BMW fans out ther?

[geno]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: NFS4
The truth about BMW

this coming from somebody who drives a camry

Ohhh boy, like we haven't seen that comment before... this isn't a pissing contest, who cares what who drives? It doesn't mean that person can't/won't have valid opinions/info... not to mention it makes you look ignorant.

hey if he can dish it out, he can take it too. no need for you to protect his ass.

Not protecting him, just preventing people from judging others based upon what they drive. I've seen it countless times where when someone's comments are questioned, the stupid "oh yeah, well what do you drive?" question comes into play. It doesn't matter is all.

rite so you think an m3 is just a badge?

I don't feel somebody posting that picture in resonce to a thread about an M3 is a valid opinion, if he had said something about how he thought the new bangle designs where ugly then fine.

Because they still make a few kickass cars doesn't mean the rest of their crappy designs are forgiven. The pic that was posted is true to an extent, people will buy an BMW purely based upon it's status and symbolism. Now that the new, Banglized BMWs are coming out, and are largely being received as ugly/soft and not the "Ultimate Driving Machine" they once claimed to be. Now, people think BMW is riding off of image alone, which I agree with somewhat.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Personally, I have always preferred a certain German manufacturer from Stuttgart and Zuffenhausen. Someday I will own a 964 Turbo 3.6. The last of the air-cooled, RWD Turbos.

Of course, I'll probably trade up to a 951 sometime between now and then. The 944 Turbo was a screamer too.

ZV

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: gt07

Originally posted by: 420LoBoB
Share the love on BMW's the M3 is such a sexy car don't you think!! and the M3 CSL omg!! i have a savings accout just for that car right now!! ill have enuff money by the time im 25 to buy my m3

glorified 3 series. I'll pass

you, my friend, haven't a clue.

 

[imported_mitch2891]

I like the new 5, 6, 7 but the new 3 looks pretty nasty.

Would love to own a new M5 but there is no way in hell I could persuade my SO to let me blow that much (we need a nice big house blah blah)

Oh and what is wrong with the high rev limit? I preffer high rev limits to large displacement engines, especially that noise.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: mitch2891
I like the new 5, 6, 7 but the new 3 looks pretty nasty.

Would love to own a new M5 but there is no way in hell I could persuade my SO to let me blow that much (we need a nice big house blah blah)

Oh and what is wrong with the high rev limit? I preffer high rev limits to large displacement engines, especially that noise.

No problem with a high rev limit. But it really sucks when an engine doesn't make torque until high RPM, and that's the problem he's citing. Granted, I don't think it's that much of a problem with the M5, but the older engine did make more torque down low in the rev band, and that's where torque is needed.

Gobs of low-RPM torque make an engine give effortless power and pull through anything (as well as helping it to melt the rubber off the tires). When the torque is at high RPM, it's in a place where its essentially useless for the way people drive in real life.

ZV

 

[Xionide]

I want them to go old school and design e36 and back.

 

[imported_Mike]

Im a fan of the E39

 

[Nebor]

I love everything they make. It's inately wonderful.

I wouldn't drive an X3 though. All the others are wonderful. Leaders in their respective classes in performance, luxury and style. :thumbsup:

The Ultimate Driving Machine (tm).

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: mitch2891
I like the new 5, 6, 7 but the new 3 looks pretty nasty.

Would love to own a new M5 but there is no way in hell I could persuade my SO to let me blow that much (we need a nice big house blah blah)

Oh and what is wrong with the high rev limit? I preffer high rev limits to large displacement engines, especially that noise.

No problem with a high rev limit. But it really sucks when an engine doesn't make torque until high RPM, and that's the problem he's citing. Granted, I don't think it's that much of a problem with the M5, but the older engine did make more torque down low in the rev band, and that's where torque is needed.

Gobs of low-RPM torque make an engine give effortless power and pull through anything (as well as helping it to melt the rubber off the tires). When the torque is at high RPM, it's in a place where its essentially useless for the way people drive in real life.

ZV

The M5's powerband will never leave you wanting for power. It's perfectly engineered.

Although I did notice a little tidbit in a '06 Corvette Z06 review noting that the Z06 makes as much torque (383lb-ft) at 1800rpm as the M5 does at it's peak (6500rpm.)

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: mitch2891
I like the new 5, 6, 7 but the new 3 looks pretty nasty.

Would love to own a new M5 but there is no way in hell I could persuade my SO to let me blow that much (we need a nice big house blah blah)

Oh and what is wrong with the high rev limit? I preffer high rev limits to large displacement engines, especially that noise.

No problem with a high rev limit. But it really sucks when an engine doesn't make torque until high RPM, and that's the problem he's citing. Granted, I don't think it's that much of a problem with the M5, but the older engine did make more torque down low in the rev band, and that's where torque is needed.

Gobs of low-RPM torque make an engine give effortless power and pull through anything (as well as helping it to melt the rubber off the tires). When the torque is at high RPM, it's in a place where its essentially useless for the way people drive in real life.

ZV

The M5's powerband will never leave you wanting for power. It's perfectly engineered.

Although I did notice a little tidbit in a '06 Corvette Z06 review noting that the Z06 makes as much torque (383lb-ft) at 1800rpm as the M5 does at it's peak (6500rpm.)

You'll note that I said that I didn't think it was a "problem" per-se for the M5.

That said, _nothing_ is "perfectly engineered". Nothing.

And what you point out with the Corvette is exactly what I mean. While the M5 won't leave you saying "gee, this car is slow", it would be even better if it had more of the torque down low where it can actually be used.

ZV

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I love everything they make. It's inately wonderful.

