********BORDERLANDS discussion thread*******

[abaez]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
just an FYI, if you pre-order on Steam, you'll be able to pre-load the game before it's out per GB's Twitter.

http://twitter.com/GearboxSoftware

I've pre-ordered, but don't see the game on my games list. Is this live or just planned to be able to be pre-loaded?

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: abaez

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
just an FYI, if you pre-order on Steam, you'll be able to pre-load the game before it's out per GB's Twitter.

http://twitter.com/GearboxSoftware

I've pre-ordered, but don't see the game on my games list. Is this live or just planned to be able to be pre-loaded?

It's already in my Games list, but it shows up at the bottom with games not downloaded and not released.

It should show up there tho.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Giant Bomb has a quicklook of Borderlands up, about half an hour, shows off some of the newb area stuff, so don't expect any major enemies or bosses, fun to check out for how the coop plays and some of the weapons/abilities.

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick...k-borderlands/17-1498/

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched that IGN video and it looks like it might be fun.

Does anyone know what kind of DRM it will have?

Can it be heavily modded--allowing the game's content and online multiplayer game types to expand in numerous directions, increasing the value and long term playability of the game--or will purchasers be under the control of the developer and publisher?

Is it consolized in any way?

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched that IGN video and it looks like it might be fun.

Does anyone know what kind of DRM it will have?

Can it be heavily modded--allowing the game's content and online multiplayer game types to expand in numerous directions, increasing the value and long term playability of the game--or will purchasers be under the control of the developer and publisher?

Is it consolized in any way?

It's using the UE3, so we should be able to mod it as we please. Having said that, it'll be up to Gearbox to decide if they're going to release a version of the modding tools geared towards Borderlands.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched that IGN video and it looks like it might be fun.

Does anyone know what kind of DRM it will have?

Can it be heavily modded--allowing the game's content and online multiplayer game types to expand in numerous directions, increasing the value and long term playability of the game--or will purchasers be under the control of the developer and publisher?

Is it consolized in any way?

I think the steam versions going to be using whatever steam itself uses for authentication. I've been hearing Securom for the DRM that it'll be using on forums, but don't know if this has been confirmed.

They haven't announced if they're going to release modding tools. I hope they do though.

What do you mean by consolized?

 

[abaez]

I've got about 10 friends who have all pre-ordered.. this game better be good.

 

[Fenixgoon]

edit: gave all my packs away. thanks to the guys who went in on it with me! :thumbsup:

 

[minmaster]

is this game subscription based?

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: minmaster
is this game subscription based?

I doubt it, it's going to be on the consoles as well.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: minmaster
is this game subscription based?

 

[Malak]

No, it isn't an MMO.

 

[TripleAAA]

I just hope we can actually download it if we pre-ordered...before the onslaught of other downloaders. At this point, we still can't.

 

[Malak]

Steam will have pre-loading, just not right now. It probably isn't to Steam yet.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Ugh, they already announced paid DLC for Borderlands to be released this year. That's right, PC gamers have to pay 10 bucks as well. I'm really tempted to cancel my preorder now, especially if it becomes apparent that players with the DLC will have an advantage over those without it. Maybe they could have delayed the DLC and worked a bit harder on the PC version so that it could release on time instead of delaying it 6 days :disgust:.

 

[Syppion]

No longer relevant.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
Ugh, they already announced paid DLC for Borderlands to be released this year. That's right, PC gamers have to pay 10 bucks as well. I'm really tempted to cancel my preorder now, especially if it becomes apparent that players with the DLC will have an advantage over those without it. Maybe they could have delayed the DLC and worked a bit harder on the PC version so that it could release on time instead of delaying it 6 days :disgust:.

It isn't a competitive game whatsoever. So whatever "advantage" someone might get from DLC doesn't exist in your gameplay experience. Another reason why cheating won't be an issue either.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
Ugh, they already announced paid DLC for Borderlands to be released this year. That's right, PC gamers have to pay 10 bucks as well. I'm really tempted to cancel my preorder now, especially if it becomes apparent that players with the DLC will have an advantage over those without it. Maybe they could have delayed the DLC and worked a bit harder on the PC version so that it could release on time instead of delaying it 6 days :disgust:.

Oh c'mon...

Canceling pre-orders because of a DLC that you don't even have to get if you don't want to, fantastic. Next, what, un-installing or even asking for a refund of TF2 because Valve adds free content and forces is upon the gamers? And a six days delay, the world is nearing to its end, try a delay of five years instead, and let me know how it feels.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Originally posted by: Malak

It isn't a competitive game whatsoever. So whatever "advantage" someone might get from DLC doesn't exist in your gameplay experience. Another reason why cheating won't be an issue either.

Maybe that's how you'll approach the game, but I like to reach end game knowing that I have fully explored and utilized all the game's content. I do not want to have to pay for a content add-on just 3 months after I buy the game.

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Oh c'mon...

