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Zorba

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You think any business interests that protected their money in that way had to be run by the mob? I mean ever hear of rich corrupt people just protecting their interests? The world is a pretty ugly place, and that goes way way beyond anything mob related btw.
Take it to the conspiracy thread. Literally no top management at Boeing was at risk from that lawsuit.
 
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The more I learn about Corporate Washington state, the less I disbelieve.

Amazon and Starbucks come to mind as far as dirty tricks. Why not Boeing?
 
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They've only been there for two years. I maintain they still have the Seattle mindset.

(And when did Wiki change page formats?)

OK, never mind. That was the crippled mobile version. The real version looks normal.
 

sdifox

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They've only been there for two years. I maintain they still have the Seattle mindset.

(And when did Wiki change page formats?)

OK, never mind. That was the crippled mobile version. The real version looks normal.

yeah sure, only WA has crooked corporations
 
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MrSquished

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Take it to the conspiracy thread. Literally no top management at Boeing was at risk from that lawsuit.
Ok so Boeing had no real bad press at the time and no interest in keeping a lower profile from other negative news relating to their mishaps. Interesting. Corporations would never do anything like that unless they are run by the mob. As if right? I mean what kind of uncivilized society do we live in anyway? This shit just doesn't happen. Clearly nobody else would do such a thing but the mob. I gotcha.
 

Zorba

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They've only been there for two years. I maintain they still have the Seattle mindset.

(And when did Wiki change page formats?)

OK, never mind. That was the crippled mobile version. The real version looks normal.
They were in Chicago for about 20 years before that.
 
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Zorba

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Ok so Boeing had no real bad press at the time and no interest in keeping a lower profile from other negative news relating to their mishaps. Interesting. Corporations would never do anything like that unless they are run by the mob. As if right? I mean what kind of uncivilized society do we live in anyway? This shit just doesn't happen. Clearly nobody else would do such a thing but the mob. I gotcha.
Okay, whatever. If you want to believe that corporations go around killing people over small value lawsuits, go ahead. This guy was likely whining about improper paperwork and MRB tags he didn't agree with, not things that were going to bring Boeing down or even get much news compared to a door coming off in flight.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Boeing is spending millions fixing quality issues on the 787s prior to delivery that he was claiming they were delivering with defects. But I'm sure they offed him over basically a wrongful termination suit, when all the info he had was already public and they had already stopped deliveries to fix issues.
 

Zorba

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Remember tho this kind of stuff is normal, should be ignored, plz keep flying so ppl keep their jobs.
Said literally no one. In this case, it appears the reporting process did it's job and they found the issue and are correcting it. Hopefully they figure out the real root cause and implement a proper systemic solution.
 

MrSquished

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Said literally no one. In this case, it appears the reporting process did it's job and they found the issue and are correcting it. Hopefully they figure out the real root cause and implement a proper systemic solution.
Yeah it really appears to be working well, now that the truth of their willful misconduct is starting to leak out. I fail to see how you can spin that kind of positivity out of that report.
 

Paratus

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Yeah it really appears to be working well, now that the truth of their willful misconduct is starting to leak out. I fail to see how you can spin that kind of positivity out of that report.
Oh you sweet summer child. If you only had an idea of how many verification tests on any given engineering project are missed, dropped, or reduced. Granted most aren’t falsified but occasionally they are.

When that happens you have to decide whether to redo the test, if it’s even possible, find some other way to justify the lack of the completed test, or accept extra risk.

The undeniably good part of this story is Boeing upper management is now saying/doing the right things. Skipping tests isn’t acceptable, they notified the regulator, and identified where in the process they could buy down the risk from the missing test.

This is step one to trying to right the ship at Boeing. They have a lot of steps to go.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
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Yeah it really appears to be working well, now that the truth of their willful misconduct is starting to leak out. I fail to see how you can spin that kind of positivity out of that report.
It didn't leak out, Boeing management sent it out and told everyone. I guess you'd prefer the hide their problems and not fix them?
 

Zorba

Lifer
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Oh you sweet summer child. If you only had an idea of how many verification tests on any given engineering project are missed, dropped, or reduced. Granted most aren’t falsified but occasionally they are.

When that happens you have to decide whether to redo the test, if it’s even possible, find some other way to justify the lack of the completed test, or accept extra risk.

The undeniably good part of this story is Boeing upper management is now saying/doing the right things. Skipping tests isn’t acceptable, they notified the regulator, and identified where in the process they could buy down the risk from the missing test.

This is step one to trying to right the ship at Boeing. They have a lot of steps to go.
I agree with you, but in commercial you can't accept additional risk. You must show an equivalent level of safety.
 

MrSquished

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It didn't leak out, Boeing management sent it out and told everyone. I guess you'd prefer the hide their problems and not fix them

Not at all. I have to appreciate that after all the bad press they're now trying to get ahead of their corruption a bit out of necessity.

Let's hope they keep this up because it doesn't seem to be in their DNA.
 
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Reminds me of what my company is doing. They outsourced our financial app development to a sister company who clearly wanted "free" money. More than two years later, the issues preventing it from going into production weren't fixed still so the board decided, "Launch the damn thing into production and the team (mainly the guinea pigs that are us) will do internal testing to weed out the issues before GA release". It's been over two weeks now and we are still finding out embarrassing issues that shouldn't have been in there in the first place. Any other place in the world, the sister company's contract would've been terminated with the utmost prejudice, plus some sort of lawsuit to get back the wasted money and hold the incompetent people liable. But in a land where money flows more freely than oil, NO ONE CARES!
 
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