BMW Heated Seats Subscription Is Real And It Costs $18 Per Month

Kaido

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mindless1

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With the heater element(s) already there, could probably be hacked for manual control. Tap into a circuit live with the ignition, to trigger a relay to supply power with a potentiometer biased transistor in series, varying current to the heater elements.

You could get fancier still, using a proper already-made temperature controller, or a little experimentation with a PTC thermistor to regulate seat temp.

This doesn't even consider hacking the logic to enable the feature, though if they push OTA firmware updates, that could disable it again. This part is what I consider more of a flaw, that things can be remotely changed on your vehicle without your permission... even if it's implied that you consent when making the purchase.
 

Genx87

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I had heard about this coming down the pipe. They want to turn options in a service with recurring revenue. I'm hoping this fails because the price of the care isnt going to change. But the monthly cost will increase.
 

VirtualLarry

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With the heater element(s) already there, could probably be hacked for manual control. Tap into a circuit live with the ignition, to trigger a relay to supply power with a potentiometer biased transistor in series, varying current to the heater elements.

You could get fancier still, using a proper already-made temperature controller, or a little experimentation with a PTC thermistor to regulate seat temp.

This doesn't even consider hacking the logic to enable the feature, though if they push OTA firmware updates, that could disable it again. This part is what I consider more of a flaw, that things can be remotely changed on your vehicle without your permission... even if it's implied that you consent when making the purchase.
But dude... DMCA violation!
 

repoman0

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It’s nothing new, even Mazda does this to lock remote start behind a subscription and has been doing it for years. And just wait until you hear about Tesla charging people $10k for a nonexistent feature.

Certainly not defending it because locking hardware behind software paywalls is gross, but at least a reasonably priced “lifetime” option is available. I love what BMW used to be and that’s why my newest is an 05 designed in the 90s with 90s tech. No over the air updates or remote feature locking for me.
 
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Red Squirrel

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So ridiculous that cars are really going this direction. Isn't it literally just a relay that turns on a heat element? It's completely ridiculous to have to pay per month for that. I would bypass the shit out of that.

Then again I've never owned a vehicle new enough to have heated seats so I don't care that much about that feature, but it's the principle of it.
 

Pacfanweb

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So ridiculous that cars are really going this direction. Isn't it literally just a relay that turns on a heat element? It's completely ridiculous to have to pay per month for that. I would bypass the shit out of that.

Then again I've never owned a vehicle new enough to have heated seats so I don't care that much about that feature, but it's the principle of it.
Yeah, this is some BS. Other than a satellite radio, I'm not paying for a "subscription" to anything that's already IN or ON my car.
Sirius I can understand...just the receiver is in the car, but the service comes from the sky.

Heated seats are already built-in and functional. And you pay a bunch of $$ for a BMW already...then you have to basically rent the heated seats? Good grief. And it's not like that is some fancy new tech, either. That's been around for decades now.
 
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Probably decided to simplify their production lines by including the heated seat elements in every vehicle, but then try to continuing making money by offering it through a subscription or a one-time buy. Not a big fan of consumer-oriented X as a service model. It feels like everything is nickel and dimeing.
 

quikah

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And just wait until you hear about Tesla charging people $10k for a nonexistent feature.

It is $12k now. Also, I just looked and they added another layer to it. There is now a $6k Enhanced Autopilot feature which is separate. That includes autopark (which is so finnicky that it is not worth even using IME, maybe works well for parallel park which I rarely do), summon, navigate on autopilot, auto lanechange. These used to be standard. When I bought my Y last March the FSD was $10K.
 

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Well i paid 10K for autopilot which i probably will never get.
You need a safety score of 100, to get beta.
I live in Los Angeles.

Everyone including grannies cut you off in Los Angeles.
That Dings my safety score, not to mention it also means i can not hard accelerate on my car ever, as it has a G sensor, which if i trip, that also dings my safety score.

This is my safety score which i consider myself a excellent driver.
No tickets, no accidents in past 20yrs.
Never gonna see autopilot on my car ever at this rate.

I'll probably honestly end up selling my next car before my model S even gets real functioning Autopilot.
At least BMW gives you a functioning feature.

Tesla... not so.... and they managed to get away with it since 2016.
 
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Kaido

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Tesla... not so.... and they managed to get away with it since 2016.

Like...I think it's coming. But personally I don't see it happening for 5 or really 10 years. Like how does software handle a granny cutting you off in stop & go traffic as smoothly as you would to keep the flow going?