Canceling pre-orders because of a DLC that you don't even have to get if you don't want to, fantastic. Next, what, un-installing or even asking for a refund of TF2 because Valve adds free content and forces is upon the gamers? And a six days delay, the world is nearing to its end, try a delay of five years instead, and let me know how it feels.

Canceling a pre-order because of paid DLC is a completely legitimate reason. When I buy a game that's not an MMO, I expect the upfront cost to be the only thing I have to pay for within a year or so, until an expansion or a sequel is made. Maybe you guys are used to console style DLC, but I sure do not want to be nickle and dimed for every content update like console gamers. I don't even understand how your Valve example fits into all this. If anything, they are an example of how DLC should be done. The consoles have paid DLC because that's what Live and PSN mandates for large content updates.

As for the 6 day delay, it's pathetic really that the devs of a game with the PC as the "lead platform" have to delay the PC version 6 days a month before the game's scheduled release to "finish optimizations". Well, it's either pathetic or outright lying because the game went gold last week, including the PC version. Add to that the fact that they have evidently been working on the DLC for a while now, before even "finishing" the actual game, and it starts sounding like the delay was merely an effort to curb the perceived notion that the PC version will be heavily pirated.

Anyways, I'm pretty surprised by how strongly this game is being defended. Many other games have been bashed on the forum for far less.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: Malak

It isn't a competitive game whatsoever. So whatever "advantage" someone might get from DLC doesn't exist in your gameplay experience. Another reason why cheating won't be an issue either.

Maybe that's how you'll approach the game, but I like to reach end game knowing that I have fully explored and utilized all the game's content. I do not want to have to pay for a content add-on just 3 months after I buy the game.

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Oh c'mon...

Canceling pre-orders because of a DLC that you don't even have to get if you don't want to, fantastic. Next, what, un-installing or even asking for a refund of TF2 because Valve adds free content and forces is upon the gamers? And a six days delay, the world is nearing to its end, try a delay of five years instead, and let me know how it feels.

Canceling a pre-order because of paid DLC is a completely legitimate reason. When I buy a game that's not an MMO, I expect the upfront cost to be the only thing I have to pay for within a year or so, until an expansion or a sequel is made. Maybe you guys are used to console style DLC, but I sure do not want to be nickle and dimed for every content update like console gamers. I don't even understand how your Valve example fits into all this. If anything, they are an example of how DLC should be done. The consoles have paid DLC because that's what Live and PSN mandates for large content updates.

As for the 6 day delay, it's pathetic really that the devs of a game with the PC as the "lead platform" have to delay the PC version 6 days a month before the game's scheduled release to "finish optimizations". Well, it's either pathetic or outright lying because the game went gold last week, including the PC version. Add to that the fact that they have evidently been working on the DLC for a while now, before even "finishing" the actual game, and it starts sounding like the delay was merely an effort to curb the perceived notion that the PC version will be heavily pirated.

Anyways, I'm pretty surprised by how strongly this game is being defended. Many other games have been bashed on the forum for far less.

And yet, you pre-ordered it.

Developers adding new content isn't that new, granted, it didn't exist ten years ago, but you should have seen that coming with Borderlands, I wouldn't see why that one "might have been different" if that's what you might have thought. The very principle of adding content to a game by the developers is absolutely nothing wrong in my book, whatever the price (up to a certain degree, of course) is or date of release is. I for one would have dreamed of seeing new content added that exact same way during previous years of gaming. I don't know how long you've been playing games, really, but I remember wishing to see new racing tracks added to my favorite racing games, and I remember wishing to see new characters or new or different weapons in my favorite RPGs and shooters, it's nothing new, but back then they could only do expansion packs, or sequels (mostly sequels, or prequels, or whatever, but they were full fledged and high priced games).

I even support DLCs more than so called sequels that really aren't even sequels by definition, and I would rather pay $10 for a DLC to an existing game I know I like than having to pay $50 for "its sequel". It's as if developers were never content to resume on the game's events and/or story line or context within its settings, within its original assets, that they almost always have to create damn sequels and "next year" versions. It's like EA making a new sport title each year, but they could easily use the engine of say... NHL 09 for maybe two or three years, and simply update the rosters and whatnot through DLCs, they would even make more money that way.

Anyway man... you do what you want, in my book your argument doesn't hold at all, the canceling itself isn't the problem indeed, if there's one thing we can do in capitalism is to talk with our money, that's fine, but the reason... I simply wholeheartedly disagree, go ahead and just cancel it then, I for one WILL defend Borderlands not because it's Borderlands and not because it's Gearbox, but because of my own principles, however ridiculous they may seem to you, and, yes, I am aware that your own arguments ARE making sense to you, but this is a discussion forum, and you shouldn't be surprised to read about disagreements, you want to defend your position, good, but let me defend Borderlands for my reasons too.

