Boston Bombing -- Who Did It?

[nextJin]

Why should anyone apologize for having a theory that is later proven wrong? Would you have "apologized" if this attack, like the Olympic Centennial Park bombing, was in fact the product of a right wing white man?

In this exact case absolutely, I would have apologized, said I was horribly wrong and likely changed my opinion of the right.

This wasn't a theory though, almost all the experts said this showed signs of radical Islam. I watched most all the news channels and with the exception of a few anchors on MSNBC I never heard of a serious explanation other than radical Islam. The only surprise came from these guys not actually being Arabic.

What baffled me here is that dumbasses kept saying it was a RWE through and through and now they barely say anything.

 

[Fern]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Even if they are, Turks are white. These terrorists are white male.

You're stretching the term "white" to the point it's become meaningless in this conversation.

Fern

 

[bshole]

Well its not like RWEs are not on the radar screen for terrorism.

The word "terrorism" in the United States usually brings to mind plots linked in some way to al Qaeda, while the danger posed to the public by white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and other right-wing militants is often overlooked.
Militants linked to al Qaeda or inspired by jihadist ideology have carried out four terrorist attacks in the United States since September 11, which have resulted in 17 deaths. Thirteen of them were in a shooting incident at Fort Hood, Texas, in November 2009.
By contrast, right-wing extremists have committed at least eight lethal terrorist attacks in the United States that have resulted in the deaths of nine people since 9/11, according to data compiled by the New America Foundation.

And if, after investigation, Sunday's attack on the Sikh temple in Wisconsin is included in this count, the death toll from right-wing terrorism in the U.S. over the past decade rises to 15.

The shooting suspect, Wade Michael Page, posed with a Nazi flag on his Facebook page and has played a prominent role in "white power" music groups. The FBI is investigating the case as a "domestic terrorist-type incident."

A particular concern for law enforcement is the Sovereign Citizens movement, whose adherents reject all U.S. laws as well as taxation and American currency. An FBI report published in 2011 said "lone-offender sovereign-citizen extremists have killed six law enforcement officers" since 2000.

There were always 3 plausible choices, islamic terrorists, rwes and lone nut job. I put them in order of plausibility. If I were a LEO, that is what I would focus on every time there is an incident like this. RWEs are just as passionate about their beliefs as Islamic terrorists.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/opinion/bergen-terrorism-wisconsin

 

[CanOWorms]

You're stretching the term "white" to the point it's become meaningless in this conversation.

Fern

You are narrowing it to an extreme degree. White is white. These terrorists are white. White males. Just like Loughner, Page, Holmes, Lanza, etc. As another poster stated, even the FBI claimed that the terrorists are white males.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Yes, as I said, the FBI has stated that they are/were white males. We also have an indication that one of them had not assimilated into American culture, which is rapidly changing, IMO. This is EXACTLY what I have been talking about for years here.

 

[Matt1970]

Well its not like RWEs are not on the radar screen for terrorism.



There were always 3 plausible choices, islamic terrorists, rwes and lone nut job. I put them in order of plausibility. If I were a LEO, that is what I would focus on every time there is an incident like this. RWEs are just as passionate about their beliefs as Islamic terrorists.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/opinion/bergen-terrorism-wisconsin

Did you not see the "opinion" in the web address? Op-ed pieces are not considered fact.

Right-wing extremist terrorism as deadly a threat as al Qaeda?

Did right-wing extremeists fly jets into buildings and kill thousands?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Meanwhile 15 did die in a chemical plant explosion
thanks to greedy shareholders that pocketed the
maintenance budgets for years , i guess that the
Boston events came as a saving graces for said
capitalists....

Idiot
Shareholders DO NOT control company budgets.

 

[Matt1970]

Idiot
Shareholders DO NOT control company budgets.

Did you forget? Nobody responds to him.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Did you forget? Nobody responds to him.

 

[Abwx]

Idiot
Shareholders DO NOT control company budgets.

The idiot is the one that ignore that the directors
are selected by aboard of shareholders that set the targeted
profitability ratios.
If not attained the whole direction can be ousted
and replaced...

 

[Abwx]

Did you forget? Nobody responds to him.

He neednt , answer by the usual hatefull supremacists
that hang by there are invariably redundant in their
natural behaviour , as proved unwillingly by HateKeeper....

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What shareholders? It's a privately owned company that only had a single location.

http://companies.findthecompany.com/l/898755/Adair-Grain-Inc-in-West-TX

Adair Grain, Inc was founded in 1958, and is Privately held.

http://www.manta.com/c/mm67kv5/adair-grain-inc

 

[Sulaco]

Why should anyone apologize for having a theory that is later proven wrong? Would you have "apologized" if this attack, like the Olympic Centennial Park bombing, was in fact the product of a right wing white man?

It's not the theory, it's the combative, self-assured, demeaning of other viewpoints way in which their "theory" was presented.

