Boston Bombing -- Who Did It?

[Zeze]

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Here is the interview with the suspects' uncle - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/ruslan-tsarni-uncle-of-suspects-interview_n_3116075.html

He says they came to the US in 2000 or 2001. If true, the younger kid mostly grew up in the US.

 

[Exterous]

Honestly, how far can you trust a Muslim living in a Western Country at war with Muslim radicals?

Don't be retarded. Dearborn MI has a massive concentration of Muslims (biggest in the US) yet I don't see a rash of bombings\attacks from them. The facts and evidence show that you can trust a Muslim living in a Western Country while at war with Muslim radicals.

In fact - you would be far wiser to not trust stairs as you are far more likely to die from stairs than a Muslim attack. Stairs prey on the elderly and the children. Where is your hatred of stairs? Huh? Stairs have been killing US citizens far longer than Muslims have

 

[Jaskalas]

Agree, I know and have worked with many Muslims over the past 20 years and all are angry at those who claim to do these evil acts in the name of their religion. Most of these people I know would give anyone the shirt off their back and that includes people who are Christians or Jews.

Those coworkers do not have a transnational presence or identity for others to find welcoming and then join "the cause". Unfortunately the terrorists of Islam do.

Honestly, if Islam had their own Pope who condemned violence the world would be a better place.

 

[Remobz]

Yeah, you can't trust those damn theists and their beliefs in "gods". We need to round them all up.

I know America will not repeat what they did during WW2.

Yes, I admit that it was wrong because many "good" Japanese men served and fought courageously with the US army in Europe.

But it is hard for the good not to suffer along with the bad. That is a world reality.

Yes, I am sure there are "good" Muslims in the USA as well who will suffer because of radical Islamic extremists.


Fact: Muslim terrorists whether foreign or domestic have attacked or tried to attack Americans on US soil or abroad. One cannot deny this.

Non-Muslim members here can feel free to defend their fellow American Muslims but guess what?

Can anyone here guarantee that a certain number of Muslim Americans whether domestic or foreign are not planning similar attacks or worse in the future?

 

[desura]

I worked with a woman up until a year or so ago. She was Lebanese, a muslim and despised the people who committed these kinds of acts in the name of Islam. To the point of hostility.

Fast worward to a few weeks ago and it turns out one of her sons, one who had left and just vanished a couple of years ago, was one of the terrorists who took over the refinery in Algeria. He was killed in that attack. So was a white boy from here who had just recently converted to Islam.

Point is even though the child of this woman turned out to be of the worst perverters of Islam, I do not question in the least the contempt she always displayed. Shit happens and sometimes you just can't explain why certain people choose a specific route.

This is why I've never been too keen on people who convert to Islam, as opposed to people who were born into the tradition and for whom it is just like a cultural repository.

It would be counter-productive to "round them all up" like a lot of people here are advocating, but goddamn the NYPD program of infiltrating mosques and other Islamic groups makes so much sense.

I've never been big on civil liberties, so f-the ACLU.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I know America will not repeat what they did during WW2.

Yes, I admit that it was wrong because many "good" Japanese men served and fought courageously with the US army in Europe.

But it is hard for the good not to suffer along with the bad. That is a world reality.

Yes, I am sure there are "good" Muslims in the USA as well who will suffer because of radical Islamic extremists.


Fact: Muslim terrorists whether foreign or domestic have attacked or tried to attack Americans on US soil or abroad. One cannot deny this.

Non-Muslim members here can feel free to defend their fellow American Muslims but guess what?

Can anyone here guarantee that a certain number of Muslim Americans whether domestic or foreign are not planning similar attacks or worse in the future?

Can you guarantee that any person from a specific demographic is not planning something?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Those coworkers do not have a transnational presence or identity for others to find welcoming and then join "the cause". Unfortunately the terrorists of Islam do.

Over the past 20 years I have worked in many countries worldwide including Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Indonesia, and Malaysia. I've worked with many Muslims in these countries never felt unsafe around them.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Those coworkers do not have a transnational presence or identity for others to find welcoming and then join "the cause". Unfortunately the terrorists of Islam do.

