The twin villains are pretty vanilla, which is not a good thing, but otherwise I kinda dig it--feel involved. I mean, there was that one thing they did that really pissed me the eff off, so they have their moments. The crass humor doesn't bother me. It can be lame, but I usually just focus on the complaints of Brutes and little things and the Goliaths as they die...pretty much 40% of my enjoyment in these games:
"Remember me...but one foot taller!"
and I mean come on:
Ice T as part of your crew! I thoroughly enjoy those Ice T moments, haha.
yes, i have ATT 1gb fiber.
I think so, unless Epic wants to fake statistics and make it feel faster.
The SSD is a 1TB sammy 850 pro.
It's just nice to see a installer just take full advantage of that. Heck its been fun downloading these big games 40x faster then i did 2 years ago. I was stuck on a 10mb a few years ago wow was that miserable.
I understand what you are saying, but I think 2k was in a tough spot. Borderlands has such a devoted following, any big changes were most likely going to be met with a lot of criticism. So they were in a kind of "damned if you do, damned if you dont" situation. They are going to be open for criticism either way: either for changing the formula too much or not advancing the game play. I do agree though, the game so far (I am about halfway through I think) is totally devoid of originality and innovation. They could have kept most of the game tied to the old formula, but introduced a few innovative missions. And for a game so long in development, with relatively modest graphics, I cant believe the number of patches they have put out.Okay. Borderlands 3 is a lazy game. It's so disappointing that I searched this thread to whine about it.
Holy hell. In terms of gameplay and engine, look at the leap between Diablo 1, 2, 3. Or Quake 1, 2, 3. How about Borderlands 1 to 2? It was considerable.
This shouldn't called Borderlands 3. It should've been called Borderlands 2.1. The gameplay is exactly the same? Fine. How about new enemies? I'm fighting the same damn EXACT enemy from Borderlands 2. You know that fat dude with a helmet on his head, and if you knock it off, he enrages and leaps towards you? Yea it's a mirror gameplay.
What the hell man. At least mix it up or something. It's a lazy ass game. Even loot is boring.. Legendary just means you keep it for 5 levels instead of 2 levels. I guess I'm generally tired of XP-based RPG-style gameplay after playing it since 25+ years ago (Diablo 1). It's all the same crap. You breeze through levels, gaining exp. You grind, you get loot, you get ahead a little bit, you level up, you get better loot/skill, but TTK (time-to-kill) of minions are all generally the same.
I understand what you are saying, but I think 2k was in a tough spot. Borderlands has such a devoted following, any big changes were most likely going to be met with a lot of criticism. So they were in a kind of "damned if you do, damned if you dont" situation. They are going to be open for criticism either way: either for changing the formula too much or not advancing the game play. I do agree though, the game so far (I am about halfway through I think) is totally devoid of originality and innovation. They could have kept most of the game tied to the old formula, but introduced a few innovative missions. And for a game so long in development, with relatively modest graphics, I cant believe the number of patches they have put out.
Well, it is a good shooter/looter, and for the first game or two, the characters, like claptrap, and lame humor was very entertaining. I have to admit though, that while I am enjoying the gameplay, the humor just simply is not funny most of the time anymore. As for TVHM, it would be nice if they added a few new missions to reward you for another 50 hours or more of playtime.^to the comments above. The multiple playthroughs are....well for intense grinding and the type of people that are really into general looting and meta game stuff. If you just play the games to go through the, uh, lack of story, then there isn't much point to the rest. That's it, really.
I think that it's actually fine that a whole lot hasn't changed with this one. I think most fans want this to be not too far off what you expect. The main thing I still complain about is that the loot table didn't go back to BL1. ..so I want it to be more like the original game, haha. Further, I would have been rather angry if Goliaths didn't make an appearance here (the helmeted enemy that zeze was complaining about, which are quite literally, the most endearing enemies to mess around with in the game--there's a reason we love them so much). For me personally, I really just don't like FPS games in general--yet this is one of my favorite game franchises ever. ...which means this is the only FPS I really play. So if you look at time spent in game types, Borderlands time played = all FPS time for me, so I scratch that itch here...which helps that these games are specifically designed for replayability more than most others.
...but all that being said, It does feel like too much of the same thing, eventually. I still haven't finished the main campaign, it is preposterously long. I'm in the final map (presumably), I'm already at level 41, so wondering why it is balanced the way it is for a max level 50 character? I guess the side quests are much like BL1, where they massively overlevel you early on...but this one has proper enemy scaling, so I certainly don't feel overpowered at all. Anyway, I don't really see myself doing many playthroughs, especially through multiple characters. That is sort of a no-brainer for me in the past, but I feel like the first playthrough is just way too damn tedious for it. Granted, 2nd playthrough is usually 2x faster if not more, but I just don't get the same sense of fun with this one that I did before. It all depends though on spending time with other characters and if I like those playstyles enough to continue on. ...and the quality of the eventual DLC, and how they handle scaling with the new level caps.
It sounds like they are certainly not going to release new characters at any time, which is a huge bummer, but that also removes some of the "burden" from thinking that your disease will force you to churn through that many playthroughs.
Well, it is a good shooter/looter, and for the first game or two, the characters, like claptrap, and lame humor was very entertaining. I have to admit though, that while I am enjoying the gameplay, the humor just simply is not funny most of the time anymore. As for TVHM, it would be nice if they added a few new missions to reward you for another 50 hours or more of playtime.
Maybe they should make a "serious" Borderlands next. That is, the same looting mechanics but with a strong story line as well. I dont really see that the two have to be mutually exclusive.
