Boston Bombing -- Who Did It?

[WelshBloke]

Well he is an idiot. Would I say it to his face? What do you think? ()

I was just mocking Incorruptibles new favourite argument.

 

[desura]

I will give some personal experiences about my dealings with Muslims. This is just from past experiences and observations.


No matter what country I have met Muslims they ALWAYS seem to put Islam before the Western Society they live in. You cannot imagine the negative things they say about Western people although they themselves are enjoying the Western "dream" and freedom.

For example, I have cousins who are Roman Catholic but born and raised in England. One of them in the past joined the British army while they were fighting the IRA. He eventually ended up doing a stint in Northern Ireland. He never once questioned his duty and the fact that he could kill a fellow Roman Catholic. Religion did not come first over duty to Country.

Now a Muslim has a high probability in my opinion to put Islam before any Country or army. One never knows when they can go Jihad on their own troops.

They love the Western freedom and choices but yet criticize the crap out the Western society they live in at the same time because it is not halal.

This is a bigoted post. The Muslims I've known enjoyed the American way of life, would never attack this country.

Plus, the facts of the case IMO point away from a Muslim extremist--

1. 2nd tier city
2. no claiming of responsibility
3. relatively simple bomb
4. target that does not fit in the M.O. of previous Islamist attacks.
4a. for example, Ft. Hood was against US Army soldiers who would likely deploy to Iraq. WTC was against the US economy, which is related to the US involvment in MidEast. Muslim converts who have attacked their fellow soldiers have done so because they don't want the soldiers to kill Muslims.
4b. marathon not really related at all to anything middle east.

--and--

5. marathon related to gun control. Newtown was the theme of the final mile of the race. Newtown families were present at the finish line VIP area.

 

[boomerang]

Do we really know that it was terrorism? It could be another case of work place violence by an angry Muslim like the Ft. Hood shootings.

If laughed a lot at this. Is that wrong?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I was just mocking Incorruptibles new favourite argument.

Oh I wasn't endorsing anything. Since this thread doesn't really bring anything to light except perhaps about members themselves, it's as useless as tits on a boar hog. I always liked that saying

Here's another one.

When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.
That seems to apply.

 

[boomerang]

You are taking stupidity to a whole new level.

And he makes it look soooo easy!

 

[Incorruptible]

More name-calling. Of course it was a terroristic event. I'm simply saying that based on the facts that I see, Islamic terrorism seems unlikely, and a right-winger motivated by impending gun legislation seems likely.

And this is why you are wrong. You only believe that right wingers could do this and not the left. Apparently you don't remember bill ayers? No you don't because you're a pathetic hack and a piece of shit.

You want it to be right wingers which makes you even more pathetic. Using the deaths of innocent people to push your political agenda.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Some tea party loons is my bet.

 

[Incorruptible]

Some tea party loons is my bet.

Nah, The weather underground types or progressives would be more likely.

 

[waggy]

It was freakin aliens, no doubt about it!!!

i didn't think of aliens. hmm fuck i have to rethink it being a homegrown nutcase .

:hmm: that would explain the person yo usee on the roof. it was a alien using his phase gun.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a bigoted post. The Muslims I've known enjoyed the American way of life, would never attack this country.

Plus, the facts of the case IMO point away from a Muslim extremist--

1. 2nd tier city
2. no claiming of responsibility
3. relatively simple bomb
4. target that does not fit in the M.O. of previous Islamist attacks.
4a. for example, Ft. Hood was against US Army soldiers who would likely deploy to Iraq. WTC was against the US economy, which is related to the US involvment in MidEast. Muslim converts who have attacked their fellow soldiers have done so because they don't want the soldiers to kill Muslims.
4b. marathon not really related at all to anything middle east.

--and--

5. marathon related to gun control. Newtown was the theme of the final mile of the race. Newtown families were present at the finish line VIP area.

Rats.

 

[Matt1970]

Some tea party loons is my bet.

Oh ya, because the Tea Party had had so many instances of violence in the past.

 

[desura]

And this is why you are wrong. You only believe that right wingers could do this and not the left. Apparently you don't remember bill ayers? No you don't because you're a pathetic hack and a piece of shit.

You want it to be right wingers which makes you even more pathetic. Using the deaths of innocent people to push your political agenda.

Bill Ayers isn't active anymore.

I can't really remember the last time a leftist group bombed/committed murder in the USA. The cause for the Weather Underground was the Vietnam war. When the war ended, the leftists lost their cause and dispersed.

