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zinfamous

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And no Mr. Torque? WTF?

he's bound to be in there, somewhere. At the very least, one can hope that he has vending machines....but of course there can always be a Torque DLC. traveling to different planets, it's possible I guess that he found himself stuck on one of them for some reason and you only encounter him there?
 

Zenoth

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Butt Stallion skins.

What else is there to say? Day One purchase.
 

bguile

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Hm, I really hope this doesn't imply paid boosts like in Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

...unless they mean "mods" as in class mods?

Have to wait and see, but I am guessing it will be similar to the vault hunter relic that came with BL2. As long as it's a minor buff, or available in game (similar to the way XP relic's were) than it's not that a big a deal.
 

Zenoth

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Good lord. Is this the first bit of news that has essentially left Zenoth relatively speechless?

Oh it does happen from time to time

I mean... there is nothing else to add to it. Butt Stallion skins. They are Butt Stallion skins. Yep.
 

bguile

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If you're referring to the Borderlands 2 DLC, then the natural order was to ignore the DLC in normal and complete all the DLC in 2.5 that way you bypassed the soft-cap on the weapon levels.

I dunno. It's 2019. Seems like to me if you felt like taking a break from the main story and wanted to check out say a new Tina DLC, you could enter and have dlc adjust to whatever level you are, then leave after and still have the main story quest's adjust to your new level. Sounds like maybe they are implementing some sort of level scaling anyway (at least for co-op)

Borderlands 3 playstation blog

And since everyone else is hating on slag, I used to hate it also, but less so the mechanic than having purple goo everywhere on some maps.
 

KeithP

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From PC Gamer

BL3 will release September 13 on the Epic Games Store, which will be the only place to buy it on PC until April 2020. After that six month exclusivity period, it'll release "on additional PC digital storefronts," according to a press release from 2K.

It will probably work out in gamers favor in the long term if Steam has some competition but I despise exclusives. I am guessing there will be ways to play the game without purchasing through the Epic store or waiting for the exclusivity deal to expire. Hopefully, many gamers will avail themselves of those options.

-KeithP
 

nurturedhate

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From PC Gamer



It will probably work out in gamers favor in the long term if Steam has some competition but I despise exclusives. I am guessing there will be ways to play the game without purchasing through the Epic store or waiting for the exclusivity deal to expire. Hopefully, many gamers will avail themselves of those options.

-KeithP
This has been my train of thinking for a little bit now. Company A has a 88/12 revenue share split in favor of the developer, company B is 70/30. If you think your product is going to sell regardless of platform, let alone a platform that boasts 10.8 million concurrent players of a game in your genre, why on earth would you pick company B. The problem isn't us as end users having to install another client, it's why are we supporting company B who isn't changing with the times and who isn't doing what needs to be done to bring the best products to their platform for us. The problem is Valve, not Epic.
 

GodisanAtheist

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With soooooo many options nowadays, the sheer tonnage of content available through steam, and the inevitable 5 post launches patches + DLC that should been there in the first place it really doesn't make sense to be a day 0 or even day 180 purchaser.

Through some twist of fate I still have BL 1+2 sitting untouched in my Steam library (TBF I have launched BL 1 a few times but just wasn't in the mood for a looter shooter at the time). I'm currently playing through Vanilla Skyrim for the first time (which runs at a buttery smooth 60FPS @ 4K on my signature rig and looks really damn good in the process) so I have plenty of games to wait out any new content that goes over to epic as a timed exclusive.

Valve does need to get with the times, their sales have created a new breed of patient gamer, and it's clear that the epic + publishers know that the day 0 folks will be day 0 no matter what and everyone else was going to buy after the exclusivity thing ends anyhow... So why not take the cash payout?
 

DooKey

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I have BL1&2 on Steam and I'd like to keep them all together. I can wait six months or more to buy it. I'll just wait till it goes on sale so I don't give that snake Pitchford too much money.
 

KeithP

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This has been my train of thinking for a little bit now. Company A has a 88/12 revenue share split in favor of the developer, company B is 70/30. If you think your product is going to sell regardless of platform, let alone a platform that boasts 10.8 million concurrent players of a game in your genre, why on earth would you pick company B.

