BOSE speakers and Sony hometheater system on sale!!

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: sperz
You're right, Tweeter isn't TOP of line, but neither is Bose. Any place they sells "top of the line" equipment will also carry products that MUCH more expensive than Bose. I'm not trying to convince anyone that Bose is the best... we're not, but we are better than most of the cheaper stuff available at BB and CC and places like that.

Not top of the line? What about the Bose Acoustimass 16 that costs $1500? That's not considered expensive? You can do SO much better for that price shopping somewhere else.

Here is one of many examples.

 

[sperz]

Read previous post.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: sperz
You're right, Tweeter isn't TOP of line, but neither is Bose. Any place they sells "top of the line" equipment will also carry products that MUCH more expensive than Bose. I'm not trying to convince anyone that Bose is the best... we're not, but we are better than most of the cheaper stuff available at BB and CC and places like that.

$$$ for $$$$, no they aren't!!!!

Your subs arent even subs. Are u really trying to convince me that your getting LOW bass with a 5" driver? I don't care what 25 year old technology you are using for the enclosure.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: sperz
You're right, Tweeter isn't TOP of line, but neither is Bose. Any place they sells "top of the line" equipment will also carry products that MUCH more expensive than Bose. I'm not trying to convince anyone that Bose is the best... we're not, but we are better than most of the cheaper stuff available at BB and CC and places like that.

$$$ for $$$$, no they aren't!!!!

Your subs arent even subs. Are u really trying to convince me that your getting LOW bass with a 5" driver? I don't care what 25 year old technology you are using for the enclosure.

 

[sperz]

But these are huge speakers! The Acustimass system is designed for people that are looking for something that takes up a little less space.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: sperz
But these are huge speakers! The Acustimass system is designed for people that are looking for something that takes up a little less space.

If size is a concern Cambridge SoundWorks is a good alternative. They sound much better and thier products are cheaper. In fact I think thier catch phrase was something like "Better Sound than Bose for Half the Price". Well that is until they got sued by your company

 

[tnitsuj]

I am going to try and be calm about this.

1. Bose speakers suck at any price. This Acoustimass system is garbage.



Bose Reviews at Audioreview.com

BOSE Acoustimass: Better Profit Margins through Shortcuts

2. Tweeter is not a high end Audio Store. Neither is Best Buy or Circuit City. I don't see any Marin Logan, Krell, or even NHT or NAD in those stores.

Thier are however some gems to be found:


Go to Best Buy and Look at the Athena Line of Speakers they carry. The sales people will probably have no idea what you are talking about, but they are there. Those are very good budget audiophile speakers and they have a bookshelf set on sale this week for under $200 that will completely destroy these BOSE in all ways except for cool form factor.

Circuit City also carries some decent Polk Audio RTI series speakers which are not bad for the price.

Do not waste your money on these Bose, thier are other far superior small speakers for this price. Bose is designed to maximime profit margins with minimal investment.

 

[Beandog]

I have listened to these Bose but series 3 and the Onkyo set in stores and I liked the Onkyo set much better plus the sub with the Onkyo had alot more rumble and boom to it.
The Onkyo set SKSHT500 is $170 shipped here Onkyo just set up a quick account and the price drops on this unit from $300 to $170 shipped ground free.
Go listen to both if you can and make your decision that way since everyone has there own preferences on sound, its best if you can just listen. I am not thread crapping just giving others an alternative speaker set to look at in the exact same price range

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Beandog
I have listened to these Bose but series 3 and the Onkyo set in stores and I liked the Onkyo set much better plus the sub with the Onkyo had alot more rumble and boom to it.
The Onkyo set SKSHT500 is $170 shipped here Onkyo just set up a quick account and the price drops on this unit from $300 to $170 shipped ground free.
Go listen to both if you can and make your decision that way since everyone has there own preferences on sound, its best if you can just listen. I am not thread crapping just giving others an alternative speaker set to look at in the exact same price range

yes, even that Onkyo set is far far better than the BOSE

 

[yuckfou]

How about we just thank wmqiadm for posting a great price on these speakers More than half of the posts in this thread have nothing to do with the fact that this is a great price on these speakers compared to regular price :disgust: If you think you can find a better deal on better speakers, start a new thread so people can thank you for posting another hot deal

 

[MontyBurns]

So now you're evaluating the quality of a product based on which stores carry it???

That's intelligent.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: MontyBurns
So now you're evaluating the quality of a product based on which stores carry it???

That's intelligent.

Yes, at least for high end audio. Why don't you post something useful instead of just trolling? At least I provided some good examples to alternative products.

 

[sat4fun]

Originally posted by: MontyBurns
So now you're evaluating the quality of a product based on which stores carry it??? That's intelligent.

Hmmm...Everybody does this? I do this daily for everything that I buy. This is the main flaw with Bose, they are high end at the stores that they are sold at. They watered down their name in order to be sold at SamsClub. Its not hard to pull in morons with glitzy displays while they are there to by 5 gallon buckets of maple syrup.

Another point is that is forgotten in this thread, the stated price is for DEMO units, not NEW.

