Originally posted by: aigomorla
*sigh*...
40W... ummm the fans in my system alone total more then 40W.
But the 920 i got to play with could do 4ghz in its sleep, also could probably climb as high as 4.2
AND 100% of all the air sinks available dont have installation issues on the X58 vs the P55.
AND if your a power user.. No gulftown.
it's incredibly foolish to expect sub-$700 gulftown pricing considering only the $1500 extreme edition has been announced. it is not a suitable argument to present gulftown as an "advantage" over P55 since 99.9% of you will not be buying it. none of you are taking into account that turbo mode will only allow 6 cores in C0 to operate at 2.4 ghz. you'll be seeing less than a 50% performance increase in only the best-threaded apps. without some really good overclocking, gulftown is not going to knock your socks off, at all, compared to the high-freq bloomfield performance we're seeing right now. it's just sad that you're using gulftown as a good reason to buy X58, as if bleeding-edge prices are a good investment or something. that is never, ever the case, and you will realize this if you stop to think about it. EE processors were never popular with builders or overclockers and that isn't going to change because of two more cores. no one will buy a CPU that costs twice as much as the rest of the machine.
the QPI controller on X58 consumes 30 watts at idle, 40 W at load. if you all want to cry about PCIe power consumption in one thread and then say 40 watts for QPI is no big deal in another thread, that's fine, but X58 is a +40 W, I don't care how many fans you have. that's great that your D0 can do 4.2. most people can only do 4.0-4.1 and those odds, even best-case, just aren't worth going the extra mile for X58. it's great that you had a good experience, but you want
so badly for X58 to be the better choice, even for the budget-conscious, and it just isn't. at best, it's a wash with the obvious budgetary perks learning toward P55. your absolutism in your rhetoric is completely over the top. what do you mean by "100% of all the air sinks available don't have installation issues?"
are you trying to say every 1366 heatsink has a good retention system? because that's untrue. are you trying to say every 1156 heatsink uses a bad retention system? that's also untrue. your aggressive/absolutist approach to this line of reasoning, and extrapolating it to mean that the P55 platform is a poor choice overall, lends to others the possibility that you are more interested in being correct than being reasonable. overall, how much uptime does your X58 board really get if you have to unplug and dismount it every night to cuddle with it?
are you really making a jab at a $20 coolermaster heatsink? if your argument has run out, then stop arguing. leave your argument the way it is with
Originally posted by: aigomorla
bu...bbut gulftown! and 40 watts is just like zero watts!
Don't bring completely unrelated aspects like an allegedly shitty third-party product into the mix. i can easily have you beat there by suggesting that the cost saved over X58 will more than cover a high end, dual 120mm noctua with a solid, straightforward mounting system. and if you're too stupid to figure out how a Coolermaster TX3 is supposed to be mounted, there is a youtube that reviews the procedure for you, and it's a fine heat tower considering newegg is giving it away with the 860. There is nothing wrong with the socket and there are plenty of heatsinks available that are more than adequate for the socket.
Originally posted by: Lothar
This is the only thing stopping me from jumping on the Lynnfield bandwagon.
I want a cooler that doesn't block my RAM slots, doesn't take more than 2 braincells to install and will allow me to reach 4GHz at decent voltage. I have no intent of going higher than that.
My case is a HAF 932 if that matters. The PSU will be facing down.
Is this something I should be worried about?
I don't care about the remaining features on X58.
the PSU is not a problem. if that third brain cell is sentimental to you, there are $30 thermaltake and AC freezer 7 pro rev. 2 heatsinks with a better retention systems than the TX3, and they will all keep a 4 ghz lynnfield cool. the vigor monsoon is pretty damn nice at $55 and the noctua is still decent for $70. of course the heatsink selection is not as wide as the 1366 platform because that platform is a year older, but I think the intel stock cooler, the AC freezer 7 pro rev 2, the Noctua and vigor monsoon have all value and performance segments very well covered for the time being. you can expect models from zalman, xigmatek, thermalright, and so forth in a few weeks.
check newegg combo pricing on heatsinks and you'll see they're knocking $20 or more off all the high-end sinks.
this isn't to say that X58 isn't as good as it always has been, there are just more cost-effective choices to be made that do the same job. if you're lucky enough to get a really nice D0, then you can definitely venture into 4.2-4.3 GHz with less than 1.4 volts, and if you have money to blow, this is the route you should take, even though these samples have been more aggressively binned out of the i7 920 since their introduction. however, this isn't to say that you need 1.4v for a 4 GHz i7 860, either. you may need a little more than a 920, but the voltage myth is quickly becoming an exaggeration. there were a few power-hungry specimens in the beginning, but now it's just turning into an anti-lynnfield myth.
xbit and hexus got their i7 860s to 3.91 ghz with less than 1.3 volts, anand got his to 4.0 at 1.344. guru3d got theirs to 4.2 at 1.4 so you know they could step that down. call me crazy, but I'd say things have improved for lynnfield and some people don't want to give them a second glance. for that all-important third glance, i'm searching google images for 860 CPU-z validation pics and there are numerous 4 ghz lynns with less than 1.35. there were a couple than managed 4.2@1.36v. budget-minded overclockers or people who know what a cost-benefit analysis is have a pretty clear choice to make in my opinion.