Meanwhile, I know in 1996 Eric Rudolph bombed the Olympics, then a lesbian bar, because he was angry about abortion. I know that Tim McVeigh bombed the federal building in OKC in 1994, with right wing motivations.

To state the obvious: right wing violence is more prevalent, destructive, and recent than left-wing violence.

Left wing violence had its heyday in the 1970's, but it ended long ago.

I'm totally willing to blame left-wing violence if the facts line up. but the facts don't line up.

 

[Matt1970]

Rats.

It was freakin aliens, no doubt about it!!!

Alien Rats.

 

[nixium]

This is a bigoted post. The Muslims I've known enjoyed the American way of life, would never attack this country.

Plus, the facts of the case IMO point away from a Muslim extremist--

1. 2nd tier city
2. no claiming of responsibility
3. relatively simple bomb
4. target that does not fit in the M.O. of previous Islamist attacks.
4a. for example, Ft. Hood was against US Army soldiers who would likely deploy to Iraq. WTC was against the US economy, which is related to the US involvment in MidEast. Muslim converts who have attacked their fellow soldiers have done so because they don't want the soldiers to kill Muslims.
4b. marathon not really related at all to anything middle east.

--and--

5. marathon related to gun control. Newtown was the theme of the final mile of the race. Newtown families were present at the finish line VIP area.

You ignored this:

Inspire magazine has serialised the writings of Abu Mus’ab Al-Suri, calling on American Muslims to launch lone wolf attacks against places where large numbers of civilians gather, such as sporting events.

In an issue last year, he wrote: “The type of attack, which repels states and topples governments, is mass slaughter of the population. This is done by targeting human crowds in order to inflict maximum human losses.

“This is very easy since there are numerous such targets such as crowded sports arenas, annual social events, large international exhibitions, crowded marketplaces, sky-scrapers, crowded buildings… etc."

 

[Remobz]

Unfortunately there are RADICALS who do believe in this nonsense. And be prepared to get attacked for what you just posted.

This movie with Lacy turner (British Actress) sums it up rather nicely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Girl

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2485988/


"""Our Girl is the story of Molly Dawes, born and raised in the London Borough of Newham. Molly is the eldest of five kids with little future, a difficult father and a mother who always wanted more for her. Leaving school with no qualifications, Molly has a part-time job in a local nail bar. Drunk and despondent on the evening of her 18th birthday, she throws up in the doorway of an Army Recruitment Office. She doesn't know it then, but it's an action that will change her life forever......"""


Molly Dawes has a Muslim boyfriend and when she first tells him that she joined the British Army, what you think he says? He says, are you crazy the British Army is killing Muslims over there!

He could care less about Britain and serving his Country of Great Britain.

Yes, it is only a movie but one cannot tell me that the great majority of Muslim youths living in Western societies do not feel the same way as Molly's Muslim boyfriend in the movie.

 

[slayernine]

It was obviously the anti-exorcise anti-running lobby.

 

[desura]

You ignored this:

I read it, but so far it hasn't happened.

Also, you're ignoring that the attack is relatively simple compared to other Islamic extremist attacks. This was just a pressure cooker in backpack with shrapnel. Very simple compared to other Islamic attacks I've read of.

Faisal and Richard Reid attended terrorist camps in Pakistan, and they likely read lots of literature in these Islamic networks on how to construct bombs. So, their attacks were more sophisticated.

I can, however, cite a right-wing militia extremist attack on a goodwill sporting event -- 1996 Atlanta. Using a bomb in a bag with a timer. Just like this one.

 

[Matt1970]

Bill Ayers isn't active anymore.

I can't really remember the last time a leftist group bombed/committed murder in the USA. The cause for the Weather Underground was the Vietnam war. When the war ended, the leftists lost their cause and dispersed.

Meanwhile, I know in 1996 Eric Rudolph bombed the Olympics, then a lesbian bar, because he was angry about abortion. I know that Tim McVeigh bombed the federal building in OKC in 1994, with right wing motivations.

To state the obvious: right wing violence is more prevalent, destructive, and recent than left-wing violence.

Left wing violence had its heyday in the 1970's, but it ended long ago.

I'm totally willing to blame left-wing violence if the facts line up. but the facts don't line up.

I guess you are going to ignore the Occupy plot blow up a bridge near Cleveland.

 

[Matt1970]

I read it, but so far it hasn't happened.

Oh ya, it sounds nothing like like it. "calling on American Muslims to launch lone wolf attacks against places where large numbers of civilians gather, such as sporting events."

Now you are taking denial to a new level.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Oh ya, because the Tea Party had had so many instances of violence in the past.

