[ Bloomberg ] AMD Facing Bleak Future

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ShintaiDK

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So Amur and Nolan have been axed. Unless they are renamed into Zen in 2016.
 
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Abwx

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So Amur and Nolan have been axed. Unless they are renamed into Zen in 2016.

Source.?.
Or are you your own source.?.

Thursday 11 December 2014

AMD is set to launch x86-based Nolan and ARM-based Amur tablet processors in the second half of 2015. The Nolan processors will feature an interface that is compatible with both ARM and x86-based products.
The Amur processors will feature ARM's Cortex A57 architecture and will support both Android and Linux operating systems.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20141211PD204.html
 

ShintaiDK

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There s a disclaimer at the bottom of any roadmap, including this one, beside the published RM is a six months shedule since Carrizos are to be released in H1 2015.

The roadmap is for 2014+2015. Its not specified anywhere that its only 6 months. Or does the disclaimer say anything about it.

Unless you can prove it otherwise with an AMD source. Then the products doesnt exist in 2015 and may not exist at all anymore.
 

Abwx

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The roadmap is for 2014+2015. Its not specified anywhere that its only 6 months. Or does the disclaimer say anything about it.
Unless you can prove it otherwise with an AMD source. Then the products doesnt exist in 2015 and may not exist at all anymore.


But then find me where it is written that it s for the whole of 2015 and where it is written that thoses chips are cancelled, all you are doing are wild speculations, not for safe discussion but to spread some fud, as usual, you can prove nothing yourself yet you are drawing conclusions and even asking me to prove a negative...

So far AMD has announced theses chips and untill they release official infos about them we are left to believe what they announced and nothing else, i guess that you didnt forget the infamous 28nm thread where wild speculations ended being ridiculed and rebuked..
 
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turtile

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The roadmap is for 2014+2015. Its not specified anywhere that its only 6 months. Or does the disclaimer say anything about it.

Unless you can prove it otherwise with an AMD source. Then the products doesnt exist in 2015 and may not exist at all anymore.

There was just an interview with an AMD exec that said 20nm would be out in 2015.

Mark Papermaster revealed that "we’ll continue to transition and we have our FinFET designs well underway, but we won’t be the first user, the bleeding edge of any new technology node. You will see us be a very, very fast follower, so we’re right on track with our FinFET designs and what you will see next year really is 28-nanometer and 20- nanometer products from AMD."

And since when does one single roadmap have to show every market?
 
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There was just an interview with an AMD exec that said 20nm would be out in 2015.

Mark Papermaster revealed that "we’ll continue to transition and we have our FinFET designs well underway, but we won’t be the first user, the bleeding edge of any new technology node. You will see us be a very, very fast follower, so we’re right on track with our FinFET designs and what you will see next year really is 28-nanometer and 20- nanometer products from AMD."

And since when does one single roadmap have to show every market?

Pretty vague statement actually, and he did not say 20 nm cpus in 2015. My guess is that the first 20 nm products will be gpus.

Edit: also pretty telling when a top executive of a company openly concedes that they will be a follower rather than a leader in adopting new nodes. Seems like they are pretty much resigned to competing on price rather than cutting edge performance.
 
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Shehriazad

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Well yea...the GPUs kind of have to go 20NM or AMD will have no ground against Nvidia...and they don't want to be falling generations behind in their GPU market as well...it's their only market that is sort of working right now.


But that's already off topic. That said...I would really love seeing dat 20NM Carrizo Desktop chip...but I also want to see Santa and the Toothfairy.
 

pw257008

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they're also doing console chips on 20nm, I'm pretty sure. I don't doubt we'll see some 20nm non-console APUs released by the end of next year though--however, released doesn't necessarily mean widely available
 

erunion

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they're also doing console chips on 20nm, I'm pretty sure. I don't doubt we'll see some 20nm non-console APUs released by the end of next year though--however, released doesn't necessarily mean widely available

Carrizo is 28nm. 20nm will likely be GPU only(and consoles as those are made at tsmc as well)
 

mrmt

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like they are pretty much resigned to competing on price rather than cutting edge performance.

Not competing on prices, but on niches I would say, because bleeding edge nodes aren't only important only for your performance, but far more important, for your cost structure.
 
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So Amur and Nolan have been axed. Unless they are renamed into Zen in 2016.

Once again you're just spreading fud. Posting wild speculation as fact. It appears if you have nothing facial and bad to say, you just start making things up!
 

ShintaiDK

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Once again you're just spreading fud. Posting wild speculation as fact. It appears if you have nothing facial and bad to say, you just start making things up!

Right, AMD just hides it from their roadmap for the fun of it.
 

Shehriazad

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Things disappear from AMD roadmaps all the time...yet we still end up seeing releases. (sometimes just not the way that we initially thought)
 

Abwx

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Right, AMD just hides it from their roadmap for the fun of it.

At the end your constant fud spreading built out of wild speculations is tiring, read back from post 177, this will spare you being rebuked ad lib.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Things disappear from AMD roadmaps all the time...yet we still end up seeing releases. (sometimes just not the way that we initially thought)

Examples?

And do you remember Wichita and Krishna APUs? They dissapeared because they got cancelled.
 

Abwx

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Examples?