I got burned on my Jeep Renegade a few years back. Everyone warned me not to get a Jeep, and of course, I went out & got a first-generation model. So I learned one, don't buy first-generation hardware, two, for me, Jeep's customer service was pretty lousy, which unfortunately really turned me off to the brand, and three, only buy stuff as it exists today. There are some exceptions, of course, but I've learned to be prepared for what I pay for (like I joined up on the Anova Precision Oven on the first batch & hit some teething issues, but I expected it!).

I do think Autopilot is a good long-term investment, but if you're not planning on keeping the car long-term, then unless you can use the features as they exist today, then it may not be worth it for you. I plan on getting a Cybertruck specifically for the 500-mile battery, and I'll probably spring for Autopilot up-front just because I plan on keeping it long-term, so if they get AP sorted out 5 or 10 years from them, awesome! But yeah, I think Autopilot is a much more complex problem than Musk realized...like launching rockets into space is literally easier than figuring out how to do true self-driving cars!
 

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I am honestly done with Tesla's.

Tesla's are not your car. Its Elon's car, its the car he wants, not the car you want.

Im saving up for a McLaren 720S.
That will be my retirement car... or whatever McLaren model is out in about 10yrs.
But i am done with Tesla.
I tell everyone treat them almost like they are disposable, so definitely no more S or X or any Tesla's unless possibly a Y or a 3 for me in the future.

I bet you the cybertruck will not cost anything they promised it will cost when it does come out.
Expect at least a 33% markup from the initial promised price. As Elon would go... "woof woof" and the prices on everything goes up.
 

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Yeah everything I read about Tesla makes me not want one even if I could afford it. Unfortunately it seems a lot of cars are going this route now, and lot of products in general, where they want to tie to some cloud account or something and you don't really have full control. Really hate this crap. I want to own my products and have full control over it and have no outside connections to anything. That includes stuff that requires apps. You don't really own it in a sense. If they stop updating that app or the server goes down you're done for.
 

Torn Mind

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You already pay taxes and fees. What does it matter if private companies charge their own tax for something that is "yours" but kind of not yours.
 

Kaido

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Saw this the other day, and I can't say I'm surprised. BMW drivers seem to be from a different planet.


On a tangent, I didn't know they were called self-cancelling blinkers, for the ones that automatically turn off when turning the wheel back to center! Seriously the best invention ever for my ADHD lol. Side note, the triple-blinker is one of my favorite features on my Mustang, it really tickles me haha:

 

Kaido

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Yeah everything I read about Tesla makes me not want one even if I could afford it. Unfortunately it seems a lot of cars are going this route now, and lot of products in general, where they want to tie to some cloud account or something and you don't really have full control. Really hate this crap. I want to own my products and have full control over it and have no outside connections to anything. That includes stuff that requires apps. You don't really own it in a sense. If they stop updating that app or the server goes down you're done for.

My buddy ran an OTA software update on his Model 3 & bricked it lol. Whole thing basically had a BSOD. We couldn't even shift it into neutral to move it out of his driveway. Tow truck had to get creative lol. It was a hilariously awful experience!
 

Kaido

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You already pay taxes and fees. What does it matter if private companies charge their own tax for something that is "yours" but kind of not yours.

Because the other things make sense. Taxes go to things like road maintenance. With a car, you bought the car. The car has hardware in it. You bought the car. You own the car. You own the hardware in the car. It's YOUR hardware. You ALREADY paid for it!

Tesla's business model is different. You pay an annual fee to pay for the ongoing development & maintenance of features that are continually updated by a paid team of programmers: new self-driving features, new GUI features, etc. They have their own custom navigation system, they've added auto-lane-change into the Autopilot system, they've added video games, karaoke, etc. So you're paying for a service, especially ones where NEW features are being added, rather than access to existing hardware that performs a specific function, such as heated seats, which you've already paid for.

With that said, the article in the OP said that the estimates are saying that Car DLC will be a $23 billion service industry within a decade, so my assumption is that this kind of nonsense is only going to get worse. Like, there are some things I don't mind paying for. If you have a remote-start keyfob, you shouldn't have to pay for that. But if you have a remote-start app that includes cellular remote start, GPS tracking for your car, etc., then it makes sense to pay for that because you have an LTE modem in your car that is costing money for wireless line access, software applications in the cloud, the car, and for iOS/Android that require ongoing programmer maintenance for support & security, thus it requires paychecks & overhead, rather than just a static keyfob that already exists with no support system required.