Just my opinion. I don't care if you like it or not.

These whack jobs have a history of spewing anti-government and anti-tax rhetoric so the whole tax day/Boston/tea party angle makes some sense.

Doesn't seem to be any particular Islamic group stepping up and claiming responsibility... and they usually do.

No, my bet is on a Timothy McVeigh type with ties to right wing organizations like the tea party nutters.

 

[Remobz]

This is a bigoted post. The Muslims I've known enjoyed the American way of life, would never attack this country.

Plus, the facts of the case IMO point away from a Muslim extremist--

1. 2nd tier city
2. no claiming of responsibility
3. relatively simple bomb
4. target that does not fit in the M.O. of previous Islamist attacks.
4a. for example, Ft. Hood was against US Army soldiers who would likely deploy to Iraq. WTC was against the US economy, which is related to the US involvment in MidEast. Muslim converts who have attacked their fellow soldiers have done so because they don't want the soldiers to kill Muslims.
4b. marathon not really related at all to anything middle east.

--and--

5. marathon related to gun control. Newtown was the theme of the final mile of the race. Newtown families were present at the finish line VIP area.

The Muslims you know........how well you really know them or anyone for that matter?

Of course, we are all giving our own opinions here and maybe I met MOSTLY (not all of them) pissed off Muslims in Western society.

I am still of the OPINION that a greater number of Muslims that you and I ever will know are secretly disgusted with many Western societies and anything could trigger them off. And what I mean by trigger is not only doing bombings but by spying and giving out sensitive information that would help radicals for example.

Like I said, it don't take much to piss Muslims off and make them turn to the other side.

My opinion of course.....

 

[Matt1970]

Just my opinion. I don't care if you like it or not.

These whack jobs have a history of spewing anti-government and anti-tax rhetoric so the whole tax day/Boston/tea party angle makes some sense.

Doesn't seem to be any particular Islamic group stepping up and claiming responsibility... and they usually do.

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For several months after the 9/11 attacks, no one, nor any group, claimed responsibility for the attacks. Try again.

 

[spidey07]

Just my opinion. I don't care if you like it or not.

These whack jobs have a history of spewing anti-government and anti-tax rhetoric so the whole tax day/Boston/tea party angle makes some sense.

Doesn't seem to be any particular Islamic group stepping up and claiming responsibility... and they usually do.

No, my bet is on a Timothy McVeigh type with ties to right wing organizations like the tea party nutters.

The bomb was apparently like other bombs used by muslims in terror attacks. Don't let the facts get in your bigotry though.

Also remember it was quite some time...weeks if not a month, before anybody claimed 9/11. Don't let that fact get in the way either.

All signs point to muslim terrorist.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is a bigoted post. The Muslims I've known enjoyed the American way of life, would never attack this country.

Plus, the facts of the case IMO point away from a Muslim extremist--

1. 2nd tier city
2. no claiming of responsibility
3. relatively simple bomb
4. target that does not fit in the M.O. of previous Islamist attacks.
4a. for example, Ft. Hood was against US Army soldiers who would likely deploy to Iraq. WTC was against the US economy, which is related to the US involvment in MidEast. Muslim converts who have attacked their fellow soldiers have done so because they don't want the soldiers to kill Muslims.
4b. marathon not really related at all to anything middle east.

--and--

5. marathon related to gun control. Newtown was the theme of the final mile of the race. Newtown families were present at the finish line VIP area.

Ft. Hood wasn't terrorism by a Muslim extremist...it was "workplace violence". Apparently you didn't get the memo.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-hero-obama-betrayed-victims/story?id=18465024

Despite extensive evidence that Hasan was in communication with al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki prior to the attack, the military has denied the victims a Purple Heart and is treating the incident as "workplace violence" instead of "combat related" or terrorism.

 

[Abwx]

You ignored this:

Funny link....

A terrorism sponsoring site published by a jew controlled
organisation that tracks terrorists writings.???...

Inspire is an English language online magazine reported to be published by the organization SITE Institute. The use of the magazine is to increase the availability of their message without challenges to their value system. The magazine is one of the many ways AQAP uses the Internet to reach its audience. The magazine is also a political warfare tool targeting the American and other Western governments, with the intent of inspiring homegrown terrorism.

The Search for International Terrorist Entities (SITE) Intelligence Group is an organization that tracks the online activity of terrorist organizations.[1] The SITE Institute was founded in 2002 by Rita Katz and Josh Devon, who had left the Investigative Project (a private Islamist-terrorist tracking group).[2]