Originally posted by: VanillaH
Originally posted by: Aquila76
Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
The difference between Blu-ray and HD DVD is the size of the aperture used on the optical pick-up head inside drives and players. Blu-ray uses a 0.85 aperture whereas HD DVDs only use a 0.65 aperture. Finally compare that to current DVDs? 0.6 aperture. The reason these are different is because of the surface layer of the actual discs. Their thickness limits the effectiveness of the laser due to optical effects.
Can someone reword that to something I might be able to understand?
Blu-ray uses a narrower laser than HD-DVD because Blu-ray's data layers are closer to the bottom of the disc. The thicker the plastic between the bottom of the disc and the data layer, the easier for the laser to get 'warped' and misread the data.
Doesnt that also make them more relatively scratch-prone? Or so I was told at another place, maybe its all speculations at this point. With over 15gb, I would be more concerned about durability than a bit more storage if that really is the case though.
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
There are nearly 20 companies on the Blu-ray board of directors. All of which have/had a hand in designing the spec. This is not Sony versus the world.Link
I still won't stand by anything Sony supports, given their prior transgressions. If it wins, I may fold but that wasnt what the OP asked.
Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD use AACS as their core security. Blu-ray has BD+ on top of AACS as additional security. Care to explain how BD+ works (with links too, if possible) and how it's more draconian than just AACS alone?
You need to do a lot more reading on this. AACS is the core security for HD but not for BD. Read Here
Are you talking about manufacturing costs, re-tooling costs, blank media, players, what? Be more specific. There are already prices announced for BD media. Have any HD-DVD manufacturers announced prices for blank discs yet? No?
All of the above. Once again read more on the link above
You're right, this is a tech board, which is why many of us hope the format with the higher capacity wins!
Yes, I'm shocked because it seems so many don't really know what there talking about. I don't see how a little more space is more important then all the other reasons I gave. Hating Sony, thats just a personal preference. However, the costs are a significant reason to support HD and so is the HDCP and heavier encryption for BD.
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Both formats support Mandatory Managed Copy as defined in AACS. If you think you will be able to freely burn and distribute discs using either format, I think you are in for a reality check.Originally posted by: Aquila76
I agree completely with all your points. I honestly hope that they can reach some compromise, but I doubt that's gonna happen. Sony and their constant 'rape the consumer of any possible freedom to use their purchased content/media' proprietary format bullsh1t can suck it. Almost no one uses their prior formats, hopefully this trend continues.
Already been broken? Dare to provide even a single link? Why would HD-DVD and Blu-ray release a format based on a security model that is already cracked.:roll:Originally posted by: AMDZen
Do you even know what AACS is?? Its the copy protection thats already been broken, like I said you need to read more about it. Its not the primary portection on BD. It is, however, on HD.
Originally posted by: AMDZen
HD-DVD.
a) Because Sony is the epitome of evil and everything they do, they do for furthering their own agenda and owning the rights on every propriatary format in the world.
b) Because the DRM scheme on BR is much more invasive and unfriendly to the consumer.
c) Because the cost of BR over HD is immense, and it will be a lot longer before BR is affordable. The manufacturers will make consumers pay for longer.
It shocks me to see that a tech board would rather see more expensive media, and more DRM in a format all for a bit more space. 15-20 GB on a disc is plenty and more then good enough for 2-3 hrs worth of HD content.
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Already been broken? Dare to provide even a single link? Why would HD-DVD and Blu-ray release a format based on a security model that is already cracked.:roll:Originally posted by: AMDZen
Do you even know what AACS is?? Its the copy protection thats already been broken, like I said you need to read more about it. Its not the primary portection on BD. It is, however, on HD.
Originally posted by: dawks
Originally posted by: AMDZen
HD-DVD.
a) Because Sony is the epitome of evil and everything they do, they do for furthering their own agenda and owning the rights on every propriatary format in the world.
b) Because the DRM scheme on BR is much more invasive and unfriendly to the consumer.
c) Because the cost of BR over HD is immense, and it will be a lot longer before BR is affordable. The manufacturers will make consumers pay for longer.
It shocks me to see that a tech board would rather see more expensive media, and more DRM in a format all for a bit more space. 15-20 GB on a disc is plenty and more then good enough for 2-3 hrs worth of HD content.
:thumbsup: for a good post.
I think it might almost become necessary for government intervention. If both players/formats start showing up on the market, this will be an absolute sh!t show. At least until we get cheap burners/players that can handle both formats with ease. Like to the point we are at now with DVD +/-. But if we continue on the path with two different formats, it will be a long and costly ride till we stabilize with multi-read/burn units.
Edit: I also thought that article was very one sided. While it stated many features of Blu-ray, it failed to mention that HD-DVD will have many of the same or similar features.
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: jndietz
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I voted randomly in both polls just to screw with you
Without the public release of either format, it is impossible to determine their reliability, cost, and a WIDE range of other factors. Predicting a winner or choosing a favorite is like making a poll in which only 10 people are polled and claiming that it is a fair representation of a country's opinions.
You can have facts released by the industry and select hardware experts to help you make this decision, but only 10% of the data is there. We need a release of both products before anything can be said. What if there is some fundamental flaw in one of them that has gone unidentified?
Hopefully this is no worse than the DVD+-R war and there are eventually inexpensive combo players. I would vote for Blu-Ray if only for the higher data capacity (data backups), but I want more data.
Yay for childish morons who cannot grasp what the poll is for!
What is more childish than your silly name-calling? You don't seem to understand the point of my post. Here, allow me to draw it out for you in crayon.
Everyone is voting randomly because no one has the facts necessary to draw a good conclusion. There are relatively few known facts, and you can count on both companies hiding little details that may drag down the public opinion of their format. Look at the video card industry; there's rampant cheating on both sides, and no one really knows anything until 3rd parties run tests.
(Edit: And even then, one can never be sure. Anandtech and Tomshardware are widely considered to be trustworthy sources, but different cards work better in different circumstances. The case should be the same for these format wars)
Do you understand now? Your poll was useless from the start. The quality of the article was good, and discussion is good, but reading one article is unlikely to change anyone's opinion since all opinions on the format war are pretty much faith-based. Eventually we will have reliable information from 3rd parties with working players available to all consumers.
Look up the word irony in a dictionary
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
Screw both!!
Go with the holographic DVD. 800GB - 1.62TBs per disk and is CHEAPER than a hard drive.
The only problem is holographic writers currently cost 10Gs a piece but if people would get of BlueRay and HD the prices would come down a LOT
I stand next to the debate and point fingers as both formats fail.