BL3 isn't a timed exclusive on the Epic store because of the revenue split. It is there because Epic paid them a lot of money. If it was just a revenue split, BL3 would be generating less profits as an exclusive. Steam has 90 million active PC users.

But let's assume for a moment that Gearbox/2K make a lot more money because of the favorable revenue split of the Epic store, if you think that will ever produce any tangible benefits to the end users you are foolish beyond belief.

Making more or less on the same product depending where it is sold nothing new. It has been happening in retail B&M stores since there have been retail stores. Having exclusive deals limit consumer choice and raises prices and that is all they do as far as the consumer is concerned.

The best options for consumers would be to have Steam and Epic both have BL3. The people can decide based on the features of the service and/or price. Of course, Epic doesn't want that because right now their store sucks.

-KeithP
 
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zinfamous

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I have BL1&2 on Steam and I'd like to keep them all together. I can wait six months or more to buy it. I'll just wait till it goes on sale so I don't give that snake Pitchford too much money.

Dang, what did Pitchford do to you? He and Gearbox have no control over how this game is distributed.
 

nurturedhate

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But let's assume for a moment that Gearbox/2K make a lot more money because of the favorable revenue split of the Epic store, if you think that will ever produce any tangible benefits to the end users you are foolish beyond belief.
More money means more Borderlands. Period.

Making more or less on the same product depending where it is sold nothing new. It has been happening in retail B&M stores since there have been retail stores. Having exclusive deals limit consumer choice and raises prices and that is all they do as far as the consumer is concerned.
The choice is still "buy Borderlands 3" or "don't buy Borderlands 3" and has not changed. Pricing will be the same. Point of sale becomes a matter of convenience. If buying a product on the Epic store compared to Steam inconveniences you to the point where you simply won't buy a product you otherwise would have is a completely separate conversation. A conversation that has merit in being had, especially when it comes to desktop and app clutter.

The best options for consumers would be to have Steam and Epic both have BL3. The people can decide based on the features of the service and/or price. Of course, Epic doesn't want that because right now their store sucks.

The best option would be a neutral platform where a revenue split covers operating cost and developers receive a larger share for their work but that's not happening. A fair and open marketplace of ideas is just that, an idea. Since we don't live in a perfect world I have no qualms with a developer I like trying to maximize their profits.

if you think that will ever produce any tangible benefits to the end users you are foolish beyond belief.
This isn't how you participate in constructive discourse.
 

Stg-Flame

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And the accusations of underage porn.
Accusations. Don't grab your pitchforks until the evidence is presented and the verdict is rendered.

Also, does nobody remember the improved drop relic for pre-ordering Borderlands 2? 5%. That's all. When people smarter than me did the math, on the vast majority of weapons, that 5% meant absolutely nothing since it boiled down to less than .01% extra chance for most legendary drops. I'm definitely not paying $100 just so I can have another 5% increased chance for better loot. Sure it's going to be fun, but it seems with every new game that gets released, everyone simply forgets all about the day one patches, the massive amounts of bugs and glitches, and in some games (mostly console) the day one overloaded servers. I'm definitely going to wait six months to see this on Steam and I'm most likely going to be able to buy it and the season pass on sale (since Steam has a good habit of doing that with new games). Six months won't kill me and with the recent trend of the last 5-10 years of PC gaming, I'll get a streamlined experience whereas people trying to play on day one are going to run into crashes, bugs, glitches, hackers, and an array of other issues that run rampant with day one AAA games.
 
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zinfamous

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Aliens: Colonial Marines. He's a snake.

wasn't that just a terrible game, though? While I can see myself to sympathize to some degree....I generally don't for day 1 purchases of any game these days, assuming the consumer understands how this industry works. Very few are really all that innocent of releasing broken or simply over-all, unfixable crappy content at release these days.
Unless there was something else going on there with gross misrepresentation, much like No Man's Sky (and even with No Man's Sky, which I still haven't purchased but was always rather interested in, I don't find too much issue with how that release went down, as objectively disappointing and anger-inducing that it was. Then again, I didn't fork over 60 bucks so that may have something to do with it...)


And the accusations of underage porn.

wait, what?
 

zinfamous

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Accusations. Don't grab your pitchforks until the evidence is presented and the verdict is rendered.

