~Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD~

[Kelvrick]

I'm just thinking... Are there receivers that take hdmi input, but output DVI? There going to be cheaper hdmi/dvi version only boxes to bypass this stuff if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I'm just thinking... Are there receivers that take hdmi input, but output DVI? There going to be cheaper hdmi/dvi version only boxes to bypass this stuff if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor?

There already are such boxes...but they're very expensive.

 

[ShadoWing]

blue-ray cuz im biased towards ps3

 

[Bassyhead]

I think the industry is leaning towards HD-DVD slightly. Sounds like titles will be available on HD-DVD sooner, and the cheaper manufacturing costs means more profit in their pocket. The majority of people buying regular DVDs right now are totally oblivious to the technology used in DVDs, let alone BD-ROM or HD-DVD. I think whatever comes out to be the cheapest will win.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: jndietz

Originally posted by: Eeezee
I voted randomly in both polls just to screw with you

Without the public release of either format, it is impossible to determine their reliability, cost, and a WIDE range of other factors. Predicting a winner or choosing a favorite is like making a poll in which only 10 people are polled and claiming that it is a fair representation of a country's opinions.

You can have facts released by the industry and select hardware experts to help you make this decision, but only 10% of the data is there. We need a release of both products before anything can be said. What if there is some fundamental flaw in one of them that has gone unidentified?

Hopefully this is no worse than the DVD+-R war and there are eventually inexpensive combo players. I would vote for Blu-Ray if only for the higher data capacity (data backups), but I want more data.

Yay for childish morons who cannot grasp what the poll is for!

What is more childish than your silly name-calling? You don't seem to understand the point of my post. Here, allow me to draw it out for you in crayon.

Everyone is voting randomly because no one has the facts necessary to draw a good conclusion. There are relatively few known facts, and you can count on both companies hiding little details that may drag down the public opinion of their format. Look at the video card industry; there's rampant cheating on both sides, and no one really knows anything until 3rd parties run tests.

(Edit: And even then, one can never be sure. Anandtech and Tomshardware are widely considered to be trustworthy sources, but different cards work better in different circumstances. The case should be the same for these format wars)

Do you understand now? Your poll was useless from the start. The quality of the article was good, and discussion is good, but reading one article is unlikely to change anyone's opinion since all opinions on the format war are pretty much faith-based. Eventually we will have reliable information from 3rd parties with working players available to all consumers.

Look up the word irony in a dictionary

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: randomlinh
i want hd-dvd to win. the whole sony rootkit fiasco has put me over edge with them.. ugh. it's not a logical or valid reason... but i know that

with that said, depending on the cost of the ps3, blu-ray will probably edge out. However, what I would REALLY like to see is optical media that is just more reliable. Even at 50GB for DL BD, we have these 500GB HD's we'll need to back up. Altho, at the same time, HD's hopefully will just get dirt cheap. And initially, DL BD will probably cost more than a HD when you need 10 of them to back up 500GB... heh.

either way, the consumer loses. so much money is being put into getting one format to win over the other.. and all the stupid DRM crap they're putting in... BLAH.

I would gladly pay a little bit more for optical media that is guaranteed to last a few more years. That one is a big deal, and so is data capacity. Hopefully we'll learn soon which media format is longer-lasting.

 

[totalcommand]

HELLO? WHERE IS COST IN THE ARTICLE!

 

[konakona]

I voted against sony.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I'm just thinking... Are there receivers that take hdmi input, but output DVI? There going to be cheaper hdmi/dvi version only boxes to bypass this stuff if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor?

There already are such boxes...but they're very expensive.

I wonder why. Because can't you find actual receives with dvi input, but then designate output as HDMI for under 500 bucks? I figure take away all the amps, and speaker controls that the receiver has, and it should lesson the blow, hopefully to under a hundred.

 

[Bassyhead]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
HELLO? WHERE IS COST IN THE ARTICLE!

The article says a bunch of times that HD-DVD will be cheaper to manufacture. If you're looking for concrete numbers, they're not available yet.