 

[MontyBurns]

I just wonder what's wrong with actually LISTENING TO THE SPEAKERS, and then making a decision?

All companies (including all of the other brands mention in this thread) change suppliers, production methods and technologies all the time. Operating under blanket statements about "everything made by XYZ company sucks" is just silly.

 

[sat4fun]

Originally posted by: MontyBurns
I just wonder what's wrong with actually LISTENING TO THE SPEAKERS, and then making a decision? All companies (including all of the other brands mention in this thread) change suppliers, production methods and technologies all the time. Operating under blanket statements about "everything made by XYZ company sucks" is just silly.

We have listened and made a decision. Your assumption that we didn't is assnine. You are the crap in this thread.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: sperz
As someone who works for Bose, I can say that the majority of our profits DO indeed go back into research. We have projects that have been in development for years, and we continue to invest our time and money into perfecting them. I would like to know where your "85% to marketing" figure comes from.

Our products ARE more expensive than anything you'll find at BB or CC, but you get what you pay for. The speakers we design are set up in special listening rooms in order to allow listeners to hear their clarity. If you're looking for loud ok sounding speakers then I admit, Bose is not for you, but if you appreciate good sound you won't be unhappy with them.

Sperz

You can't be serious...what kind of LIES are the higher-ups feeding you? Research?? Research into WHAT? Bose has been using the same old boring cube designs for at least a decade, which feature paper-cone drivers and a the boomiest sub known to man. If all the profit money is going back into research, how come you people STILL haven't figured out a better cone material to use. (Hint: paper is the CHEAPEST cone material). And how come these Bose "reseachers" haven't yet discover that their ridiculous crossover frequency of 150Hz by far exceeds the widely-accepted 80Hz crossover point for subwoofers being non-localizable? Bose sounds better to "some people" because they
a) don't know what constitutes quality reproduction of sound
b) have already convinced themselves that Bose sounds better than anything out there. It's basic psychoacoustics...if you "think" your speakers sound better, they will, regardless of the actual quality of reproduction.
The speakers you guys set up in "special rooms" are done in such a way that it makes it difficult to actually compare your speakers with the competition (which sounds better and costs less). If you were truly convinced that your speakers were superior, you would do the opposite - demand that your products be directly compared to the other speakers on the shelf. In reality, a 3-legged dog with sensorineural deafness could tell you that instead of sounding smooth, Bose speakers sound "ruff."

Valsalva

 

[teKillah]

Can someone hook me up on these please ???

 

[MontyBurns]

Originally posted by: sat4fun

Originally posted by: MontyBurns
I just wonder what's wrong with actually LISTENING TO THE SPEAKERS, and then making a decision? All companies (including all of the other brands mention in this thread) change suppliers, production methods and technologies all the time. Operating under blanket statements about "everything made by XYZ company sucks" is just silly.

We have listened and made a decision. Your assumption that we didn't is assnine. You are the crap in this thread.

Sorry, I hadn't seen anyone mention anything specific about the Accoustimass 6 series.

So what is your review of them? Can you provide any more details than they they are "junk?" What setting did you listen to them in? How many speakers? What was the sound source?

Thanks. Look forward to your review.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: sat4fun

Originally posted by: MontyBurns
So now you're evaluating the quality of a product based on which stores carry it??? That's intelligent.

Hmmm...Everybody does this? I do this daily for everything that I buy. This is the main flaw with Bose, they are high end at the stores that they are sold at. They watered down their name in order to be sold at SamsClub. Its not hard to pull in morons with glitzy displays while they are there to by 5 gallon buckets of maple syrup.

Another point is that is forgotten in this thread, the stated price is for DEMO units, not NEW.

Thats a bad price if they are Demo units.

Thanks to everyone posting better deals. It's NOT thread crapping. Good deals are waht we are here for, and when people have a discussion like this, then I can go away knowing what to buy, and what not to buy. This is nothing against the thread poster

After reading this thread I know I will never buy a Bose product. Sorry to the guy that works for bose.. I know that you want to defend your company but it looks like the fact is, that you offer products that are inferior for high prices.

Thats what distinguishes a great company from all the rest. They are honest with THEMSELVES about the quality of their products. They don't just tell each other how great their product is, when they all know that it is really mediocre.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: MontyBurns

Originally posted by: sat4fun

Originally posted by: MontyBurns
I just wonder what's wrong with actually LISTENING TO THE SPEAKERS, and then making a decision? All companies (including all of the other brands mention in this thread) change suppliers, production methods and technologies all the time. Operating under blanket statements about "everything made by XYZ company sucks" is just silly.

We have listened and made a decision. Your assumption that we didn't is assnine. You are the crap in this thread.

Sorry, I hadn't seen anyone mention anything specific about the Accoustimass 6 series.

So what is your review of them? Can you provide any more details than they they are "junk?" What setting did you listen to them in? How many speakers? What was the sound source?

Thanks. Look forward to your review.

I've listened to those accoustimas 6 speakers. I am not expert, and I can't really offer a real review, but in my experience they sounded strained, even provided with enough power, and the sub didn't reach nearly low enough. Like I said previously I like the sound of my 199$ AIWA system, better than the 1500$ bose system my father in lawy bought.