And the gaming market is changing, a lot, we all know that, you and me both, and seeing developers announcing DLCs even before a game is released IS going to become much more common over time, and if each time it happens you happened to have pre-ordered the games concerned by that new mercantile practice you will end up being a very sad panda, how many pre-orders you will cancel I have no idea, but your PC gaming experience over the coming months and years will end up being disappointing. I'd be curious to know if you ever consider to or even did pre-ordered Dragon Age and are now considering to cancel your pre-order for that one as well, perhaps because our "good ol' BioWare" is slowly turning into the EA that has touched and therefore tainted them forever? I mean, man, they even made a Digital Deluxe Edition! Can you imagine?! The END is upon us, they DARED only adding a few quests, a new companion, new items and even a soundtrack for nearly $15, that's completely unacceptable, they could have added that in the final game! That's it, let's boycott it.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: Malak

It isn't a competitive game whatsoever. So whatever "advantage" someone might get from DLC doesn't exist in your gameplay experience. Another reason why cheating won't be an issue either.

Maybe that's how you'll approach the game, but I like to reach end game knowing that I have fully explored and utilized all the game's content. I do not want to have to pay for a content add-on just 3 months after I buy the game.

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Oh c'mon...

Canceling pre-orders because of a DLC that you don't even have to get if you don't want to, fantastic. Next, what, un-installing or even asking for a refund of TF2 because Valve adds free content and forces is upon the gamers? And a six days delay, the world is nearing to its end, try a delay of five years instead, and let me know how it feels.

Canceling a pre-order because of paid DLC is a completely legitimate reason. When I buy a game that's not an MMO, I expect the upfront cost to be the only thing I have to pay for within a year or so, until an expansion or a sequel is made. Maybe you guys are used to console style DLC, but I sure do not want to be nickle and dimed for every content update like console gamers. I don't even understand how your Valve example fits into all this. If anything, they are an example of how DLC should be done. The consoles have paid DLC because that's what Live and PSN mandates for large content updates.

As for the 6 day delay, it's pathetic really that the devs of a game with the PC as the "lead platform" have to delay the PC version 6 days a month before the game's scheduled release to "finish optimizations". Well, it's either pathetic or outright lying because the game went gold last week, including the PC version. Add to that the fact that they have evidently been working on the DLC for a while now, before even "finishing" the actual game, and it starts sounding like the delay was merely an effort to curb the perceived notion that the PC version will be heavily pirated.

Anyways, I'm pretty surprised by how strongly this game is being defended. Many other games have been bashed on the forum for far less.

I would agree about DLC if it was "Hey that vault we mentioned in the trailer? ten bucks to see it, lol" or if the newgame+ they mentioned with the harder enemies to finish leveling to 50 was paid DLC that'd be one thing. Basically if whatever the DLC was was important to game completion. Or if it was a competitive game then if the DLC would have an effect on competition.

But if they're releasing things in addition to the game I don't see why they shouldn't get paid.

AFAIK there is around 12 hours of gameplay going straight through the game once with no side quests, just through the main story. Throw in the side quests and the second playthrough at the higher level and it seems like the game itself is worth the 35 dollars it costs with the preorder (44 if you go solo). I think they said if you do everything in the game you're looking at near 100 hours of gameplay? I could just be pulling that number out of my ass but this question was asked on Something Awful and someone did say it was a lot of gameplay with main story/side quests/leveling/getting guns.

I do admit it's fascinating this game is getting as much defense as it has. Hopefully it isn't setting up a ton of people for failure. I agree that it really sucks the PC version needs "Extra Time" or whatever crap and is getting delayed. I imagine it's mostly to sway people towards the console versions (I admit, i thought about getting it for ps3 to get it a week earlier) - but i'd rather play on PC since my friends are getting it on PC.

I think the PC Delay was related to either pushing people towards console versions (which less likely to be pirated? more profit?) or something to do with piracy - which i also don't understand either.

There have been some dumbass comments lobbied towards the game. I disagree with your view on DLC but I can see your point.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Dude is playing live, 360 version, but it's cool to check it out. I didn't watch much tho, don't wanna ruin it for myself.

http://www.justin.tv/brandon505

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
Dude is playing live, 360 version, but it's cool to check it out. I didn't watch much tho, don't wanna ruin it for myself.

http://www.justin.tv/brandon505

I've been watching for about give minutes and he hasn't done ANYTHING. He has spent ages in the menus, and then spent a while running into invisible walls in a vehicle. Hasn't shot anything yet....right now he's trying to jump over some rocks but the invisible walls are stopping him.

edit: Another 15 minutes of watching confirms that yes, indeed, nothing ever happens in this game. What a yawnfest.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: Malak

It isn't a competitive game whatsoever. So whatever "advantage" someone might get from DLC doesn't exist in your gameplay experience. Another reason why cheating won't be an issue either.

Maybe that's how you'll approach the game, but I like to reach end game knowing that I have fully explored and utilized all the game's content. I do not want to have to pay for a content add-on just 3 months after I buy the game.

Hopefully you will have finished the game long before 3 months later. The idea is that DLC extends the lifespan of a game, and I think most people like that concept. That is the reason for the whole L4D2 scandal.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Pre-ordered on Steam yesterday, will pick up the DLC if the content/price is right.