The big advantage of HD DVD technology is that it will not cost much money to adapt manufacturing methods from current DVD procedures for these discs, as will be necessary for Blu-ray manufacturing.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Blue ray all the way, because it just sounds cool.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I'm just thinking... Are there receivers that take hdmi input, but output DVI? There going to be cheaper hdmi/dvi version only boxes to bypass this stuff if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor?

There already are such boxes...but they're very expensive.

I wonder why. Because can't you find actual receives with dvi input, but then designate output as HDMI for under 500 bucks? I figure take away all the amps, and speaker controls that the receiver has, and it should lesson the blow, hopefully to under a hundred.

You'd think so, but that kind of device/box would most likely be considered illegal and we'd have to buy from overseas...I hope some rogue Chinese company capitalizes on this and sells a cheap converter box

 

[BillGates]

I voted for HD-DVD because I hate Sony.

 

[secretanchitman]

blue ray because MS is making a big deal of HD-DVD, and other personal reasons.

plus blue looks cool.

 

[miri]

I am getting a Playstation 3, so there is my blu ray player, no way am I spending $500 on a HD-DVD player when I already have a blu ray player.

 

[route66]

Which one has less DRM?

 

[feelingshorter]

what about HVD? That will own them both

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: BillGates
I voted for HD-DVD because I hate Sony.

dont we all?

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I'm just thinking... Are there receivers that take hdmi input, but output DVI? There going to be cheaper hdmi/dvi version only boxes to bypass this stuff if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor?

There already are such boxes...but they're very expensive.

I wonder why. Because can't you find actual receives with dvi input, but then designate output as HDMI for under 500 bucks? I figure take away all the amps, and speaker controls that the receiver has, and it should lesson the blow, hopefully to under a hundred.

You'd think so, but that kind of device/box would most likely be considered illegal and we'd have to buy from overseas...I hope some rogue Chinese company capitalizes on this and sells a cheap converter box

Well, that convinced me. Looks like I'll be getting a nice HK/Denon/Onkyo receiver to opitcal out to drive some speakers and sub instead of getting some new computer speakers. That way, I'll be covered in case there isn't a simpler hack for a 2405fpw to run 1080p.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

Originally posted by: BillGates
I voted for HD-DVD because I hate Sony.

dont we all?

Anyone who knows about recent events does at least

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: VanillaH

Originally posted by: BillGates
I voted for HD-DVD because I hate Sony.

dont we all?

Anyone who knows about recent events does at least

I dont make it my purpose of existence to hate on companies or brands, but I do dislike sony's abusive and deceptive marketing practices. same goes for samsung and a few other firms.

 

[smack Down]

*.avi for the win screws disc.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I'm just thinking... Are there receivers that take hdmi input, but output DVI? There going to be cheaper hdmi/dvi version only boxes to bypass this stuff if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor?

There already are such boxes...but they're very expensive.

I wonder why. Because can't you find actual receives with dvi input, but then designate output as HDMI for under 500 bucks? I figure take away all the amps, and speaker controls that the receiver has, and it should lesson the blow, hopefully to under a hundred.

You'd think so, but that kind of device/box would most likely be considered illegal and we'd have to buy from overseas...I hope some rogue Chinese company capitalizes on this and sells a cheap converter box

Well, that convinced me. Looks like I'll be getting a nice HK/Denon/Onkyo receiver to opitcal out to drive some speakers and sub instead of getting some new computer speakers. That way, I'll be covered in case there isn't a simpler hack for a 2405fpw to run 1080p.

I would think that those receivers would just pass along the HDCP though; that is, that they would still require that your display be HDCP-capable if the input is HDCP. (Edit: I can't tell from your post if you already know this, but DVI can be crippled with HDCP as well, not just HDMI.)

Disclaimer: I have no experience with HT receivers of any kind and it's entirely possible that I don't know what I'm talking about

 

[13Gigatons]

Bluray is the better tech but hd-dvd will be cheaper.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
Bluray is the better tech but hd-dvd will be cheaper.

Same thing in the Beta vs VHS

Beta was better tech (quality) but VHS was cheaper.