Boston marathon explosions

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kranky

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Man, normally I have no problem being calm at work but the theories my co-workers are throwing around are making me crazy. These are people who never discuss politics or current events that I can recall. But today they are all deep-thinking expert analysts.

Of course, nobody can explain any reasoning behind the theories, but they are SURE they are right.

1. It was North Korea, as a distraction.
2. This was the beginning of targeting marathons, 5Ks, and bike races. Leading up to the Tour de France.
3. People protesting the war in Afghanistan
4. Training exercise for an even bigger thing.
5. US-based followers of Al Qaeda who were told to do their own thing in the US and not wait to be given instructions from higher-ups.

It's OK for people not to be 100% on top of current events, but for goodness sake, if you don't know anything then don't throw your half-baked assertions out there as if they were certain. My lip is bleeding from biting it to keep from jumping into the discussions.
 
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Fine, but I'm just pointing out that this bombing is more in line with domestic terrorism than Islamic.

I think you should read this post. An excellent post that speaks the truth.

It's OK for people not to be 100% on top of current events, but for goodness sake, if you don't know anything then don't throw your half-baked assertions out there as if they were certain. My lip is bleeding from biting it to keep from jumping into the discussions.
 

IGBT

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so where was Bill Ayers when this occurred and what was he doing in the days leading up to this??

He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

..how many bomb makers has Ayers trained over the decades??

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/b...protester-talks-life-with.html?pagewanted=all




Further information: Weather Underground (organization)

Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[10] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang," Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.

The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Before the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[8] "During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously been a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant who was killed in 1970 along with Ayers' girlfriend Oughton and one other member in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, while constructing anti-personnel bombs intended for a non-commissioned officer dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.[11]

In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[8] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.[12] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[13] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[13][14] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast, and in January 1972 it was moved to Chicago police headquarters).[15]

Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Two major decisions came out of the "War Council." The first was to immediately begin a violent, armed struggle (e.g., bombings and armed robberies) against the state without attempting to organize or mobilize a broad swath of the public. The second was to create underground collectives in major cities throughout the country.[16] Larry Grathwohl, a Federal Bureau of Investigation informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, stated that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".[17]
 

xj0hnx

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This is so much like the 1996 Atlanta bombing that I think it's most likely a militia type mad about gun control legislation.

Really? And the connection between the Boston Marathon and gun control is? Oh that's right, there is none. This is as bad as those saying it's a government false flag operation.
 

desura

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Really? And the connection between the Boston Marathon and gun control is? Oh that's right, there is none. This is as bad as those saying it's a government false flag operation.

Relation:

1. Final mile dedicated to Newtown.
2. Newtown families at finish line, near bomb.
3. Newtown families lobbying Congress for passage of gun background check bill.

and so I'm willing to bet that the bomber made the calculation that a bomb would take away attention from gun control, reducing its chances of passage.
 

desura

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Mar 22, 2013
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so where was Bill Ayers when this occurred and what was he doing in the days leading up to this??

He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

..how many bomb makers has Ayers trained over the decades??

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/b...protester-talks-life-with.html?pagewanted=all




Further information: Weather Underground (organization)

Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[10] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang," Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.

The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Before the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[8] "During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously been a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant who was killed in 1970 along with Ayers' girlfriend Oughton and one other member in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, while constructing anti-personnel bombs intended for a non-commissioned officer dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.[11]

In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[8] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.[12] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[13] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[13][14] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast, and in January 1972 it was moved to Chicago police headquarters).[15]

Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Two major decisions came out of the "War Council." The first was to immediately begin a violent, armed struggle (e.g., bombings and armed robberies) against the state without attempting to organize or mobilize a broad swath of the public. The second was to create underground collectives in major cities throughout the country.[16] Larry Grathwohl, a Federal Bureau of Investigation informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, stated that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".[17]

1969 was over 40 years ago.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Relation:

1. Final mile dedicated to Newtown.
2. Newtown families at finish line, near bomb.
3. Newtown families lobbying Congress for passage of gun background check bill.

and so I'm willing to bet that the bomber made the calculation that a bomb would take away attention from gun control, reducing its chances of passage.

You've constructed a scenario. What facts do you have to back up that it's correct? Anything?

Meh, you are as bad as the Mooslum haters. I've done with your nonsense for now.
 

who?

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After Greek terrorists left bombs in rental luggage lockers in the Athens airport in the 1970s those lockers were removed from airports and bus stations. Is something going to be done to reduce the risk of bombs left in public trash containers?
 

cubby1223

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Relation:

1. Final mile dedicated to Newtown.
2. Newtown families at finish line, near bomb.
3. Newtown families lobbying Congress for passage of gun background check bill.

and so I'm willing to bet that the bomber made the calculation that a bomb would take away attention from gun control, reducing its chances of passage.

...by targeting the one thing that could bring the discussion back to gun control?

Sorry, you're acting like a nut-job.
 

desura

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he's still a terrorist. the only reason he's held in high esteem by liberals is because he advances the leftist liberal agenda.

I actually hold him in very low esteem and I wish that he were homeless, not a tenured faculty member.

