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[mb]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
On a side note, Fallen Earth "looks" similar but with mostly one open world like WoW. FPS RPG MMO set in post apocalyptic grand canyon USA. It's out in just the last week, but beyond the above I know nothing else about the game.

What are the subscription prices?

The subscription price is $14.99 for one month with discounts for purchasing three months ($13.99/month), six months ($12.99/month) and one year ($11.99/month).

Lame.

It's a shame so many people have supported the subscription model. It never should have happened and needs to cease.

It makes perfect sense for modern MMORPGs

Agreed.

It makes no sense.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
On a side note, Fallen Earth "looks" similar but with mostly one open world like WoW. FPS RPG MMO set in post apocalyptic grand canyon USA. It's out in just the last week, but beyond the above I know nothing else about the game.

Except the fps portion of Fallen Earth is really clunky. The aiming in that game is more like that of Hellgate London. Borderlands should play exactly like an fps with tight hitboxes, headshots, ect.

 

[Zenoth]

Good concept, but Cell Shading... I'm not sure. The only game I played with Cell Shading I actually liked was Wind Waker on the GameCube, it's not a graphics style that I really like though, it really needs a non-serious context for it to be worthy. It might end up being a fun game overall but to be honest I'm not really interested in that type of graphics especially not for a first-person-shooter, whatever goal it tries to achieve, being like an RPG or not, for me FPS games need a serious look and feel to them unless they are done with the sole purpose of exaggerating all aspects of it such as Painkiller, Serious Sam or No One Lives Forever, which are all superb FPS games, but it only works on extremes, either give me a very serious tone and dark (in graphics and/or context and events) one, or a very funny and exaggerated one, but don't try to combine both...

Anyway, time will tell, I'll wait a few months, see the general consensus, look at many videos, and if I think it'd be worth a try I might end up buying it. The one reason why I might buy it however isn't because I would like to get "beyond" the uninteresting graphics style, but more because I feel like I need to play a good FPS, since I believe that the genre is dying in quality since the past few years. The "best" FPS games I played were so scattered during the past five years or so. The one I play the most right now is Fallout 3... and it's not even a FPS game at heart, just an RPG under the disguise of the first-person-view because the engine is too old to make third-person-view animations worthy to even look at for a minute without wanting to quit out of disgust. At the moment I am eagerly awaiting the next S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and to be honest even though I do honestly want it I'm not exactly thinking that it's the best FPS idea to come out in the near future, I want something new, refreshing, a new standard, or maybe I'm looking too far away and need to come back to the disappointing reality.

And what in the great heck is Valve doing with Episode Three...

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
On a side note, Fallen Earth "looks" similar but with mostly one open world like WoW. FPS RPG MMO set in post apocalyptic grand canyon USA. It's out in just the last week, but beyond the above I know nothing else about the game.

What are the subscription prices?

The subscription price is $14.99 for one month with discounts for purchasing three months ($13.99/month), six months ($12.99/month) and one year ($11.99/month).

Lame.

It's a shame so many people have supported the subscription model. It never should have happened and needs to cease.

It makes perfect sense for modern MMORPGs

Agreed.

It makes no sense.

Why not? It costs money to run the servers and continue to add content. Why shouldn't they be paid for it?

 

[Nohr]

I'm looking forward to this one. I need a new loot fix.

Also, Claptrap is great.

 

[Zensal]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

PlanetSide, oh how I miss thee.

QFT. The only true MMOFPS ever created. And SOE will never make a sequel.

On another note, I think developers are coming at this the wrong way. They need to make the FPS first, then worry about the RPG or MMO parts. Otherwise, it will always have that clunky RPG feel.

 

[lifeobry]

Cell-shading is for JRPGs. Dark Cloud 2, Dragon Quest VIII = great graphics.

This game looks dumb imo.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: datalink7
Why not? It costs money to run the servers and continue to add content. Why shouldn't they be paid for it?

Didn't blizzard make up 4 years of server maintenance in one month?

Talk about cost to run the servers...

As for new content, that usually comes in expansions, which you purchase separately.

 

[Narynan]

You're all very misinformed. This game is NOT cell shaded. Its a filter put over the game engine. And yes this game looks amazing. Day one purchase for me. Glad it comes out after Wind7, so I don't have to install / format /install.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: pontifex
cell shading = failed garbage.

man you people will find anything to bitch about wont you

 

[Qbah]

Well, I really liked the graphics in the new Prince of Persia And this game looks simply amazing imo. Let's hope the gameplay will follow. Also, wondering if I should get it on my Xbox or not... heard that there will be significant differences between the PC and console versions... If they pull a Sacred 2 on console players it will suck.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

It's been a while since I saw a preview for a game that looks so awful it makes me physically shake with rage. Thanks OP, don't think I'll be checking this one out.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Narynan
You're all very misinformed. This game is NOT cell shaded. Its a filter put over the game engine. And yes this game looks amazing. Day one purchase for me. Glad it comes out after Wind7, so I don't have to install / format /install.