Also, does nobody remember the improved drop relic for pre-ordering Borderlands 2? 5%. That's all. When people smarter than me did the math, on the vast majority of weapons, that 5% meant absolutely nothing since it boiled down to less than .01% extra chance for most legendary drops. I'm definitely not paying $100 just so I can have another 5% increased chance for better loot. Sure it's going to be fun, but it seems with every new game that gets released, everyone simply forgets all about the day one patches, the massive amounts of bugs and glitches, and in some games (mostly console) the day one overloaded servers. I'm definitely going to wait six months to see this on Steam and I'm most likely going to be able to buy it and the season pass on sale (since Steam has a good habit of doing that with new games). Six months won't kill me and with the recent trend of the last 5-10 years of PC gaming, I'll get a streamlined experience whereas people trying to play on day one are going to run into crashes, bugs, glitches, hackers, and an array of other issues that run rampant with day one AAA games.

yep. the relic is completely useless when you realize how terrible the RNG is with that game (and possibly will be with this one). Also, all of that pre-release stuff was available with the GOY addition, even at the thoroughly discounted price of ~$15, just a year out. ...Though it's kinda why I did pay full price for vanilla TPS on release, because i kinda felt like I was robbing those devs after paying 7 bucks and 15 bucks, respectively, for BL1 and BL2 GOYs, not long after their release.

As for this one, I don't really care either way where it is available, I just prefer to keep everything on Steam. I don't want all of these apps on my desktop, even though I do support such competition. I agree that it's healthy, but I also want what I want. I have no problem going with GOG or EA or whatever for exclusives that I want. I will install Epic if, rolling up to release, I decide that BL3 is something I want to purchase on release. It's rare that I do such a thing, outside of being a free offer, but I did do this with TPS and Witcher 3, because I trust those franchises and devs (Even though TPS wasn't Gearbox).
 

Igo69

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If someone doesn't have Borderlands 2, Steam has a sale for Borderlands: The handsome Collection for $14.37 which include all content for BL2 and BLPS.

Anyone want to replay BL2 again? Never played coop so I want to try it.
 

EXCellR8

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^I might be up for that... not around this weekend though.

I recently played through the first Borderlands on PC again, for the first time in nearly a decade, and I think it may still be my favorite of the bunch. BL2 was more polished and played a bit better but it didn't have a lot of the charm of the first one imho. Was still good, just didn't enjoy it as much.
 

bguile

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wait, what?

Pitchford/Gearbox is engaged in a legal battle with a lawyer who used to work for Gearbox. Both sides are accusing each other of some outlandish things. There are plenty of articles out about it if your curious. One part specifies that the lawyer said Randy left a USB stick lying around with underage porn on it, which Pitchford later admitted to having, but denied that the person on it was underage.
 

Stg-Flame

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I saw this today while browsing around. Not sure of its legitimacy so take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt. If it's proven to be false, I'll delete it, but it is interesting nonetheless.

 

ondma

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The very first boss was a blatant rip-off from BL2. After it was discussed (in my thread on the Gearbox forums), a few community managers for 2K said it was a homage to Borderlands 2 and they wanted to give the fans something to relate to. I could accept that if I hadn't progressed with the game and saw that most of the rest was just a lazy copy/paste from the first two games. They added the moon physics and ice elemental which were fun for a few minutes, but after a while they just felt gimmicky. I think my biggest complaint (other than the lazy Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V) was the classes to choose from felt too rounded. One of the community managers did touch on that and say they didn't want to restrict anyone to any class just because of their playstyle. They wanted all classes to be more or less viable for sniping, melee, tank, etc. which I think felt lazier than anything else. I put a solid 400 hours in the game and played through with most classes, but it just didn't feel like Borderlands to me.

I hated the pre-sequel. Just too platformy for me, also a few segments had really annoying path-finding. Also didnt like the way they portrayed Handsome Jack as a somewhat sympathetic character. He was such a great villain, just seemed out of place the way he was portrayed in the pre-sequel.
Excited for BL3, but being cautious until the game is out. Hope they have a great single player campaign. Also hope it is on Steam. Getting tired of installing and setting up new software for so many different games.
 
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