Bob Woodward: Trump's aides stole his papers 'to protect the country'

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sactoking

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I mean seriously, what does CNN have to do to finally be fully discredited? And this is not a left/right thing...

Asserts that CNN is an organization without credit by nonpartisan measures.

CNN is a hardcore left leaning news organization with literally thousands of fake news.

Backs up assertion by claiming its lack of credit is due to its partisan nature.

Still has not provided any objective backup for the assertion that CNN is disreputable.
 

Moonbeam

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In another thread I suggested I thought that the military would step in to prevent a major Trump national disaster. Seems it's been going on for a while. We have a quiet coup. You gotta just love sanity or partial sanity anyway.
 

dingster1

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Well, we all know the answers to why he hasn't been removed yet--the question is when can we be honest with ourselves for why Trump's "administration" is allowed to persist?

The absence of presidential leadership is a feature for the GOP Congress...not a bug. The absence of executive branch ethics, checks and balances is a feature for the GOP donor class, not a bug. They all see what Putin sees--a useful idiot who can be instrumental in implementing their agenda without question, without equivocation, without real thought. The only requirement is that they get someone in a room with him (either in the White House, but preferably at Mar A Lago or Bedminster or out on a green somewhere) and get them to frame the idea or argument in a way that Trump can later claim it was his idea all along, and let him take credit for it. They all know that at some point the clown car will come to a stop, the party will have to end, and hopefully they'll all get to grab a musical chair or a plea bargain while Trump and the worst of his cronies are hung out to dry. But in the meantime, get those judges appointed, get those cushy business deals secured, and tear up all the regulations and red tape in the way!

Exactly this.
 

Paratus

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Asserts that CNN is an organization without credit by nonpartisan measures.



Backs up assertion by claiming its lack of credit is due to its partisan nature.

Still has not provided any objective backup for the assertion that CNN is disreputable.

I mean seriously what does Gurn have to do to finally be fully discredited? And this is definitely a right thing....

Gurn is a hardcore right leaning troll with literally 342 posts of fake news.
 
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fskimospy

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What is unreasonable is you calling conservatives in the USA unreasonable. Who made you the arbiter of truth?

You just declared that CNN was ‘100% hardcore left and there’s no point in debating it’. Do you not note the irony in the above statement? Haha.

And this is the big issue with politics in general everywhere in the world, its never a honest and factual debate on a specific issue/s, its always how evil and bad the other side are, while your side is perfect.

You have provided no facts so be the change you want to see.

I think the bigger threat in the West right now are leftist, I think they are more unreasonable. We've seen all the SJW stuff, all the PC stuff, all the shutting down of free speech, censoring and calls for boycotting people/businesses with opposing views, all the violence and rioting, the microaggressions, all of this crazy stuff.

Of course what this has done is make people on the opposite side more extreme as well. But its a FACT that liberal elites control the media in the USA and schools and colleges are left wing controlled and they are the ones brainwashing kids into being SJW snowflakes and single issue slave voters for the democratic party!

Considering you just said that the problem with politics is how people concentrate on how bad and evil the other side is this is orettt ironic.

Also if you think liberal elites control the media you have a lot of learning to do.

All of this has caused conservatives to become more extreme and they will keep becoming more extreme as a reaction to leftist already being extreme.

Nope, ideological polarization in the US is almost entirely the right becoming far more extreme. Here’s a first order (economic) DW-NOMINATE breakdown of shifting ideology over time. 1 is max conservative and -1 is max liberal. In the 1970’s Republicans were at about +0.2 and Democrats -0.3. Now, Democrats are about -0.4 and Republicans are at +0.7.

In short, conservatives in America have become radicalized to an extent the US has never seen before.

 

Uhtrinity

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It should not be lost the Woodward has said he recorded everything. He apparently can back all of this up.

Both Mattis and Kelley have denied they made negative comments about Trump and went as far as to release official statements. So unless Woodward releases a tape of them making those comment this book will be in doubt. For the record, I want it to be true, but evidence is needed in these two cases.
 

Thebobo

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Bob Woodward and CNN, is this any more credible than bigfoot reporting?

I mean seriously, what does CNN have to do to finally be fully discredited? And this is not a left/right thing, I'm not from the USA, but I wouldn't call MSNBC fake news, because they don't falsely claim to be objective and neutral. They are hardcore left and proud of it, so you know what you are getting, CNN on the other hand lies and says they are neutral, when any decent person no matter left or right knows they are hardcore left wing.

There is no such thing as bigfoot.

I am a decent person and;
Bob Woodward Is credible
CNN is credible
MSNBC is not hard core left.
CNN is not hard core left.
 

vi edit

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There is no such thing as bigfoot.

I am a decent person and;
Bob Woodward Is credible
CNN is credible
MSNBC is not hard core left.
CNN is not hard core left.

You have to understand that in this bold new post-fact propagandized era, anything left of Fox News is hard core left.
 

Guru

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You have to understand that in this bold new post-fact propagandized era, anything left of Fox News is hard core left.
What in hell? If MSNBC isn't far left, what does that make for example the daily beast, huffpost, washingtonpost, etc...? If MSNBC is not far left, then the huffpost is a conservative media, so is daily beast and washpost and dailycos and salon and the rest of them.
 

woolfe9998

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Predictably, IL Duce wants to change libel laws so he can get "retribution" on people like Woodward:

Isn’t it a shame that someone can write an article or book, totally make up stories and form a picture of a person that is literally the exact opposite of the fact, and get away with it without retribution or cost. Don’t know why Washington politicians don’t change libel laws?
 

Guru

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what point did you make and when did you make it?
The point about the left not willing to debate and using name calling essentially to smear their opposition, rather than engage in a meaningful, honest and factual debate.

It took him like reading few posts of mine to resort to name calling and insulting me.
 

soundforbjt

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The point about the left not willing to debate and using name calling essentially to smear their opposition, rather than engage in a meaningful, honest and factual debate.

It took him like reading few posts of mine to resort to name calling and insulting me.
Then why aren’t you debating post #131, he didn’t call you any names.
 

hal2kilo

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Both Mattis and Kelley have denied they made negative comments about Trump and went as far as to release official statements. So unless Woodward releases a tape of them making those comment this book will be in doubt. For the record, I want it to be true, but evidence is needed in these two cases.
At this point, what else would you expect them to say. They are still in the thick of it.
 
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