It's the difference between saying, "I think it's going to rain tomorrow", vs. "It's going to rain tomorrow. It just is. Anyone who can't see it's going to rain is fucking clueless and living in denial. It's so raining tomorrow it's not even funny, lol at anyone who thinks it's not going to rain".

And then it doesn't rain.

You see how there's kind of a difference there?

 

[Abwx]

What shareholders? It's a privately owned company that only had a single location.

Even if there s only an owner he s still a shareholder ,
just that he detain 100% of the capital/stocks , nothing
keeps him from being himself the CEO , wich make
financial decisions even easier....

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Even if there s only an owner he s still a shareholder ,
just that he detain 100% of the capital/stocks , nothing
keeps him from being himself the CEO , wich make
financial decisions even easier....

The fact of the matter is the owner started buying, storing and selling ammonium nitrate. Apparently didn't realize the dangers of doing so nor the requirement that an amount greater than 200 pounds had to be reported to the DHS. The owner also didn't update his emergency response or inform the local emergency services.

 

[Abwx]

The fact of the matter is the owner started buying, storing and selling ammonium nitrate. Apparently didn't realize the dangers of doing so nor the requirement that an amount greater than 200 pounds had to be reported to the DHS. The owner also didn't update his emergency response or inform the local emergency services.

Thanks for the hint...

I was merely pointing the fact that 15 were killed in the process
yet i dont think that 9000 cops were sent to find the boss
and it doesnt seems to matter for the press anyway,
all things point to Boston event as being a bigger carnage....

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Thanks for the hint...

I was merely pointing the fact that 15 were killed in the process
yet i dont think that 9000 cops were sent to find the boss
and it doesnt seems to matter for the press anyway,
all things point to Boston event as being a bigger carnage....

Why would they need to send cops to find the owner of the fertilizer plant? He was involved as soon as he was aware of the fire in the plant.

Unless there's proof that shows he started the fire on purpose it's an accident that resulted in deaths unlike what happened in Boston which was a calculated attack/an act of terrorism that resulted in deaths.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Alot of people prefer to be in denial of these things.

I don't think anybody commented on my post regarding the FBI being deeply involved w\ the '93 wtc bombing and possibly even letting active materials go into the bomb instead of inert materials.

There were several similar events in the past 10 years including one close to me in Dallas where they got some shmuck off the internet and gave him a fake bomb to put somewhere, then arrested him to make people think they were doing something about terror or that there was even a legitimate threat of terror.... when ultimately it was purely manufactured by the US Gov.

and the Police should do that more often, if they did they would get them all ,by just going to the Internet sites and listen what some people say in favour of the terrorists, i think they should lure them all, the people that talk about doing terrorist and get these people under investigation so we can be more safe,i don't mind to loose some liberties in favour of better security.

 

[monovillage]

I just love watching the leftist/progressives here try to lie and cover up who committed yet another act of terrorism.

Guess what guys, it was Muslim terrorists once again.

 

[spidey07]

I just love watching the leftist/progressives here try to lie and cover up who committed yet another act of terrorism.

Guess what guys, it was Muslim terrorists once again.

No!

They are white guys!

 

[bshole]

I just love watching the leftist/progressives here try to lie and cover up who committed yet another act of terrorism.

Guess what guys, it was Muslim terrorists once again.

Um, I think we know that now. Who exactly is disagreeing that it was Muslim terrorists? Since this thread is now 43 pages long, I may have missed it, I didn't read every single page. It is certainly my impression that nobody is arguing that it is not Muslim terrorists.

I do not think it was "organized" Muslim terrorists (with a known terrorist outfit backing them), but more of a lone wolf type of incident (like the attack on the military base). Honestly the lone wolf attacks are scarier because there really isn't much you can do to stop them. They aren't talking to "handlers" overseas or anything, they just blow a gasket and start killing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

In this exact case absolutely, I would have apologized, said I was horribly wrong and likely changed my opinion of the right.

This wasn't a theory though, almost all the experts said this showed signs of radical Islam. I watched most all the news channels and with the exception of a few anchors on MSNBC I never heard of a serious explanation other than radical Islam. The only surprise came from these guys not actually being Arabic.

What baffled me here is that dumbasses kept saying it was a RWE through and through and now they barely say anything.

The quoted language is an out-and-out lie, and if it isn't, you're a weak-willed boob. There is no reason to apologize for being wrong. In this case a Muslim terrorist was, I think, the likeliest scenario, but the second likeliest (given that the attack happened on tax day) was a right wing extremist. There is nothing stupid about either theory.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

No!

They are white guys!

Says the very man who called them "Hadjis."

Moron.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Says the very man who called them "Hadjis."

Moron.

Sadly, such racism isn't very surprising here anymore.

 

[monovillage]

No!

They are white guys!

Yep, and the liars try to avoid what the connotation of that word is in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connotation

A connotation is a commonly understood subjective cultural or emotional association that some word or phrase carries, in addition to the word's or phrase's explicit or literal meaning, which is its denotation.