I'm 5'6" and she's 5'1". I have a few pairs of cargo pants, some skinny jeans, and some in the middle.

If I'm wearing cargo pants, I have no problem putting a 2012 Nexus 7 with a beefy case in my pocket, or a Kindle + wallet + Moto X (same pocket). With the skinny jeans, I fit my Moto X + wallet in with no problem, though it's less comfortable if I have a case on the phone. I typically put my wallet in one pocket with my keys, and my phone in the other, to protect the screen.

My wife used to have an iPhone4 (3.5") which she used without a case. In some jeans, she couldn't put the phone in her pocket... but she really couldn't put anything in the pocket except for a few folded bills anyway. The Moto X (4.7") didn't change that. When she's wearing looser-fit jeans, she pockets her phone, case and all. When she's wearing tight jeans, the Moto X goes into her purse, just as the iPhone did. For her, the biggest reason to get a smaller phone would be the reach of her hands, a 4.7" screen is a two-handed device for her for some things.

I would be uncomfortable walking around with an iPhone poking out of my pocket as in the review you linked, for fear it would fall out. I don't think it really fits either.
 
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Zargon

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If the only thing you consider "decent" is the flagship, then it's probably not overpriced, you're just under-funded.

last gen flagship would be fine(hav ea GS3 now I paid cash for, so Im really under-funded)

or I just suck the phone makers tit and happily hand out a mortgage payment every year for the 'new big thing phone'

they toss 2 gen old hardware into a hand set and occasionally give it a decent screen and then want 100 bucks less than 2 year newer hardware for it

its a shitty deal and a shitty compromise. id rather pay the extra hundred for a contact free 1 gen newer, or another 50 if Im around contract time and get something actually new.

the 'bargain' level stuff is only a bargain the for manufacturer dumping old chips they already paid for

in 2-3 years there have been 2 decent smaller handsets? the droidd mini and the razr m. that's not really 'letting the market spea' that's not talking at all
 

Commodus

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I don't think he meant that bigger should be what we want, but bigger undoubtedly allows for higher end hardware.

*snip for sake of efficiency*

I would be uncomfortable walking around with an iPhone poking out of my pocket as in the review you linked, for fear it would fall out. I don't think it really fits either.

Well, his argument about hardware is also somewhat debatable. Most modern flagship phones (including ones released beforehand) can hang with the Note 3 in terms of performance -- the only real things you get at its size are a bigger battery and room for a pen. The 3GB of RAM is on a single chip stack, so at worst it's just a bit thicker than the 1-2GB you'll find elsewhere.

Erica's situation isn't perfect, but I do think she's illustrating the need for balance. A lot of manufacturers act like they have to increase screen sizes on every phone, every year, forever. There's rumours that the LG G3 is going to have a 5.5-inch screen... even with LG's love of thin bezels, that may be too much for what's supposed to be a mainstream phone. And Samsung? I think it's going to have an existential crisis the moment it realizes that the Galaxy S can't really get any bigger (which some would argue should have happened within the past year).
 

alkemyst

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I think every 4 inch iPhone will seem ancient come October...

I doubt it. No way would I want the 4.7 or the 5.5 monstrousity in my pants pocket.

Even the iPhone5 is pushing the size boundaries. The iPhone4 in a waterproof case was much more manageable than the 5 is.
 

Yuriman

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I doubt it. No way would I want the 4.7 or the 5.5 monstrousity in my pants pocket.

Even the iPhone5 is pushing the size boundaries. The iPhone4 in a waterproof case was much more manageable than the 5 is.

How would you feel if the 6 were waterproof and had much greater shock/scratch resistance, to the point that it didn't really need a case? (hypothetically)
 

alkemyst

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How would you feel if the 6 were waterproof and had much greater shock/scratch resistance, to the point that it didn't really need a case? (hypothetically)

I don't use a case on my iPhone5....waterproof would be awesome though....if they can make it so a direct face landing on an object didn't break the face, that would be epic.

I'd still want nothing bigger than the iPhone5...that size is really pushing it IMHO.
 

mnewsham

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I don't use a case on my iPhone5....waterproof would be awesome though....if they can make it so a direct face landing on an object didn't break the face, that would be epic.

I'd still want nothing bigger than the iPhone5...that size is really pushing it IMHO.

get ready for disappointment then.
 
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