Bolsonaro declares Brazil's 'liberation from socialism' as he is sworn in

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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Well, Brazil will be a fine example of rightwing fascism where all the Trumpists will feel more comfortable living by 2020.
 

Moonbeam

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Frustrated animals will start to chew their bodies. Humans in the same condition vote for a similar form of misery.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
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I'm hoping Brazil will be held up as a modern example of the ideal fascist state, similar to how Venezuela is the ideal socialist state.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Bolsonaro is an authoritarian strongman. Trump will start the compliments in 5, 4, 3, 2....
 

kage69

Lifer
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Well, Brazil will be a fine example of rightwing fascism where all the Trumpists will feel more comfortable living by 2020.

Worked for the Confederados, although they had to give up the slaves eventually. Nice warm weather alternative for Trump voting Putin fluffers who don't like Russian winters.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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I had a high school friend that had a widowed Brazilian mother who worked for the world bank. For whatever reason, he had dual citizens rights or something to that effect. To avoid the draft during the Vietnam war he went to Brazil (72-73). Well, he would sent letters and some of the letters would have sections cut out of them and the like. It turned out that at that time Brazil was a full blown fascist state, and he did not like it there, and eventually ended up in Canada.
Brazil's just returning to its fascist roots now that Trump, with the aid of the meddling Russians has made fascism fashionable again.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I had a high school friend that had a widowed Brazilian mother who worked for the world bank. For whatever reason, he had dual citizens rights or something to that effect. To avoid the draft during the Vietnam war he went to Brazil (72-73). Well, he would sent letters and some of the letters would have sections cut out of them and the like. It turned out that at that time Brazil was a full blown fascist state, and he did not like it there, and eventually ended up in Canada.
Brazil's just returning to its fascist roots now that Trump, with the aid of the meddling Russians has made fascism fashionable again.

No one cares, the OP hit the eject button on this thread and is looking for his next thing to be concerned about while knowing nothing about the subject at hand.
 
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hal2kilo

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No one cares, the OP hit the eject button on this thread and is looking for his next thing to be concerned about while knowing nothing about the subject at hand.
I'd wish he find some other shiny object news source. It's nice to know that he cares so much though.
 
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That's a shame (Brazil's political situation), but not surprising. South American politics consistently seems to skew towards rampant corruption and they bounce between extremes, making little real progress. But I think that's exactly the type of situation that Republicans desire here, as the wealthy can afford protection and can jet off to other better regions to get health care or if things get too crazy (there's a reason they've been buying up land in places like New Zealand).
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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That's a shame (Brazil's political situation), but not surprising. South American politics consistently seems to skew towards rampant corruption and they bounce between extremes, making little real progress. But I think that's exactly the type of situation that Republicans desire here, as the wealthy can afford protection and can jet off to other better regions to get health care or if things get too crazy (there's a reason they've been buying up land in places like New Zealand).

Not in New Zealand. Well, not anymore-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/new-zealand-bans-most-foreigners-from-buying-homes.html
 

colonel

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Apr 22, 2001
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during these past years of Lula socialist Brazil went down, one of victims of Lula Regime was insecurity. Today Brazil is own by NARCOS, they own town and terrorized people and "favelas" on the other hand there are paramilitary units killing civilians. I was in Brazil a few times, I was on the beaches, city and countryside, a few little towns dont have good water systems. I m not against or favor for this Bolsonado, I hope this Brazil get ahead and recover.
 

Sunburn74

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during these past years of Lula socialist Brazil went down, one of victims of Lula Regime was insecurity. Today Brazil is own by NARCOS, they own town and terrorized people and "favelas" on the other hand there are paramilitary units killing civilians. I was in Brazil a few times, I was on the beaches, city and countryside, a few little towns dont have good water systems. I m not against or favor for this Bolsonado, I hope this Brazil get ahead and recover.
When in history have guys like bolsinaro ever worked out?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Brazil is gonna be like Jonestown II when all the Trumptards need a new home and a new messiah to suck off after the asshole here is tossed out of office.
 

brandonbull

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Brazil is gonna be like Jonestown II when all the Trumptards need a new home and a new messiah to suck off after the asshole here is tossed out of office.