That sounds a lot like the cause that Incor and some others here belong too.
Fortunately,they are still in the basement stage

Honestly, if Islam had their own Pope who condemned violence the world would be a better place.

Christianity does not have a Pope, only Catholics do

 

[Remobz]

Don't be retarded. Dearborn MI has a massive concentration of Muslims (biggest in the US) yet I don't see a rash of bombings\attacks from them. The facts and evidence show that you can trust a Muslim living in a Western Country while at war with Muslim radicals.

In fact - you would be far wiser to not trust stairs as you are far more likely to die from stairs than a Muslim attack. Stairs prey on the elderly and the children. Where is your hatred of stairs? Huh? Stairs have been killing westerners far longer than Muslims have

Anyone can lie in a poll. Sometimes its the loudest supporters you have to watch out for.

You understand that there can also be Muslim sympathizers. They will not strap a bomb on their backs or blow themselves up however, they can divulge sensitive information about installations they work at and so on and so on.

It is not easy to plan a bombing as one would think after 9/11. Don't you give your Country any credit as an American?

You ever wonder the amount of "secret" Muslim sympathizers and ones that would be willing to give information out if asked to organized Muslim terrorist cells.

Unless you can refute that, then I apologize for thinking the way I do then.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Can anyone here guarantee that a certain number of Muslim Americans whether domestic or foreign are not planning similar attacks or worse in the future?

Oh lord....

 

[Capt Caveman]

Can you guarantee that any person from a specific demographic is not planning something?

This.

 

[Jaskalas]

Can you guarantee that any person from a specific demographic is not planning something?

Imagine if Catholics had an anti-Pope. Some group or organization calling for violence in the name of their religion. They turn the religious identity into a militant identity. Then throw them into the modern world where anyone across the planet may come into contact, find their message appealing, and then join them.

Now remove the Pope from the equation for Islam has no such anti-terrorism organization.

This is the crux of the problem and why Islam is singled out. They have a lighting rod for evil people, but they have no equivalent lightning rod for good people. No sweeping, powerful message for peace. No organization to drive that peaceful message across the planet the way the terrorists drive violence.

Islam needs a religious authority to confront violence.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You ever wonder the amount of "secret" Muslim sympathizers and ones that would be willing to give information out if asked to organized Muslim terrorist cells.

Too much JihadWatch..what do you seek at that site? Some sort of comfort?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Anyone can lie in a poll. Sometimes its the loudest supporters you have to watch out for.

You understand that there can also be Muslim sympathizers. They will not strap a bomb on their backs or blow themselves up however, they can divulge sensitive information about installations they work at and so on and so on.

It is not easy to plan a bombing as one would think after 9/11. Don't you give your Country any credit as an American?

You ever wonder the amount of "secret" Muslim sympathizers and ones that would be willing to give information out if asked to organized Muslim terrorist cells.

Unless you can refute that, then I apologize for thinking the way I do then.

There's a term for that type of thinking, it is called McCarthyism.

 

[spidey07]

There's a term for that type of thinking, it is called McCarthyism.

And we need a whole lot of it right now.

Muslim terrorists confirmed, as it was clearly obvious from the get go this was the most likely suspect by a humongous margin.

 

[Jaskalas]

Here is the interview with the suspects' uncle - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/ruslan-tsarni-uncle-of-suspects-interview_n_3116075.html

He says they came to the US in 2000 or 2001. If true, the younger kid mostly grew up in the US.

There's no doubt in my mind that his older brother corrupted him.

 

[Remobz]

Can you guarantee that any person from a specific demographic is not planning something?

Agreed.

But America in particular is at WAR with Islamic terror organizations, groups and even sympathizers to name a few.

Yes, anyone can plant a bomb from any demographic.

But ask yourself this..........

What religious group as of this day has the MOST PROBABLE chance of planning and carrying out a bombing or terrorist act on US soil?

That is all I am saying.....what religious group (remember Islam is the driving force by many Islamic terror groups etc.) has the HIGHEST threat for America as of this day?

 

[Attic]

Who Is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Man at the Center of the Boston Manhunt?

