Bonds and 755 ... and Beyond

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Juno
let him break the record. i predict a-rod will break his record. he's only 32 and is one home run short of 500.

Yes; A-Rod should break the record easily if he continues to play and doesn't get caught up in an injury / early retirement situation.


:thumbsdown:Barry Bonds:thumbsdown: will never be the HR King in my eyes

 

[txrandom]

Steroids doesn't improve your swing.

 

[Mermaidman]

If I were Bonds, this is what I'd do: hit my 756th, but instead of rounding the bases, I'd step on 3rd, then leave the ballpark into the sunset.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: txrandom
Steroids doesn't improve your swing.

It improves your bat speed. Giving one a little bit longer time before needing to swing. Also, the ball is hit with more power allowing the ball to travel further(home runs) and ground balls to get by infielders more quickly.

 

[Chadder007]

Somone needs to bean his hands.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
If I were Bonds, this is what I'd do: hit my 756th, but instead of rounding the bases, I'd step on 3rd, then leave the ballpark into the sunset.

hahahha yeah...sure.

bonds only cares about himself all he wants is to break teh record. he does not care about his team or anything else.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Out of reverence to a real icon of American athletics I think all teams from here on out should intentionally walk Bonds at every at bat until he quits.

Exactly!

My thoughts are, he cheated and his record shouldn't count. That goes for all steroid users, too.

If I caught #755 or #756 I would pour lighter fluid on it and set it on fire. But I won't catch it cause I'm not going to go across the country just to watch a cheater cheat his way into the record books.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: txrandom
Steroids doesn't improve your swing.

It improves your bat speed. Giving one a little bit longer time before needing to swing. Also, the ball is hit with more power allowing the ball to travel further(home runs) and ground balls to get by infielders more quickly.

Essentially covered it. Also, take a look at the HUGE number of flyouts that are taken at the track cause "normal" hitters missed the ball by a bit. Give someone some 'roids, you get that extra 4+ feet to tack onto his asterisk-worthy record.

Overall, I'm not sure how many roidies there are, but take a look at some players and they are obviously disproportionately muscular. *cough* Bonds.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: HighPsi50
I guess the crux of the question is .... "If Bonds did indeed use steroids, how much did it help him?"

The guesstimate I came up with a while ago is 600-650 HR for Bonds without steroids, considering the late career surge (insane 2001-2004) and replacing it with a reasonable decline. Since then, I've seen a similar projection from somebody else writing for a one of the sabermetric sites, although his methodology was heavy on looking at increased HR distance, which I feel is *really* speculative and mostly a load of crap.

I think if he had made it close to 650, he would have desperately hung on (even if it meant DH'ing) to try and pass 660, since he has a hard-on for Willie Mays.

 

[imported_Baloo]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Well, nobody has proved in the court of law that Bonds used steroids. Up until now, all I've seen is some people say this and that in interviews/books (most likely being paid for the interviews/books too). Until somebody proved beyond reasonable doubt that Barry Bonds uses steroids, he should be treated like anybody else in the baseball and his records should be respected.

But if MBL is interested in the integrity of the game, they should do something to either prove or disprove Bonds's guilt and give him the proper respect if he is not guilty or kick him off the league if he is. The way this thing is going, there will always gonna be people questioning him, the record and the league, and that's not a good thing.

Wiat a sec. Did not Bonds himself admit to steroid use? That is proof enough, I woud think, since there was no duress pushing him to admit it.

 

[A5]

A-Rod is going to destroy the record once Bonds sets it anyway - I'd be shocked if he held it for more than 8 seasons after this one.

 

[Pho King]

Man, the Bonds hate is strong in this thread! Anyway, for all of those calling out for ARod to beat the HR record - he may not be as clean as you hoped

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2953302

Yes, it's Canseco again, he's an idiot, but he's been right on more than one occasion.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: Pho King
Man, the Bonds hate is strong in this thread! Anyway, for all of those calling out for ARod to beat the HR record - he may not be as clean as you hoped

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2953302

Yes, it's Canseco again, he's an idiot, but he's been right on more than one occasion.

hahaha, Jose is back in book-selling mode.

Regardless of what he eventually says, it's obvious that the body type test is worthless. Physical appearance means almost nothing, Jason Grimsley and Benito Santiago wouldn't haven't been picked out of a lineup, but they were guilty. Nothing would surprise me, including some of the fattest players in the league being on something. As long as you keep eating and boozing like a hog, you can stay fat regardless of the hormones you're taking.

Same goes for the NFL.

 

[PinmasterJay]

I think that all pitchers against him should just walk him every time, every situation

Tough to hit a home run when you get 4 balls throw 3 feet outside

Although some situations for playoff contenders this wouldn't work

 

[911paramedic]

Even if he didn't dope (which he did) the science behind baseball makes it easier to hit homeruns now than it did in the past.

Better balls, bats, training, etc.

Aaron was a natural, started in the '50's and hit 'em the old fashioned way.

 

[Midlander]

Originally posted by: A5
A-Rod is going to destroy the record once Bonds sets it anyway - I'd be shocked if he held it for more than 8 seasons after this one.

Then Pujols after that???

As for Bonds, as much as I wish he'd just go away, he won't. But he has no place baseball history, except in infamy.