Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: lopri
Blu-Ray for the same reason that vhx has. Being able to backup data to 50GB/100GB (in the future) optical medium would be awesome and can even make external HDD obsolete in certain area. Even with 50GB disks, I can backup my whole documents in one disk, and music in another, and pictures for another. All this for 3 very light/small-profile disks. I'll definitely buy one when price drops below $200. It beats external hard disks in my case.

50GB is chump change for most people now considering we have 1TB drives. If you really want to backup stuff, tape is the only way to go. I for one would not be interested in burning 10 discs for the ~500GB of stuff I have.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Owls

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
HD-DVD will win. why? for the same reason VHS won way back when: the cost of the players, and maybe even more importantly, pornography. there's no way around the fact that sex sells, and (unless something changes) it won't be selling on blu-ray.

as with the betamax, sony turned their nose up to the adult film industry, which is being forced to adopt hd-dvd, regardless of their preference for the different technologies. as hd-dvd players continue to drop and hold a cost advantage, and porn starts turning up on hd-dvd, it will gain marketshare - to the point that blue-ray becomes insignificant and eventually goes the way of the betamax.

Who buys porno DVDs? No one. It's all about downloads. Back then DVDs were a paradigm shift in media, now it is not. You're betting on porno winning this war? You're probably a wal-mart shopper.

Blu-Ray will win, why? CONTENT. HD-DVD has tired re-releases while BR gets new exclusives. I HAD both, but I returned the 360 HD-DVD add on.

If HD-DVD players start outselling Blu Ray by a large margin the content will follow, the studios will be forced. Right now the stand alone players go to HD-DVD and I expect the disparity to continue. PS3 wont have the volume to keep up with that market. Currently DVD players run about 20-30 million units a year I believe. Right now declaring a winner is foolish as the volume of HD content is nearly non-existent on a volume basis compared to DVD. This will take years to phase out I believe due to DVD being good enough for a large swath of our population. Where VHS had obvious flaws.

 

[Pens1566]

HD-DVD. The $200 players are going to kill the $700 BR hardware in the marketplace. And PS3 will not save BR.

 

[Wreckage]

Blu-ray is already winning.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluraysales042007.htm

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Blu-ray is already winning.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluraysales042007.htm

For now, with such a little market it means little. Compare the combined sales of BR and HD-DVD to DVD and then tell us who is winning

 

[Looney]

HD-DVD.

When was the last time Sony ever won a format war?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Looney
HD-DVD.

When was the last time Sony ever won a format war?

The CD comes to mind.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: doggyfromplanetwoof
When every one is buying $30 HDDVD/BDVD discs, ill be searching the old DVD bins for 5 dolla' each. Take em home to my 42 plasma and upscale them to 1080p.

Whoever wins, I win more lol.

Except you get a 3rd of the quality, if that.

 

[hans030390]

To those who compare Blu-Ray to UMD, that's a really strange comparison. Sure, they're both media formats (discs) that can play movies. There's a HUGE difference between them, though.

UMD is exclusively for PSP, and they're crazy expensive. Nowhere near as accessible to the population as any other movie format.

Blu-Ray is just as accessible to anyone as DVD is. It has players and the movie selection is growing (and supported). It's still expensive, but so were DVDs when they came out (same for players). HD-DVD is similar.

Sure, let's connect the Sony brand to both.

Then, let's realize how completely different they are.

Next, realize that the crappy UMD sales really show nothing about how Blu-Ray will sell. It's a lame argument.

I'm also tired of people who spell it "Blue-Ray." If you want to sound credible, spell it right.

Sorry, rant.

BTW: If the Matrix collection doesn't come to Blu-Ray eventually, I may just have to join both formats.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: hans030390

BTW: If the Matrix collection doesn't come to Blu-Ray eventually, I may just have to join both formats.

It's coming in the fall.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Hahaha the pr0n industry is forced onto HD-DVD? Sony is one arrogant and stupid company. Pr0n and lower prices killed their beta max. Jesus this is like a replay of 20 years ago hahahaha

Sony Pictures was also not one of the largest film producers in the world 20 years ago and BluRay is not all Sony, but is controlled by the Bluray disc corporation (spearheaded by Sony) which is backed by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

* Apple Inc.
* Buena Vista Home Entertainment
* Dell
* Hewlett Packard
* Hitachi
* LG Electronics
* Mitsubishi Electric
* Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson (The owners of GE consumer electronics and RCA)
* Twentieth Century Fox
* Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
* Warner Home Video Inc.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Looney
HD-DVD.

When was the last time Sony ever won a format war?

The CD comes to mind.

The CD was primarily Philips IIRC.

 

[videopho]

Originally posted by: tigersty1e
So what format do you think will come out victorious?

None!
We're all losers.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Looney
HD-DVD.

When was the last time Sony ever won a format war?

The CD comes to mind.

The CD was primarily Philips IIRC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD

In 1979 Philips and Sony set up a joint task force of engineers to design the new digital audio disc.

Blu-ray was also developed "with" Sony not just by Sony.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lopri
Blu-Ray for the same reason that vhx has. Being able to backup data to 50GB/100GB (in the future) optical medium would be awesome and can even make external HDD obsolete in certain area. Even with 50GB disks, I can backup my whole documents in one disk, and music in another, and pictures for another. All this for 3 very light/small-profile disks. I'll definitely buy one when price drops below $200. It beats external hard disks in my case.

