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crashtech

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That brings up another point. Even though MCAS was stupidly implemented on the MAX, both of those planes were savable. American pilots in particular are well trained to recognize and deal with runaway trim conditions. In fact, it's been a "memory item" forever on the 737, so critical is it to safety:


Not to throw those poor pilots under the bus (it wasn't their fault their training sucked) but it's very likely that had those MCAS malfunctions occurred domestically, no one would have died.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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1. I never said he was a dummy. He seems smart and believable.

2. I never said he was ignoring MCAS issues. What I am saying is that his concerns do not have anything to do with MCAS.

3. There is ample evidence that MCAS malfunctions were the triggers for both accidents. A big contributing factor was that many overseas pilots are poorly trained.

4. There is NO evidence AT ALL that anything else on the plane besides the runaway trim was malfunctioning. As far as investigators can determine, the engines and flights controls were operational right up until the crash.
On 4, technically they had AoA vane faults, too.
 

crashtech

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On 4, technically they had AoA vane faults, too.
Oh, yes, absolutely. My mistake. I guess I was including that in MCAS in my mind when it does a lot of other things as well. Since it was redundant, the other sensor would have been adequate to fly the plane, though.
 
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sdifox

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CEO gone. I hope he gets charged with criminal negligence causing death. Could have prevented the second crash.

 

Muse

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CEO gone. I hope he gets charged with criminal negligence causing death. Could have prevented the second crash.

Don't count on it. Seems like the top brass is usually protected somehow. Sucks. But I agree, if it's clear that the CEO was criminally negligent, his head should roll (so to speak).
 
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