What I CAN see them doing is creating a universal model with DLC unlocks. Like the old Celerons that were actually neutered Pentium chips. Tesla took this route by adding rear heated seats to ALL of their cars, which came standard as a higher-trim feature, but was also upgradable as a one-time DLC unlock via an OTA upgrade. So if you bought a base version to save money & had kids, but then your kids got older & got out of their car seats, you could purchase that later. Which is still dumb, but given car economics, makes sense:


What doesn't make sense to me is a monthly payment for those features. With the Tesla model, you bought & paid for specific features within the particular trim you purchased. Then later, if you want to turn on features you DIDN'T pay for, you could do so, which is kind of neat to have sort of a "universal model", just like how if you don't want to buy Autopilot up-front, but want to buy it later, you can use the existing hardware to pay for a new-to-you feature. Whereas with BMW, they're offering a monthly subscription fee. Note that they also offer a one-time purchase fee for the heated seats, similar to Tesla.

It gets a little fuzzy because it's weird that Tesla would include rear heated seats on a more basic trim, but then have you pay to activate it later. Production-wise, it makes sense, because then they just have to produce a single model & then you chose the trim & price point, then can add to it later OTA with no shop visit required for hardware installation. Overall, to me, it just feels incredibly offense to have the heated seat hardware installed in a car you purchased & then have to pay an additional monthly fee to use something that doesn't require a programmer support team, a vehicle cellular modem, etc.
 

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Saw this the other day, and I can't say I'm surprised. BMW drivers seem to be from a different planet.

Maybe some, but not all. I have been using this feature on my car for over a decade.

On topic, if I ever have to replace my car, I certainly won't be buying anything that requires a subscription to activate a built-in feature of the car. We as consumers need to squash that line of thinking up front by not giving them our business.
 
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Torn Mind

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Because the other things make sense. Taxes go to things like road maintenance. With a car, you bought the car. The car has hardware in it. You bought the car. You own the car. You own the hardware in the car. It's YOUR hardware. You ALREADY paid for it!

Tesla's business model is different. You pay an annual fee to pay for the ongoing development & maintenance of features that are continually updated by a paid team of programmers: new self-driving features, new GUI features, etc. They have their own custom navigation system, they've added auto-lane-change into the Autopilot system, they've added video games, karaoke, etc. So you're paying for a service, especially ones where NEW features are being added, rather than access to existing hardware that performs a specific function, such as heated seats, which you've already paid for.

With that said, the article in the OP said that the estimates are saying that Car DLC will be a $23 billion service industry within a decade, so my assumption is that this kind of nonsense is only going to get worse. Like, there are some things I don't mind paying for. If you have a remote-start keyfob, you shouldn't have to pay for that. But if you have a remote-start app that includes cellular remote start, GPS tracking for your car, etc., then it makes sense to pay for that because you have an LTE modem in your car that is costing money for wireless line access, software applications in the cloud, the car, and for iOS/Android that require ongoing programmer maintenance for support & security, thus it requires paychecks & overhead, rather than just a static keyfob that already exists with no support system required.

What I CAN see them doing is creating a universal model with DLC unlocks. Like the old Celerons that were actually neutered Pentium chips. Tesla took this route by adding rear heated seats to ALL of their cars, which came standard as a higher-trim feature, but was also upgradable as a one-time DLC unlock via an OTA upgrade. So if you bought a base version to save money & had kids, but then your kids got older & got out of their car seats, you could purchase that later. Which is still dumb, but given car economics, makes sense:


What doesn't make sense to me is a monthly payment for those features. With the Tesla model, you bought & paid for specific features within the particular trim you purchased. Then later, if you want to turn on features you DIDN'T pay for, you could do so, which is kind of neat to have sort of a "universal model", just like how if you don't want to buy Autopilot up-front, but want to buy it later, you can use the existing hardware to pay for a new-to-you feature. Whereas with BMW, they're offering a monthly subscription fee. Note that they also offer a one-time purchase fee for the heated seats, similar to Tesla.

It gets a little fuzzy because it's weird that Tesla would include rear heated seats on a more basic trim, but then have you pay to activate it later. Production-wise, it makes sense, because then they just have to produce a single model & then you chose the trim & price point, then can add to it later OTA with no shop visit required for hardware installation. Overall, to me, it just feels incredibly offense to have the heated seat hardware installed in a car you purchased & then have to pay an additional monthly fee to use something that doesn't require a programmer support team, a vehicle cellular modem, etc.
I didn't put the sarcasm tag in, but it was intended. Subscriptions for features do suck.

Cars have always be an industry that needed eventual obsolescence. With EVs, many points of failure that would motivate a new car purchase are simply just gone. If there is no need to get a new car, that means the companies don't have the money to make new ones. So subscriptions might wind up being the "private tax" to keep companies alive. Just like how ink is what printing companies make their profits from.
 
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