50GB is chump change for most people now considering we have 1TB drives. If you really want to backup stuff, tape is the only way to go. I for one would not be interested in burning 10 discs for the ~500GB of stuff I have.

Well.. Tape backup is even more expensive than Blu-Ray, isn't it? I didn't say it'd replace hard disk backups. Dependig on individuals, and depending on usages, those capacity (50GB and possibly 100GB in the future with more layers) are certainly big enough for anything except videos. And I am not talking about system-level or image backup, but a periodic data backup. Optical disks are much more reliable than hard disks, too. There is no reason not to like a bigger capacity as long as prices are reasonable (which currently isn't, but will be in the future)

The ideal scenario is both players survive and live through. (like USB and Firewire co-exist today) This shouldn't be too hard as long as Hollywood doesn't play this side-taking game. But yeah I know it's not what's happening.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: oronis

Originally posted by: tigersty1e
People still buy porn?

There are so many free sites out there nowadays.

If by free you mean, only costs you computer viruses and spyware, then yes, there are plenty of 'free' porn sites out there.

And if porn doesn't still sell, then tell me how girls gone wild is so damn big. I think you all are underestimating the power of the social deviants.

learn to use LINUX.

 

[dug777]

Blu-ray

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: oronis

Originally posted by: tigersty1e
People still buy porn?

There are so many free sites out there nowadays.

If by free you mean, only costs you computer viruses and spyware, then yes, there are plenty of 'free' porn sites out there.

And if porn doesn't still sell, then tell me how girls gone wild is so damn big. I think you all are underestimating the power of the social deviants.

learn to use LINUX.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Neither format is going to win IMO. Since 2006 I've been predicting it to be a veritable stalemate, and the only clear victor being the eventual (inevitable) introduction of hybrid players. I stand by that assessment.

Originally posted by: lopri

Well.. Tape backup is even more expensive than Blu-Ray, isn't it? I didn't say it'd replace hard disk backups. Dependig on individuals, and depending on usages, those capacity (50GB and possibly 100GB in the future with more layers) are certainly big enough for anything except videos. And I am not talking about system-level or image backup, but a periodic data backup. Optical disks are much more reliable than hard disks, too. There is no reason not to like a bigger capacity as long as prices are reasonable (which currently isn't, but will be in the future)

The ideal scenario is both players survive and live through. (like USB and Firewire co-exist today) This shouldn't be too hard as long as Hollywood doesn't play this side-taking game. But yeah I know it's not what's happening.

I seriously doubt we will have quad layer BD-R burners anytime soon. They can press them but just like dual layer DVD burners, it will take a long time for writeable media to be:

a.) possible to manufacture in quantity
b.) affordable.

IMO Blue Ray will pan out just like DVD burners: Burners will be launched within ~18 months at ~$400, and promptly plummet in price. It will be single layer only for quite awhile (still, 25GB ain't bad). Then, after a couple of years, dual layer burners will come out.
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And as for HVD (Holographic Video Disc), it does indeed seem to be the next generation of media after the HD generation, but I can't see HVD even showing up on the market until 2012 ish. Maybe there will be some third party holographic drives for the market (just like we saw DVD-RAM before DVD burners), but HVD is still a ways off.

 

[Fallengod]

Yeah, pretty much whoever releases a burner first with affordable media. I will be all over that.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Owls
Who buys porno DVDs? No one. It's all about downloads. Back then DVDs were a paradigm shift in media, now it is not. You're betting on porno winning this war?

you obviously have no clue whatsoever.

the adult film industry did about $12 billion in sales last year.

despite several ppl in this thread claiming "downloads" have killed video sales, it still accounts for the largest portion of their revenue - almost $4 billion (about 30% of revenue).

You're probably a wal-mart shopper.

and you're biased and short-sighted. it doesn't matter where i shop; it's the hundreds of millions of other ppl who shop at walmart you have to consider. you can scoff at them from your pedestal if you like, but they're the ones with the buying power.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Owls
Who buys porno DVDs? No one. It's all about downloads. Back then DVDs were a paradigm shift in media, now it is not. You're betting on porno winning this war?

you obviously have no clue whatsoever.

the adult film industry did about $12 billion in sales last year.

despite several ppl in this thread claiming "downloads" have killed video sales, it still accounts for the largest portion of their revenue - almost $4 billion (about 30% of revenue).

You're probably a wal-mart shopper.

and you're biased and short-sighted. it doesn't matter where i shop; it's the hundreds of millions of other ppl who shop at walmart you have to consider. you can scoff at them from your pedestal if you like, but they're the ones with the buying power.

GFT :thumbsup:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: hans030390

BTW: If the Matrix collection doesn't come to Blu-Ray eventually, I may just have to join both formats.

It's coming in the fall.

The rumor is that Lord of the Rings on HD will be HD DVD only though. Rumor though it may be, that could have a pretty sizeable sales boost.

 

[fern420]

Originally posted by: Fallengod
Yeah, pretty much whoever releases a burner first with affordable media. I will be all over that.

ridata has announced that they are now building stockpiles of blue ray recordables and hd recordables and a couple other Korean based disc manufacturers. when they flood the market the prices are expected to drop by over 50% but from what i saw the hd-dvdr will still be a considerable amount cheaper than BR, well under $5 a disc witch is a far cry from the $15 they cost now.

 

[mercanucaribe]

I hope Blu-Ray wins. 50gb vs 30gb is a substantial difference.