Blue Screen of Death

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: wordsworm
I just wanted to know what percentage of users who have AMD/Intel systems suffer from BSOD.

.. a worthless metric to assess. It cannot possibly provide any useful information because it does not assess anything else about the computers involved. Surely you realized that before making the poll/thread.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I have both Intel and AMD systems, and nary a BSOD on either. Why? Because I know what I'm doing with computers and my components aren't defective.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I have both Intel and AMD systems, and nary a BSOD on either. Why? Because I know what I'm doing with computers and my components aren't defective.

As do I. Although, most BSOD's aren't caused by defective hardware/RAM, they're caused by device drivers, I've noticed.

Originally posted by: wordsworm
For all you hecklers out there, if you really figure I'm a flamer or troll, or whatever garbage you've got in your wits, then don't bother posting comments. Real trolls and flamers feed off of negative comments. I just wanted to know what percentage of users who have AMD/Intel systems suffer from BSOD. Here you guys come out flaming me. Sticks and stones are so childish. Grow up.

Hey, you're the one who started it. BTW, why do refuse to answer any questions? I've noticed over the last 36 years that people who refuse to answer questions are usually lying, and I would bet that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that.

 

[Markfw]

At this point, this is a troll thread IMO, and should be locked.

 

[Amaroque]

I don't get BSOD's on my Intel or AMD systems. Hmmm, I guess I'm doing something rite.

 

[wordsworm]

Hey, you're the one who started it. BTW, why do refuse to answer any questions? I've noticed over the last 36 years that people who refuse to answer questions are usually lying, and I would bet that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that.

I refuse to answer questions from people who are insulting. Why I'm replying to your troll... good question. I guess I'll stop now.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: wordsworm
I refuse to answer questions from people who are insulting. Why I'm replying to your troll... good question. I guess I'll stop now.

Oh yeah, that's the other thing that liars always do-- try to change the subject. BTW, have you noticed yet that whatever you were trying to accomplish with this childish thread has been totally debunked?

 

[Amaroque]

See, one thing you can't have when you run DC 24/7 is not have any crashes. You are talking to a few ppl that have systems runing 24/7 at 100% CPU load.

I see NO problem with either CPU. You must be doing something wrong.

 

[wordsworm]

Dumb people can't see a point when it broadsides them, myocardia. If, by some miracle you figure it out, then you can ask me the question again in a civil and respectful manner, and I'll reply. I have already accomplished what I set out to do: create a set of statistics. How meaningful is that data? Well, due to the limitations of what one can do with a poll, I couldn't also ask people to indicate the amount of RAM that they had, or the chipset that they were using. This information would have been interesting as well. However, as my edited initial post states, it is interesting to note that no one has seen any problems with Vista 64 on AMD. Furthermore, it's also interesting to note that most of the people who replied to the poll use Vista 64, which is interesting in itself.

 

[wordsworm]

Hi Amaroque, can I ask how much RAM you're running each on? I can't help but think that this might be a contributing factor. In fact, I couldn't even get the computer to boot at all with 4 GB until after I'd installed MS updates with the 2x1GB modules that I have in reserve.

Well, I haven't had a crash since I wrote the original post, and the time between crashes seems to be elongating. Maybe, hopefully, they are now a thing of the past.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Amaroque
See, one thing you can't have when you run DC 24/7 is not have any crashes. You are talking to a few ppl that have systems runing 24/7 at 100% CPU load.

I see NO problem with either CPU. You must be doing something wrong.

Actually, its never happened to me in the last 2 years (a crash) or a BSOD. And all in my sig run 24/7

Again I state, this thread is worthless trolling, trying to blame a problem with bad memory or drivers or overclocking on the cpu.

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Amaroque
See, one thing you can't have when you run DC 24/7 is not have any crashes. You are talking to a few ppl that have systems runing 24/7 at 100% CPU load.

I see NO problem with either CPU. You must be doing something wrong.

Actually, its never happened to me in the last 2 years (a crash) or a BSOD. And all in my sig run 24/7

Again I state, this thread is worthless trolling, trying to blame a problem with bad memory or drivers or overclocking on the cpu.

If this thread is useless trolling, then why do you insist on replying to it? Surely you could make better use of your time. Furthermore, by replying, you actually put this higher up on the list of threads, increasing the visibility of said thread. Irony, that you call my thread trolling when you are in fact, along with your troll party, the ones who are committing the act that you accuse me of.

In my original post, I did not put any spin in it at all. I was just asking a simple question, looking for statistical information.

PS... BSOD as it stands now:
19% AMD
26% Intel

 

[Markfw]

It has been replied to many times, that the cpu is not the cause of your BSOD, but you cont8inue to spin the information.

