Boston University group offers white scholarship

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Award meant to protest race-based scholarships

Looking to draw attention to what they call the "worst form of bigotry confronting America today," Boston University's College Republicans are circulating an application for a "Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship" that requires applicants be at least 25 percent Caucasian.

"Did we do this to give a scholarship to white kids? Of course not," the scholarship reads. "Did we do it to trigger a discussion on what we believe to be the morally wrong practice of basing decisions in our schools and our jobs on racial preferences rather than merit? Absolutely."

The scholarship, which is privately funded by the BUCR without the support of the university, is meant to raise awareness, group members say. BUCR member argue that racial preferences are a form of "bigotry." The group has a similar view on affirmative action.

The application for the $250 scholarship, due Nov. 30, requires applicants be full-time BU undergraduate students and one-fourth Caucasian and maintain at least a 3.2 cumulative GPA. Applicants must submit two essays, one describing the applicant's ancestry and one describing "what it means to you to be a Caucasian-American today."

BUCR President Joe Mroszczyk said he spoke to Dean of Students Kenneth Elmore before publicly releasing the scholarship to make sure it would be legal. Mroszczyk said BUCR members also talked to others beforehand, some of whom were initially "agitated or upset" but understood the point after members explained themselves, he said.

"If you give out a white scholarship, it's racist, and if you give out a Hispanic scholarship, it is OK," the College of Arts and Sciences senior said. "It is the main point. We are not doing this scholarship as a white-supremacy scholarship."

La Fuerza Co-Chair Sara-Marie Pons, who is also on the Admissions Student Diversity Board, said although she agrees with BUCR's claim that racial preference is "contradictory to our American ideals of freedom and equality," she feels American history justifies today's affirmative action." Our country oppressed people of color for centuries while everyone else who was 'preferred' continued to succeed and lead our country in all aspects," the School of Management senior said in an email. "The goal of a university in striving to admit more students of color is a positive movement to increase the diversity of its institution."

Pons said the university's diversity creates a "better learning environment" and "dynamic discussion." She said she believes minority-specific scholarships serve an important function.

"While I can see the controversy over scholarships toward specific ethnic groups, we need to keep in mind its intention," she said. "The [group-specific] scholarship is there to increase the interest of students in that group to continue their education and reach the equality that we all strive for."

After the recipient is chosen, BUCR plans to host an event to honor the winner and speak about the award, as well as hold a forum discussion about racial preference, Mroszczyk said.

Mroszczyk said the BUCR borrowed the scholarship idea from the College Republicans at Roger Williams University in Bristol, R.I., which sponsored a similar award in 2003. Former RWU College Republicans President Jason Mattera said the "whites-only" scholarship was meant to be a parody, but it brought harsh media attention to their campus.

Mattera, now the Young American's Foundation National Spokesman, a group supporting the conservative movement, said the idea was spurred when RWU administrators "compiled a list of scholarships for people of color only." Although Mattera, a Puerto Rican, would have been eligible for some of these scholarships, he said he still wanted to "expose the inequities."

RWU College Republicans adviser June Speakman said the organization started receiving complaints as soon as it released the scholarship. Despite protests, 15 students applied for the scholarship.

"It was a way to make their protests highly visible, provocative," she said. "They stuck to their guns. They were steadfast."

Speakman said the scholarship was discontinued after its first year when the national and state Republican parties severed ties with RWU College Republicans.

Mattera said people were aware the scholarship had "nothing to do with racism," but the Republican National Committee still did not want to be affiliated with the scholarship.

"The RNC under [former chair] Ed Gillespie disagreed with me," Mattera said. "For Ed Gillespie to be dismissive or to imply that there was racism, he lacked any type of -- to put it bluntly -- balls in standing up against racial preferences. It would have been a great opportunity."

Regarding BU's adaptation of this scholarship, Mattera said he is glad the BUCR is interested in continuing to promote awareness.

"I guarantee that once this happens, be ready for hypocritical charges of racism, and be ready to be attacked," Mattera said, "but once they attack you, the hypocrisy is exposed."

I'll repost this with my opinion up front, because I think it's a great (and important) topic for discussion.

I think this is awesome. People have talked about it for years, it's about time someone actually did it. I have long supported formation of the United Aryan College Fund. Hopefully this spawns a national anti-political correctness movement which completely undermines all the stupidity of the last 3 or 4 decades.
 

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If Black only scholarships are ok, then you can't say that white only ones are not. I have no problem with any private organization (charity or not) giving scholarships based on whatever the heck they want to base it on. After all more people in college = better economy. However, it seems that this was done with malicious intent and not done to just give out scholarships.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: sdy284
wtf...why was my topic locked...

can the mod that closed it please PM me

Why should he? You're supposed to include some form of input in the original post, yet you explicitly said you wouldn't until someone else did. The mod even said that in the thread. It's not a brain teaser.
 

sdy284

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Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If Black only scholarships are ok, then you can't say that white only ones are not. I have no problem with any private organization (charity or not) giving scholarships based on whatever the heck they want to base it on. After all more people in college = better economy. However, it seems that this was done with malicious intent and not done to just give out scholarships.

it was done to raise awareness about the state of AA and how incredibly stupid it's become.