Whatever it technically is, it certainly looks exactly like a cell shaded game in my book.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: datalink7
Why not? It costs money to run the servers and continue to add content. Why shouldn't they be paid for it?

Didn't blizzard make up 4 years of server maintenance in one month?

Talk about cost to run the servers...

As for new content, that usually comes in expansions, which you purchase separately.

I don't know about WoW, as I only played it when it first came out. But LOTRO (which I play) has new content that you don't pay for in expansions.

And regardless of whether they make up 4 years in one month or not, there is some cost involved. You can argue that the price should be less but to argue that the company should just shell out the money themselves seems silly to me. Why should they do that?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I was very excited for this then I heard about the cell shading and later saw a video, I fear this is going to have a bad case of consolitis. I hope I am wrong because I love th co-op aspect but I can't get over the graphics I really hated the damage bubbles that kept popping up. I may change my mind but I am very concerned about this one.

 

[smackababy]

I actually enjoyed the graphics from the video. I might have to check this out. I just hope this has a good FPS feel to it.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: datalink7
Why not? It costs money to run the servers and continue to add content. Why shouldn't they be paid for it?

Didn't blizzard make up 4 years of server maintenance in one month?

Talk about cost to run the servers...

As for new content, that usually comes in expansions, which you purchase separately.

I don't know about WoW, as I only played it when it first came out. But LOTRO (which I play) has new content that you don't pay for in expansions.

And regardless of whether they make up 4 years in one month or not, there is some cost involved. You can argue that the price should be less but to argue that the company should just shell out the money themselves seems silly to me. Why should they do that?

They can charge whatever they want, it's their right, I just wish the consumers wouldn't be such stupid sheep and pay it. If WoW players or any other MMO subscribers had enough intelligence they would see that paying those fees are ridiculous. Ultimately, I think they are what's killing PC gaming.

 

[smackababy]

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: datalink7
Why not? It costs money to run the servers and continue to add content. Why shouldn't they be paid for it?

Didn't blizzard make up 4 years of server maintenance in one month?

Talk about cost to run the servers...

As for new content, that usually comes in expansions, which you purchase separately.

I don't know about WoW, as I only played it when it first came out. But LOTRO (which I play) has new content that you don't pay for in expansions.

And regardless of whether they make up 4 years in one month or not, there is some cost involved. You can argue that the price should be less but to argue that the company should just shell out the money themselves seems silly to me. Why should they do that?

They can charge whatever they want, it's their right, I just wish the consumers wouldn't be such stupid sheep and pay it. If WoW players or any other MMO subscribers had enough intelligence they would see that paying those fees are ridiculous. Ultimately, I think they are what's killing PC gaming.

I fail to see how paying a subscription to play a game is ridiculous? You are paying to access their services. Maintaining something is costly, and lets face it, MMOs are really the only games that are maintained over long periods. While the subscription model isn't the best for the casual gamer, most MMOs aren't for casual gamers. Playing a few hours a month is in no way cost efficient, but for those that play a few hours a day, it actually equates into cheap entertainment. Now, if you were to argue that game itself should be less than stand alone nonMMO games, I completely agree there.

You pay a subscription for "quality" television, phone service, insurance, internet, and probably other things as well. This model has been proven to not be a huge hurdle for any industry to tackle.

 

[Sureshot324]

The fact is, there are a lot of free MMOs out there, and there is an obivous difference in the amount of work put into the subscription ones, as well as overall quality. If I'm going to spend a lot of time playing one game, I'd rather pay $15 a month to play a good one, than play an ok one for free.

 

[smackababy]

Yes there are a lot of free MMOs, but I find the community you find in those is usually immature and centered around griefing. Not that this doesn't happen on paid MMOs, but you find a lot less of it and more of a community worth experiencing.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: pontifex
cell shading = failed garbage.

man you people will find anything to bitch about wont you

i think the art style could work out very well

 

[Wheezer]

I want to like it, I really do, but I just can't get into the whole cell shading thing.....maybe after a demo.

 

[Gothgar]

QQ about cel shading some more

Game looks fun

 

[smackababy]

From what I've heard in interviews with the development team, it isn't cell shading. They render it in such a way to add to the style and humor of the game. I think the videos may give a bad impression. I think cell shading, when used properly, is amazing.

 

[JoshGuru7]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
umm, no thanks - cell shading.


I wouldn't mind a good MMOFPS though.

Wouldn't we all. Unfortunately the trend seems to be "lobby-style"-FPS ... er, "MMO"s. Huxley, CrimeCraft, Global Agenda, etc. There's nothing really massive about them. It's just CounterStrike with a graphical lobby system.

PlanetSide, oh how I miss thee.

What was your ping in PlanetSide? I liked the concept but the 250ms+ ping was a deal breaker for me, along with the wide scatter.