Dzhokhar's vk.com profile would indicate that he was a bit more Americanized that his dead brother. Perhaps it was the older brother's influence that walked him down this path.

This. The older brothers influence during a time of impressionable years I'd assume was significant in shaping the younger brothers views and motives for the attack.


Very sad, the younger brother strikes me as someone who wouldn't do such a terrible thing. I'd like to know what shaped his thinking and gave him the justification to carry this out. Was he wronged consistently, was his family wronged, how long had he felt this way....

 

[JulesMaximus]

And we need a whole lot of it right now.

Muslim terrorists confirmed, as it was clearly obvious from the get go this was the most likely suspect by a humongous margin.

So, in your America, do I go on a terrorist watch list because I have friends who are Muslim or because I didn't knee jerk assume this act was done by Muslim extremists?

Maybe you should bring me in for questioning? Raid my home? Impound my car? Detain me indefinitely for no reason? Black list me?

Where does it end?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

There's no doubt in my mind that his older brother corrupted him.

That does seem likely.

Intuitively it seems improbable to me that this was an action undertaken through coordination with any international terrorist group, though one never knows. I would expect the older brother believed this was an act of jihad, so I would characterize it as Islamic terrorism, but the dynamics of this crime, to me, have just as much in common with other awful crimes committed by isolated wackos as with traditional terrorist acts. On the other hand, I expect most suicide bombers also have a certain lone-wackiness about them as well.

 

[manimal]

There's a term for that type of thinking, it is called McCarthyism.

wait for it!

And we need a whole lot of it right now.

Muslim terrorists confirmed, as it was clearly obvious from the get go this was the most likely suspect by a humongous margin.

there!

 

[HomerJS]

And we need a whole lot of it right now.

Muslim terrorists confirmed, as it was clearly obvious from the get go this was the most likely suspect by a humongous margin.

I had no idea the cure for phallus minimus is saying this 75 times

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Agreed.

But America in particular is at WAR with Islamic terror organizations, groups and even sympathizers to name a few.

Yes, anyone can plant a bomb from any demographic.

But ask yourself this..........

What religious group as of this day has the MOST PROBABLE chance of planning and carrying out a bombing or terrorist act on US soil?

That is all I am saying.....what religious group (remember Islam is the driving force by many Islamic terror groups etc.) has the HIGHEST threat for America as of this day?

Why would we just look at religious groups? There's all sorts of idealogoies that cause people to be violent towards their fellow man. Take a look at how many terrorist type actions have occurred within the U.S. over the years. Now tell me what percentage was actually done by Islamic groups.

 

[peonyu]

Chechen Terrorists? Hmm, that wasn't even a poll option!

It can [and I loosely emphasize "can" right now] fall under the "Foreign-born Islamicists" category since Chechnya [and Dagestan] ARE Muslim provinces in Russia and both have exported a shitton of terrorists over the years. Thats the region that produced the vile idiots who gassed a ethnic Russian school and killed four hundred 6 year old kids...But until we know more about them its impossible to know their real motive, Islamic craziness is a huge possibility though.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

Religion
"Islam is the predominant religion in Chechnya. Chechens are overwhelmingly adherents to Sunni Islam,[39] the country having converted to Islam between the 16th and the 19th centuries. Due to historical importance, many Chechens are Sufis, of either the Qadiri or Naqshbandi orders. Most of the population follows either the Shafi'i, Hanafi,[40] or Maliki[41] schools of jurisprudence, fiqh. The Shafi'i school of jurisprudence has a long tradition among the Chechens,[42] and thus it remains the most practiced.[43]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan


Religion
"According to a 2012 official survey[26] 83% of the population of Dagestan adheres to Islam, 2.4% to the Russian Orthodox Church, 2% to Caucasian Neopaganism, 1% are unaffiliated generic Christians. In addition, 9% of the population declares to be "spiritual but not religious", 2% is atheist and 0.6% follows other religions or did not answer to the question.[26]

Dagestanis are largely Sunni Muslims, of the Shafii rites, that has been in place for centuries. On the Caspian coast, particularly in and around the port city of Derbent, the population (primarily made of the Azeris) is Shia."