I wouldn't drive an X3 though. All the others are wonderful. Leaders in their respective classes in performance, luxury and style. :thumbsup:

The Ultimate Driving Machine (tm).

performance? Leaders? Really?

Style? lmao

Luxury? This stands out b/c?....

 

[imported_mitch2891]

Yeah but that is mainly due to torque being derived from the amount of combustable material you can burn at once so a 7L engine or smaller engine with super or turbo charger will always have more torque than a smaller engine that requires high rpm to get power.

It may require high revs to get the most of it but that just means you press the peddle harder!

 

[z0mb13]

I love BMWs..

2003 330ci owner, and I love my car!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: mitch2891
Yeah but that is mainly due to torque being derived from the amount of combustable material you can burn at once so a 7L engine or smaller engine with super or turbo charger will always have more torque than a smaller engine that requires high rpm to get power.

It may require high revs to get the most of it but that just means you press the peddle harder!

No...

Long stroke, small bore will give high torque to a small displacement engine because of better leverage on the crankshaft. You are grossly oversimplifying things by saying that it's derived only from the amount of fuel you can burn. Engine design plays a much greater role in determining the torque curve of an engine than simple displacement.

THe problem is that you still have to _get to_ those higher RPMs. It's not like you just step on the throttle pedal and the engine is revving high. An engine that depends on high RPM for torque is at a significant disadvantage for most of first gear in an acceleration contest, and it's not going to be in the sweet spot of the engine's power curve when you're cruising down the freeway. An engine with torque at lower RPM has a distinct advantage in first gear in an acceleration run (this is especially noticeable from the more real-world rolling start). Also, an engine with torque lower in the revband has the torque on tap when you are on the freeway and open the throttle to pass another car, whereas a high-revving engine requires a downshift to put the engine into its sweet spot.

All HP and torque figures are calculated at WOT anyway, so your throttle comment makes no sense. Remember that WOT is _not_ the same as redline.

I have nothing against a good, peaky engine, but your comments are extraordinarily simplistic and show at best a rudimentary knowledge of how engines work.

ZV

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: Nebor
I love everything they make. It's inately wonderful.

I wouldn't drive an X3 though. All the others are wonderful. Leaders in their respective classes in performance, luxury and style. :thumbsup:

The Ultimate Driving Machine (tm).

performance? Leaders? Really?

Style? lmao

Luxury? This stands out b/c?....

keep bashing.. chances are you never drove a bmw..

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: Nebor
I love everything they make. It's inately wonderful.

I wouldn't drive an X3 though. All the others are wonderful. Leaders in their respective classes in performance, luxury and style. :thumbsup:

The Ultimate Driving Machine (tm).

performance? Leaders? Really?

Style? lmao

Luxury? This stands out b/c?....

keep bashing.. chances are you never drove a bmw..

I have actually, and I love the E39...but the new 3/5/6/7 series I just despise.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: dethman
hey if he can dish it out, he can take it too. no need for you to protect his ass.

Not protecting him, just preventing people from judging others based upon what they drive. I've seen it countless times where when someone's comments are questioned, the stupid "oh yeah, well what do you drive?" question comes into play. It doesn't matter is all.

That's true and fair only if the original criticism has some meaningful basis to begin with. There are too many people here with big mouths who talk sh*t all day long about some cars and brands but they drive garbage cars themselves. Which in that case, they should just shut up because there is no substance to begin with.

 

[OS]

Or more simply, if you drive a trash bucket and talk sh*t about other cars, pot meet kettle.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: Nebor
I love everything they make. It's inately wonderful.

I wouldn't drive an X3 though. All the others are wonderful. Leaders in their respective classes in performance, luxury and style. :thumbsup:

The Ultimate Driving Machine (tm).

performance? Leaders? Really?

Style? lmao

Luxury? This stands out b/c?....

keep bashing.. chances are you never drove a bmw..

I have actually, and I love the E39...but the new 3/5/6/7 series I just despise.

so you despise the e46? ahahah... lol..

 

[JulesMaximus]

I've owned BMWs in the past but they are ugly now that Bangle got to them. Not to mention they are very expensive to repair/maintain and they aren't very reliable.

I won't buy any German car out right now. Well, maybe a Porsche.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: mitch2891
I like the new 5, 6, 7 but the new 3 looks pretty nasty.

Would love to own a new M5 but there is no way in hell I could persuade my SO to let me blow that much (we need a nice big house blah blah)

Oh and what is wrong with the high rev limit? I preffer high rev limits to large displacement engines, especially that noise.

No problem with a high rev limit. But it really sucks when an engine doesn't make torque until high RPM, and that's the problem he's citing. Granted, I don't think it's that much of a problem with the M5, but the older engine did make more torque down low in the rev band, and that's where torque is needed.

Gobs of low-RPM torque make an engine give effortless power and pull through anything (as well as helping it to melt the rubber off the tires). When the torque is at high RPM, it's in a place where its essentially useless for the way people drive in real life.

ZV

*cough* S2000 *cough*

 

[GTaudiophile]

The ultimate BMW would have been an M3 version (333hp, 6-speed MT) of the E46 3-series sedan with some subtle exterior trim modifications.

Too bad a loaded E90 3-series will have to come with iDrive.

 

[gscone]

Definetly Love it.

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Cool....do you like it? Gotten used to the I-Drive or is it horrid?[/quote]

 

[gscone]

Stop the Damn bashing. Most people here have not driven or even afford the damn car. Base your comments on real world skills.

 

[V00DOO]

You'll love it until your warranty runs out and have to shell out large $ for maintenance. I own a E39 6 spd 540I and I don't think I'll buy another BMW again.