FUD is all this is.

 

[wordsworm]

How am I spinning any information? This is a survey. The information from the survey, even if it is a small pool, clearly shows a difference between the two platforms. What it doesn't do is determine why the Intels are crashing with more frequency than the AMDs. No one here is going to be able to determine the cause or the reason. Nonetheless, I consider a 30% difference to be fairly significant, regardless of whether or not the exact cause is determinable.

 

[Markfw]

The survey the way it is worded, implies that either the operating system, or the processor is the cause of your BSODs, where in fact it is your drivers, overclocking, or your memory, or even your motherboard that are causing the problem.

The odds of it being the operating system itself (properly installed) or the CPU of either brand, are virtually impossible, thus the whole thread is FUD, and worthless.

If you didn;t want to get flamed, what you SHOULD have done, is to create a post explaining your problem, and asking for help on how to resolve it. By creating this poll, you have already decided for yourself that either the OS or the CPU is the problem, and those two things are about the only things that WON'T create a BSOD. As to the results, they are meaningless, as many who come hhere may not even vote, due the the imflamitory nature of the poll (like me). Also, it didn;t even include other OS'es like XP, which most people here are probably using.

 

[lopri]

AMD did have a better memory management due undoubtedly to its use of on-die memory controller, but that reputation has been long gone ever since Phenom's launch. The current north bridge in Phenom X4 is an absolute disaster.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
If you didn;t want to get flamed, what you SHOULD have done, is to create a post explaining your problem, and asking for help on how to resolve it.

But that would require that he own a computer with an Intel processor in it, which he quite obviously doesn't. This thread was never created in an attempt to get help for a product he doesn't own, it was flamebait from the word go. People who are actually having problems don't make threads like this. BTW, wordsworthless, Mark and I are keeping this thread bumped to the top on purpose. We want it to be well known how little credibility you possess around here.

Originally posted by: lopri
AMD did have a better memory management due undoubtedly to its use of on-die memory controller

That only ever applied to performance though, lopri, not to reliability. If it had ever applied to reliability, the saying would be "nobody was ever fired for buying AMD", instead of "nobody was ever fired for buying Intel".

 

[NXIL]

...most BSOD's aren't caused by defective hardware/RAM, they're caused by device drivers, I've noticed.

QFT.

For OP: statistics:

Inferential statistics is used to model patterns in the data, accounting for randomness and drawing inferences about the larger population. These inferences may take the form of answers to yes/no questions (hypothesis testing), estimates of numerical characteristics (estimation), descriptions of association (correlation), or modeling of relationships (regression).

with the n that you have, p is going to be high, i.e. the information you gather is not going to be statistically significant.

In addition, it may not be relevant. "The young girl went to the drive in movie, and got pregnant. Therefore, drive-in movies cause pregnancy".

Well, due to the limitations of what one can do with a poll, I couldn't also ask people to indicate the amount of RAM that they had, or the chipset that they were using.

Yes you could.

How am I spinning any information? This is a survey. The information from the survey, even if it is a small pool, clearly shows a difference between the two platforms. What it doesn't do is determine why the Intels are crashing with more frequency than the AMDs.

Is the data corrected for market share (both CPU and OS)? Corrected for machine age? "No AMD and Vista 64 problems": clearly, then, your data shows that anyone who gets an AMD CPU and runs Vista 64 will never have any problem. QED. Oddly, I notice most people on these forums buying Intel CPUs of late, and overclocking the heck out of them, and being pretty darn pleased about that.

May I recommend: a statistics class, and, that you read this by way of introduction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Equivocation consists in employing the same word in two or more senses, e.g. in a syllogism, the middle term being used in one sense in the major and another in the minor premise, so that in fact there are four not three terms ("All heavy things have a great mass; This is heavy fog; therefore this fog has a great mass").

Cutting people is a crime. Surgeons cut people. Therefore, surgeons are criminals.)

Is it true that you no longer beat your wife?

4 out of 5 dentists recommend sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum. What does the other one recommend? Sugary gum and AMD?

 

[wordsworm]

I know what a syllogism is. Let me show you an example: It is against the law to kill someone. James killed Tom. James broke the law. Or, as dictionary.com put it: Logic A form of deductive reasoning consisting of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion; for example, All humans are mortal, the major premise, I am a human, the minor premise, therefore, I am mortal, the conclusion. For a proper education on logic and syllogism, feel free to check this site out: http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/...tSyllogisticLogic.html

Corrected for machine age? "

Well, by virtue of it being an OS that won't run on an old machine... ie, "Vista won't install on old machines. My poll is only open to those with Vista. Therefore, those who answered the poll must have relatively new machines."