You keep supporting the party that wants to end democracy and freedom and your prediction probably will come true. Do you buy the toilet paper that has different parts of the Constitution printed on each sheet?
 

Commodus

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You keep supporting the party that wants to end democracy and freedom and your prediction probably will come true. Do you buy the toilet paper that has different parts of the Constitution printed on each sheet?

At last check the Democrats weren't the ones gerrymandering districts en masse, creating voter ID laws that disenfranchise minorities or supporting a President who desperately wishes he could do away with the First Amendment.

Look, we all know you prefer to live in a fantasy land where the sky is red, grass is purple and 'democracy' means eternal one-party Republican rule, but please don't think anyone here is going to join you.
 

BurnItDwn

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Been to Brazil a few times in my life since it's where the wife is from.

Shit-hole is an understatement - But I mean...It's hard to find a country that isn't a shithole in South America at this point though to be honest. The amount of corruption in all of South America is simply off the charts to the point of putting Africa to shame. I'm not sure if turning more towards the right is the answer, but it's definitely a change from where they had previously turned.

Part of the election results undoubtedly comes from Venezuela for sure. Not saying it's the main one though.
Chile & Uruguay are supposedly not too far behind the US. Though, they are quite far from Scandanavia. (note: this is from 2016 and surely biased to some degree.)

https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016
 

UglyCasanova

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creating voter ID laws that disenfranchise minorities


I don’t know a single person that doesn’t have an ID. And they’re incredibly easy to get on the bizarre chance they don’t have one. I don’t believe mass voter fraud occurs, but this is such a strange thing to fight so hard. We can’t buy cigarettes without an ID, is it too much of a burden to require when casting a vote? Confidence in the integrity of our elections is critical in a functioning democracy. This seems like a no brainer. Even if there’s not mass fraud it eliminates the question and makes people trust the system.
 

brycejones

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I don’t know a single person that doesn’t have an ID. And they’re incredibly easy to get on the bizarre chance they don’t have one. I don’t believe mass voter fraud occurs, but this is such a strange thing to fight so hard. We can’t buy cigarettes without an ID, is it too much of a burden to require when casting a vote? Confidence in the integrity of our elections is critical in a functioning democracy. This seems like a no brainer. Even if there’s not mass fraud it eliminates the question and makes people trust the system.

Typical Conservative response. I don't personally know a thing so therefore it really isn't a problem.

As far as your question goes educate yourself. It has been addressed dozens of times in many threads here (I'm sure you haven't missed them over the years) and more information is just a short google search away. Start with something like "problems with voter id laws". A piece by the ACLU and a Wired article from this year should be high in the pages returned.
 

Commodus

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I don’t know a single person that doesn’t have an ID. And they’re incredibly easy to get on the bizarre chance they don’t have one. I don’t believe mass voter fraud occurs, but this is such a strange thing to fight so hard. We can’t buy cigarettes without an ID, is it too much of a burden to require when casting a vote? Confidence in the integrity of our elections is critical in a functioning democracy. This seems like a no brainer. Even if there’s not mass fraud it eliminates the question and makes people trust the system.

Just because you don't know people without IDs doesn't mean they don't exist. And frequently, the IDs chosen are ones that poorer minorities are less likely to have. Remember, those laws are being created specifically to reduce the number of minority voters, not to prevent voter fraud.

It's really not hard to verify someone's identity without requiring ID as stringent as those laws. In some countries, you can frequently use things like utility bills to corroborate the identity on a voter registration card. The point being, you have a right to vote -- it should be as easy as possible so long as you have some proof that you are who you say you are.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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When in history have guys like bolsinaro ever worked out?

Looks like Lula's back

 
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sandorski

No Lifer
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Would not be surprised if Lula ends up dead. Chaos will reign if he does though.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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I'm not sure Lula is the answer for Brazil but I have no doubt voters are looking for anyone that doesn't fuck up so bad that 500K and counting Brazilians are dead from denial and abject stupidity.
 