And do you remember Wichita and Krishna APUs? They dissapeared because they got cancelled.

Carrizo L is announced less than 6 months before launch, where was the roadmap that announced it within a one year schedule.?.
 

Abwx

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Carrizo L is a new product, not a removed one.

A new product that didnt exist in roadmaps one month ago, i think that s it s clear that AMD has decided that they ll communicate less than they used to do in the past, just remember Hawai, three months before launch there was no roadmap that talked about this GPU, and i think that there was no roadmap at all that did point it.

As for Nolan they have no interest to launch it early as long as Intel is keeping on their infamous contra revenues, once Cherry trail launch, and if not subsided, you ll hear some news of thoses APUs.
 

borandi

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In response to claims that 3DPM is biased against AMD made by Abwx.

3DPM is written, at its base level, very simply.

A for loop is declared to be multithreaded, and the code within the loop deals with x/y/z co-ordinates for trigonometric transforms on a struct with three main float class members.

One of the algorithms looks like this, in mixed C++/pseudocode using OpenMP:

Code:
float randgen(); // random number generator from 0 to 1 from the freely available Ranq2 PRNG as found in Numerical Recipes: The Art of Scientific Computing 3rd Ed.  by Press et al - has period ~2^126

#pragma omp parallel for
for (int i=0; i < particles; i++) {   // creates particle numbers of threads
 particle[i].x = 0.0f; // starting position
 particle[i].y = 0.0f; // starting position
 particle[i].z = 0.0f; // starting position

 for (int j=0; j < steps; j++) {
  float newz = 2 x randgen() - 1;
  float alpha = 2 * pi * randgen();
  float r = sqrtf(1 - newz * newz);
  particle[i].x = r*cosf(alpha);
  particle[i].y = r*sinf(alpha);
  particle[i].z = newz;
 
  if(particle[i].z < 0) {particle[i].z -= particle[i].z;}
 }
}
No effort was made to incorporate any advanced processor functions from any processor set. Compiler flags were set solely for speed, and faster versions of the trigs were used. Made in C++ with VS2012.

I used the code to publish several scientific papers regarding electrochemical motion and interaction with surfaces. This is code written by a scientist, rather than a computer scientist with a background in code or programming languages. For lack of a better word, a self-taught noob. I'm a physical chemist first, programmer second.

So one could argue that the loops involved require integers, and the random number generator is predominantly bitshifts, but the bulk of the mathematics that takes time is basic floating point trig functions.

Disclosure: I'm the Senior Editor Ian Cutress on the main site. I don't visit the forums that much(!) If anyone wants to double confirm, I use this handle on Twitter as a secondary account as well as over at OCN. You can tweet me at @IanCutress or @borandi with this link and I'll respond.
 

monstercameron

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In response to claims that 3DPM is biased against AMD made by Abwx.

3DPM is written, at its base level, very simply.

A for loop is declared to be multithreaded, and the code within the loop deals with x/y/z co-ordinates for trigonometric transforms on a struct with three main float class members.

One of the algorithms looks like this, in mixed C++/pseudocode using OpenMP:

Code:
float randgen(); // random number generator from 0 to 1 from the freely available Ranq2 PRNG as found in Numerical Recipes: The Art of Scientific Computing 3rd Ed.  by Press et al - has period ~2^126

#pragma omp parallel for
for (int i=0; i < particles; i++) {   // creates particle numbers of threads
 particle[i].x = 0.0f; // starting position
 particle[i].y = 0.0f; // starting position
 particle[i].z = 0.0f; // starting position

 for (int j=0; j < steps; j++) {
  float newz = 2 x randgen() - 1;
  float alpha = 2 * pi * randgen();
  float r = sqrtf(1 - newz * newz);
  particle[i].x = r*cosf(alpha);
  particle[i].y = r*sinf(alpha);
  particle[i].z = newz;
 
  if(particle[i].z < 0) {particle[i].z -= particle[i].z;}
 }
}
No effort was made to incorporate any advanced processor functions from any processor set. Compiler flags were set solely for speed, and faster versions of the trigs were used. Made in C++ with VS2012.

I used the code to publish several scientific papers regarding electrochemical motion and interaction with surfaces. This is code written by a scientist, rather than a computer scientist with a background in code or programming languages. For lack of a better word, a self-taught noob. I'm a physical chemist first, programmer second.

So one could argue that the loops involved require integers, and the random number generator is predominantly bitshifts, but the bulk of the mathematics that takes time is basic floating point trig functions.

Disclosure: I'm the Senior Editor Ian Cutress on the main site. I don't visit the forums that much(!) If anyone wants to double confirm, I use this handle on Twitter as a secondary account as well as over at OCN. You can tweet me at @IanCutress or @borandi with this link and I'll respond.


So why is this code running so bad on amd's uarch compared to intel's? Is there any optimization a that could be done to take advantage of amd's uarch without advanced extensions?
 

tential

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A new product that didnt exist in roadmaps one month ago, i think that s it s clear that AMD has decided that they ll communicate less than they used to do in the past, just remember Hawai, three months before launch there was no roadmap that talked about this GPU, and i think that there was no roadmap at all that did point it.

Isn't intel doing the same thing?
Both companies are deciding to communicate less and less and keep their next moves more secretive.
 
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