^to the comments above. The multiple playthroughs are....well for intense grinding and the type of people that are really into general looting and meta game stuff. If you just play the games to go through the, uh, lack of story, then there isn't much point to the rest. That's it, really.
I think that it's actually fine that a whole lot hasn't changed with this one. I think most fans want this to be not too far off what you expect. The main thing I still complain about is that the loot table didn't go back to BL1. ..so I want it to be more like the original game, haha. Further, I would have been rather angry if Goliaths didn't make an appearance here (the helmeted enemy that zeze was complaining about, which are quite literally, the most endearing enemies to mess around with in the game--there's a reason we love them so much). For me personally, I really just don't like FPS games in general--yet this is one of my favorite game franchises ever. ...which means this is the only FPS I really play. So if you look at time spent in game types, Borderlands time played = all FPS time for me, so I scratch that itch here...which helps that these games are specifically designed for replayability more than most others.
...but all that being said, It does feel like too much of the same thing, eventually. I still haven't finished the main campaign, it is preposterously long. I'm in the final map (presumably), I'm already at level 41, so wondering why it is balanced the way it is for a max level 50 character? I guess the side quests are much like BL1, where they massively overlevel you early on...but this one has proper enemy scaling, so I certainly don't feel overpowered at all. Anyway, I don't really see myself doing many playthroughs, especially through multiple characters. That is sort of a no-brainer for me in the past, but I feel like the first playthrough is just way too damn tedious for it. Granted, 2nd playthrough is usually 2x faster if not more, but I just don't get the same sense of fun with this one that I did before. It all depends though on spending time with other characters and if I like those playstyles enough to continue on. ...and the quality of the eventual DLC, and how they handle scaling with the new level caps.
It sounds like they are certainly not going to release new characters at any time, which is a huge bummer, but that also removes some of the "burden" from thinking that your disease will force you to churn through that many playthroughs.
I'm wondering why Borderlands has such a devoted following. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm new to the franchise. I'm currently 125 hours into BL2. That's a lot of hours for one game for me - so don't get me wrong - it's entertaining.
But shortly after finishing the story on Normal mode, I began asking: what's the point? As I play through again on True Vault Hunter Mode, I'm still asking that. Mostly, I'm playing the DLC. But I just don't see what has so many people fanatic or devoted to the game. Is there some special, fantastic feeling for getting your character to lvl 72 and getting legendary weapons that level? You don't even get a Steam achievement for that......so...…...what?
Also, Borderland 2's Handsome Jack was such an awesome villain with a distinct brand of humor. Many of BL3's characters had exact same style humor and personality. They all felt like some variation of Jack. What does it mean? It means I feel like I'm just listening to the same writer.
BL1 & 2 were actually praised because of its distinct humor for its time. This time around, they haven't refreshed anything.
It really is a lazy game.
The more I thought about what you said the more I find myself agreeing. The first BL I spent a ton of hours in. Once I finished the story, which felt so new and fresh at the time, I used it for a game I could jump in, kill a bunch of stuff and move on with my life. The DLC that came afterwards made the time I spent doing that worthwhile as it leveled me up high enough to do that. Now a days I have a few games I can screw off with so I'm not sure I'd spend that much time afterwards. I probably will if i ever find someone that's interested in doing the co-op.. which I really dislike how there are a few missions that you pretty much need someone else playing to actually get through them. The first game I was able to solo everything.. until they put out the waves and waves of enemies (I can't remember what the DLC was called).
This is what I was referring to in an earlier post about the story. I feel like they've trapped themselves into regurgitating stuff that was popular and are afraid to try new stuff. To me, it's mostly become "remember this person?" for the story points and heaven help us if we don't include characters (both in enemies and story) that people liked. It's a shame when an IP gets trapped in a place where they're afraid of turning off their 'core' audience and we end up getting more of the same.
Yeah, I agree. The added gun mechanics in my current playthrough are...basically nothing, really. I don't use alternate fire on any of mine, really. I'm still using mostly Jacobs weapons, and they don't have it anyway. Maliwan is just to switch elementals. Vladoff is to give 1/4th the default function that those guns used to have.
They shouldn't have gotten rid of Scooter. It was the same lowbrow humor, I guess, but he always made me chuckle. The rest is pretty much the same. I usually ignored it, anyway, because I just like the dialogue of the enemies and usually the vault hunter...depends on the character, though.
I'm wondering why Borderlands has such a devoted following. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm new to the franchise. I'm currently 125 hours into BL2. That's a lot of hours for one game for me - so don't get me wrong - it's entertaining.
But shortly after finishing the story on Normal mode, I began asking: what's the point? As I play through again on True Vault Hunter Mode, I'm still asking that. Mostly, I'm playing the DLC. But I just don't see what has so many people fanatic or devoted to the game. Is there some special, fantastic feeling for getting your character to lvl 72 and getting legendary weapons that level? You don't even get a Steam achievement for that......so...…...what?
Sigh...
Moze with 50% of the blue tree done spec'd with nearly infinite nades + using Mirv HEX nades = Overpowered and nearly immortal.
Been playing it on mayhem 3, in coop, and unless i get really unlucky and get 1 shotted, its basically GG running around and playing hot potato
I still dont get it, actually. Why do they make a build and then try to nerf it? Same thing with the legendary drop rates. Didnt they test the game and the various builds before they released it? Seems like it would be obvious that these "problems" existed. Do they just do this to try to get people to buy the game on day one and rush through it to get the max amount of legendaries?
Anyway, still enjoying the game. Now that I have gotten used to it, I like the 3d map. It is really nice to be able clearly see when an objective is above or below you.
and they already tried to nerf that build but it didn't work.