But the facts are the facts. He has not been involved in violence since his Weather Underground days.
 

Darwin333

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I have a problem with anyone drawing conclusions when no facts exist because their prejudices make them. There is no evidence at all to support the assertion. And my issue was with the characterization that only Islamists display depraved inhumanity so it must be them. Rudolph, McVeigh, Newtown, Aurora... The list goes on and the one thing they all share is depraved inhumanity.

You might want to call that PC. Most sane people would call that not jumping to wild conclusions without a shred of proof.

So freaking this.

Thank you and very well put.
 

Darwin333

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That was Eric Rudolph and it was a cowardly act and now he is serving life in prison. These types of bombs are more associated with radical Islamists.

You seem to have a problem with that poster pointing out how radical Islamists commit these style of bombings.

PC much?

Sigh...

These types of bombs are typical of ANYFUCKINGONE who builds anything from a pipe bomb to larger devices like this. The VAST majority (as in all but a very few which is probably not statistically relevant) of assholes who blow shit up want to inflict as much damage as possible and adding shrapnel to your bomb is an absurdly cheap, easy and no tech way to vastly increase its potential damage.

FFS it would actually be surprising if the devices didn't have some sort of shrapnel in it. The fact that it does isn't even a small "clue" as to who planned and carried the attack out. Yes, it might be radical Muslims but so far I have seen as much proof that it is radical Muslims as I have seen proof that it was your priest or pastor.

Jesus fucking christ on a stick, why don't you sit back and watch Fox news and if they determine it was radical Islamic s you can have your orgasm and then come make a dozen threads about how we need to trample over the constitution to deal with "those people".
 

Darwin333

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What utter hypocrisy. If a Muslim does it then it doesn't represent all Muslims but if one Conservative says something then you want to stereotype them all.

I'll be damned, you actually made a valid point!! It even had the word "Muslim" in the post which increased my shock at least ten fold. Bravo my friend, I am proud of you!
 

IGBT

Lifer
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I actually hold him in very low esteem and I wish that he were homeless, not a tenured faculty member.

But the facts are the facts. He has not been involved in violence since his Weather Underground days.


terrorists have operatives and alibis. He colluded with other terrorists and willing accomplices.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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Let's summarize:

1. You concede (by default) that contrary to your flaming bigotry, shrapnel bombing is NOT a tactic mostly limited to Muslims.

2. You concede you are a malignant puss pocket.

3. You concede you are an epic idiot.

4. You take issue with me assuming other purported conservatives are also wrong-headed, bigoted, malignant puss pockets of stupidity.

Good, since we agree on the first three points, let me help with the fourth. I do not assume at all that all conservatives are so damaged as you. On the contrary, I recently stated in another thread that such defectives, though prominent here, are not representative of the broad conservative base at all. Unfortunately, many people are not so perceptive. They see you drowning thread after thread in bigoted, ignorant noise and assume you speak for all conservatives. That is neither fair nor accurate. There are many intelligent, well-reasoned conservatives. Just not you.

So, rest assured that we are on the same side on this issue. I also want to spread the word that not all conservatives are as useless as you. You are you own special little cesspool of stupid.

Aww come on, he actually had a valid point for once. I know its got to suck coming off one of your posts but its his first time. Let him enjoy it a bit.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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You are a moron. I have stated that it's possible it could be a white guy and I also said that these type of bombs with shrapnel are more associated with radical Islamists. I was attacking the PC/leftists.

But hey keep acting like a tough guy behind your computer.

And I hate to break this to you but I would bet that the United States Government has exploded more devices with shrapnel intentionally meant to kill and maim than "radical muslims" have. They even give regular soldiers these things called "fragmentation grenades" which is exactly the type of device that you claim is more associated with radical Islamists.

Since that is out of the way are you now going to change your opinion on the most likely candidate?

As far as attacking the pc/leftists, is it now a pc/leftist tactic to wait until at least some sort of information is available before making wildly ignorant assumptions? Sorry, I didn't get the memo and I like to keep up with stuff like this so I can anticipate what I will be called next.
 

CrackRabbit

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I'll be damned, you actually made a valid point!! It even had the word "Muslim" in the post which increased my shock at least ten fold. Bravo my friend, I am proud of you!

I think he got tired of everyone making fun of the fact that his English skills were at a sub high school level.

BTW Incorruptible, you might want to take kranky's advice as well.
 

NoStateofMind

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I guess it depends on how many bullshit false alarms and bullshit reports they typically get. If there are an average of 25 potential threats to the Superbowl every year what good would it do? We would just get numb to the reports since 99.999% of the time nothing happens.

If government truly cared they would warn each and every time. My life and limbs are precious to me. I suppose those are valued by many of citizens. IDC how many times I heard it I would want to know. Then again we may have different ideas on what we value.

If they had something that was actually credible and failed to act or warn, thats a different discussion.

Being that there was already a report from someone earlier in this thread that bomb sniffing dogs (its just a training exercise IIRC) were on scene before the race and also had never seen them at a race like this before, someone knew something. If that holds true, the Government knew of a bomb threat and failed to warn the people. This makes them responsible in part because their job is to protect. Not very good at one of their main "purposes" if you ask me.
 
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