Statistics aren't perfect. Everyone knows the old joke about the sheep. That sheep very well might be 1/2 black. But, it's still reasonable to suggest that there must be a black sheep in every flock.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: wordsworm
I know what a syllogism is. Let me show you an example: It is against the law to kill someone. James killed Tom. James broke the law. Or, as dictionary.com put it: Logic A form of deductive reasoning consisting of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion; for example, All humans are mortal, the major premise, I am a human, the minor premise, therefore, I am mortal, the conclusion. For a proper education on logic and syllogism, feel free to check this site out: http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/...tSyllogisticLogic.html

Corrected for machine age? "

Well, by virtue of it being an OS that won't run on an old machine... ie, "Vista won't install on old machines. My poll is only open to those with Vista. Therefore, those who answered the poll must have relatively new machines."

Statistics aren't perfect. Everyone knows the old joke about the sheep. That sheep very well might be 1/2 black. But, it's still reasonable to suggest that there must be a black sheep in every flock.

You just don't get it do you ? Everybody here disagrees with you, but you think that you know more than all of us ?

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: wordsworm
Hi Amaroque, can I ask how much RAM you're running each on? I can't help but think that this might be a contributing factor. In fact, I couldn't even get the computer to boot at all with 4 GB until after I'd installed MS updates with the 2x1GB modules that I have in reserve.

Well, I haven't had a crash since I wrote the original post, and the time between crashes seems to be elongating. Maybe, hopefully, they are now a thing of the past.

I have 4G on the C2Q, and 2G on the rest of the systems. All the CPU's run flawlessly.

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: wordsworm
I know what a syllogism is. Let me show you an example: It is against the law to kill someone. James killed Tom. James broke the law. Or, as dictionary.com put it: Logic A form of deductive reasoning consisting of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion; for example, All humans are mortal, the major premise, I am a human, the minor premise, therefore, I am mortal, the conclusion. For a proper education on logic and syllogism, feel free to check this site out: http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/...tSyllogisticLogic.html

Corrected for machine age? "

Well, by virtue of it being an OS that won't run on an old machine... ie, "Vista won't install on old machines. My poll is only open to those with Vista. Therefore, those who answered the poll must have relatively new machines."

Statistics aren't perfect. Everyone knows the old joke about the sheep. That sheep very well might be 1/2 black. But, it's still reasonable to suggest that there must be a black sheep in every flock.

You just don't get it do you ? Everybody here disagrees with you, but you think that you know more than all of us ?

Half of the people can be part right all of the time,
Some of the people can be all right part of the time.
But all the people can't be all right all the time
I think Abraham Lincoln said that.

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: Amaroque

Originally posted by: wordsworm
Hi Amaroque, can I ask how much RAM you're running each on? I can't help but think that this might be a contributing factor. In fact, I couldn't even get the computer to boot at all with 4 GB until after I'd installed MS updates with the 2x1GB modules that I have in reserve.

Well, I haven't had a crash since I wrote the original post, and the time between crashes seems to be elongating. Maybe, hopefully, they are now a thing of the past.

I have 4G on the C2Q, and 2G on the rest of the systems. All the CPU's run flawlessly.

Were you able to install Vista cleanly on the 4G system, or did you have to install first with 2 like I did?

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: lopri
AMD did have a better memory management due undoubtedly to its use of on-die memory controller

That only ever applied to performance though, lopri, not to reliability. If it had ever applied to reliability, the saying would be "nobody was ever fired for buying AMD", instead of "nobody was ever fired for buying Intel".

I did actually mean for reliability. (Especially under overclocked condition) For one, AMD boards supported 8GB long before Intel did, and there are now quite a few AMD boards out there supporting 16GB of RAM. Not sure if I've ever encountered an Intel board that can handle 16GB of RAM. Desktop boards, of course. Also getting it to work (say 4GB/8GB) was a lot easier on AMD platform than on Intel platform. (<- this is just my experience so may not be the norm)

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: lopri
AMD did have a better memory management due undoubtedly to its use of on-die memory controller

That only ever applied to performance though, lopri, not to reliability. If it had ever applied to reliability, the saying would be "nobody was ever fired for buying AMD", instead of "nobody was ever fired for buying Intel".

I did actually mean for reliability. (Especially under overclocked condition) For one, AMD boards supported 8GB long before Intel did, and there are now quite a few AMD boards out there supporting 16GB of RAM. Not sure if I've ever encountered an Intel board that can handle 16GB of RAM. Desktop boards, of course. Also getting it to work (say 4GB/8GB) was a lot easier on AMD platform than on Intel platform. (<- this is just my experience so may not be the norm)

Lopri, just wondering if you get BSoDs on any of those machines you run. If so, which ones tend to be more problematic? I'm just curious.