 

[JuanTabonia]

Originally posted by: wmqiadm
I will agree with most of you guys that bose is overpriced, but can somebody take the challenge and show me better speakers available for under $200 or a better combination of bose speakers and a 500watts AV amplifier for under $330 the same or better crisp sound and uncluttered bass.

I still have 30days to return and you still have 30 days to prove it.


wmqiadm.

The answer to your challenge: Fluance Speakers
Bose is way overpriced for what you get. The drivers they use have el cheapo paper cones. And how can you get a full range of sound from just 1 driver? That is why every other company uses tweeters for highs and woofers for lows. Fluance's speakers don't fit in your hand like those Acoustimass speakers, but they get very good reviews and are extremely affordable. A Home Theater spkr package is ~$250.

 

[arcas]

I'm surprised Bose is allowing Sam's Club to sell them at that price. The local hi-fi store around here explicitly states that due to "strict licensing arrangements with Bose" store sales do not apply to Bose. Since I'd never seen any Bose merchandise on sale or at reduced prices at any other store in town it led me to believe that this "licensing arrangement" was not unique to this particular hi-fi store.

That said, I'm not going jump on the "Bose sucks" bandwagon in this thread. Ultimately it comes down to your ears. As with any hi-fi speaker, you need to bring a selection of your own music and/or movies and properly audition for a couple hours, ideally using the same model receiver/amp that you'll be using at home. It has to be your own music, though, since presumably that's the music you're most familiar with and will let you more easily recognize any nuances the speakers may cause.

 

[lungster]

I guess I'll put in my $0.02. At the price mentioned, it's not a bad deal. But anyone thinking of getting these speakers should really ask themselves - is this the limit on my budget ? If so, then go ahead and get them. Like any sub-$200 HT speaker system, you're not going to get much (there's a limit to what you can get at that price range). However, if you believe that Bose makes great stuff AND think this is some sort of super deal, AND you have room in your budget AND enjoy good sound, skip this deal. What you'll end up with are sub-par drivers, boomy bass and eventually a major league waste of money.

Now I realize there are lots of skeptics on both sides of the fence and like all subjective topics (taste, personal preference, etc) there's no real right or wrong. So the best thing to do is to find yourself a Bose dealer and listen for yourself. BUT - be aware of a few things before you start listening. First, Bose requires its dealers to seperate their products from others, making side-by-side listening tests very hard to do. Second the human auditory memory is very poor and very short so bring your favorite music and only listen to what you know well. Note various aspects of the trakcs you play on each speaker; write them down if you have to. Don't let others speak to you or try and steer you one way or the other. It's common practice to "guide" customers to the speakers with the most profit margin. Remember that when it comes to our hearing, humans can be so easily persuaded that it's been shown that subtle things like the color of a speaker can sway our decision on quality and accuracy even when the test subjects were otherwise identical !

Don't let the salesman control the volume nor the location where you sit - do this yourself. Play at all volume settings. Salesmen are trained to raise the volume to make speakers sound "fuller" but high volumes can also expose distortion, thermal compression, bad resonance, and other bad behavior. Listen carefully to the parts of the audio spectrum that are hardest to reproduce well - the lower bass (which is often more felt in the guts than heard) and the upper treble (which often reveals itself as increased "detail" in the music). Bose speakers are known for their midrange presence, which is also known to be where the ear is most sensitive (see Fletcher-Munson curve) and that can easily sway the listener. Finally, remember that the best speaker is not one that is somehow "special" but rather one that seems not to be there. You want to listen to the music, not the speaker. Speakers should not impart any additional character to the track.

Bose has outlet stores where you can listen to just their products. Sit through one of their HT demos where they try to convince you that their little bass modules (which they correctly call a "bass module" rather than a subwoofer because it doesn't come close to reproducing subwoofer frequencies) can re-create the full cinema effect. Then do the same thing with real speaker and you'll know what people mean by no-low, no-high....

One added note - never judge a speaker by price. Some of the Acoustimess products are very pricey, but that in no way makes them "high-end"; merely high-priced.

I am by no means trying to thread-crap here. I do believe that small cubish Acoustimess speakers have their place. For instance, they tend to have high SAF, and for people who have limited space and strict SAF needs, they are the perfect solution. Just remember that in the world of speakers, sonic reproduction, especially on the low end of the frequency spectrum, is bound by the laws of physics and thus any small speaker system will have natural limitations. If you buy with that understanding, at least you know what you're getting into.

 

[sat4fun]

Lungster, very well put, thank you. This should be the LAST word on this subject.

 

[MontyBurns]

Originally posted by: sat4fun
Lungster, very well put, thank you. This should be the LAST word on this subject.

Well, unless anyone else wants to share an opinion. They are allowed, right?

Also, you could go ahead and present your personal review of the accoustimass 6 series while we wait.

Separately, someone mentioned Fluance. My friend has a pair of the AV5's. They sound pretty great. Certainly can't argue with the price.