Meghan54

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I don’t know a single person that doesn’t have an ID. And they’re incredibly easy to get on the bizarre chance they don’t have one. I don’t believe mass voter fraud occurs, but this is such a strange thing to fight so hard. We can’t buy cigarettes without an ID, is it too much of a burden to require when casting a vote? Confidence in the integrity of our elections is critical in a functioning democracy. This seems like a no brainer. Even if there’s not mass fraud it eliminates the question and makes people trust the system.

OK…I’ve shared this before, but here goes again.

I bought a house back in 2013 and one of my neighbors is a black woman 78 years old. Born on a sharecroppers’ farm, no birth certificate ever issued since she’d never been to a shop after birth.
Family did eventually get a very of live birth years after she’d been born—had to have it to get into school.

Fast forward to 2013…she’s trying to register to vote. She’s never driven nor had a DL. She can REGISTER to vote because she’s got elect bill, water bill in her name…there’s a long list of acceptable docs that can be used to register—-buuuuuuut…..

But she CANNOT vote because she’s had extreme difficulty in obtaining a “Smart” ID, as required by GA as the only acceptable ID for voting identification—not registration. No birth certificate that can be ordered via that birth certificate on-line thing—both my wife and I used the same thing to obtain ours. Thankfully, both of us have DL’s so it was vastly easier. Her? No listing as she never had an “official” birth certificate.

So I personally spent days with her and one of her daughters (who was having to take time off from her LPN school she was attending to do this with significant pushback from the school), driving first to her birth county then to various agencies in Atlanta.

Unfortunately, I eventually gave up smashing my head into the intentionally built obstacles Republican have placed in the voting Regis/ID requirements. Gotta obtain birth cert. from one acceptable place, gotta have “REAL” ID or is it “Secure” ID—I forget—to vote, no other ID acceptable.

Why? Who knows why a literal ton of identification is acceptable to register yet only one form is acceptable for proving yourself at the polls. I mean WTF? For instance,university issued photo ID good to register to vote yet is no good to ID yourself at polls. Again, WTF?

I know you’ll probably call this an edge case, and it is, but does that matter? Shouldn’t.
 
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sandorski

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OK…I’ve shared this before, but here goes again.

I bought a house back in 2013 and one of my neighbors is a black woman 78 years old. Born on a sharecroppers’ farm, no birth certificate ever issued since she’d never been to a shop after birth.
Family did eventually get a very of live birth years after she’d been born—had to have it to get into school.

Fast forward to 2013…she’s trying to register to vote. She’s never driven nor had a DL. She can REGISTER to vote because she’s got elect bill, water bill in her name…there’s a long list of acceptable docs that can be used to register—-buuuuuuut…..

But she CANNOT vote because she’s had extreme difficulty in obtaining a “Smart” ID, as required by GA as the only acceptable ID for voting identification—not registration. No birth certificate that can be ordered via that birth certificate on-line thing—both my wife and I used the same thing to obtain ours. Thankfully, both of us have DL’s so it was vastly easier. Her? No listing as she never had an “official” birth certificate.

So I personally spent days with her and one of her daughters (who was having to take time off from her LPN school she was attending to do this with significant pushback from the school), driving first to her birth county then to various agencies in Atlanta.

Unfortunately, I eventually gave up smashing my head into the intentionally built obstacles Republican have placed in the voting Regis/ID requirements. Gotta obtain birth cert. from one acceptable place, gotta have “REAL” ID or is it “Secure” ID—I forget—to vote, no other ID acceptable.

Why? Who knows why a literal ton of identification is acceptable to register yet only one form is acceptable for proving yourself at the polls. I mean WTF? For instance,university issued photo ID good to register to vote yet is no good to ID yourself at polls. Again, WTF?

I know you’ll probably call this an edge case, and it is, but does that matter? Shouldn’t.

They don't take too kindly to your kind around There.
 
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