When my cousin first applied to the University of Illinois...he was not admitted because they needed to keep room for "minority" students. So he was put on the waiting list. Luckily, he finally was admitted, but only because some other student decided not to go there. If that isn't the biggest crock of BS...i dunno what is.

Also...how many white policemen/firefighters are denied jobs because the particular unit they're applying to needs to maintain a certain percentage of minorities?

It sure makes me feel GREAT that our police/firemen, the ones who are paid to save lives... are hiring to maintain racial quota's instead of hiring the best man for the job.
 

sdy284

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: sdy284
wtf...why was my topic locked...

can the mod that closed it please PM me

Why should he? You're supposed to include some form of input in the original post, yet you explicitly said you wouldn't until someone else did. The mod even said that in the thread. It's not a brain teaser.

touche
 

Pacemaker

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Originally posted by: sdy284
Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If Black only scholarships are ok, then you can't say that white only ones are not. I have no problem with any private organization (charity or not) giving scholarships based on whatever the heck they want to base it on. After all more people in college = better economy. However, it seems that this was done with malicious intent and not done to just give out scholarships.

it was done to raise awareness about the state of AA and how incredibly stupid it's become.

When my cousin first applied to the University of Illinois...he was not admitted because they needed to keep room for "minority" students. So he was put on the waiting list. Luckily, he finally was admitted, but only because some other student decided not to go there. If that isn't the biggest crock of BS...i dunno what is.

Also...how many white policemen/firefighters are denied jobs because the particular unit they're applying to needs to maintain a certain percentage of minorities?

It sure makes me feel GREAT that our police/firemen, the ones who are paid to save lives... are hiring to maintain racial quota's instead of hiring the best man for the job.

The minority quotas and such upset me as well, but that has nothing to do with giving people money for school. People should have to get accepted based on what they did in their high school years not what race they are, but like I said I have no issue with private charities giving money for college to whoever they want (besides people who don't really need it because that is silly).
 

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Originally posted by: sdy284
Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If Black only scholarships are ok, then you can't say that white only ones are not. I have no problem with any private organization (charity or not) giving scholarships based on whatever the heck they want to base it on. After all more people in college = better economy. However, it seems that this was done with malicious intent and not done to just give out scholarships.

it was done to raise awareness about the state of AA and how incredibly stupid it's become.

When my cousin first applied to the University of Illinois...he was not admitted because they needed to keep room for "minority" students. So he was put on the waiting list. Luckily, he finally was admitted, but only because some other student decided not to go there. If that isn't the biggest crock of BS...i dunno what is.

Also...how many white policemen/firefighters are denied jobs because the particular unit they're applying to needs to maintain a certain percentage of minorities?

It sure makes me feel GREAT that our police/firemen, the ones who are paid to save lives... are hiring to maintain racial quota's instead of hiring the best man for the job.

You're quick to blame the "minority" students for your cousins waitlisting.
How do you know he was wait listed because of "minority" students? Your cousin was more likely wait listed due to a better applicants.
 

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The minority quotas and such upset me as well, but that has nothing to do with giving people money for school. People should have to get accepted based on what they did in their high school years not what race they are, but like I said I have no issue with private charities giving money for college to whoever they want (besides people who don't really need it because that is silly).

agreed

although i still find it amusing for the college itself (not a private org) to give more money to a minority student than a white student (based solely on the fact that they're a minority)
 

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Originally posted by: r6ashih
You're quick to blame the "minority" students for your cousins waitlisting.
How do you know he was wait listed because of "minority" students? Your cousin was more likely wait listed due to a better applicants.

His parents found out through a friend on the admissions board (or w/e its called)

and he recently graduated from the school with a 3.85 GPA and is now attending law school @ DePaul

so it's not like he didn't have the grades/smarts to get into the school in the firstplace
 

Pacemaker

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Originally posted by: sdy284
Originally posted by: r6ashih
You're quick to blame the "minority" students for your cousins waitlisting.
How do you know he was wait listed because of "minority" students? Your cousin was more likely wait listed due to a better applicants.

His parents found out through a friend on the admissions board (or w/e its called)

and he recently graduated from the school with a 3.85 GPA and is now attending law school @ DePaul

so it's not like he didn't have the grades/smarts to get into the school in the firstplace

It does seem strange that he didn't get in. Was he trying to get into the engineering program, because they are really hard on people who go for those majors (from IL and I know the U of I's reputation).
 

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Originally posted by: Pacemaker

It does seem strange that he didn't get in. Was he trying to get into the engineering program, because they are really hard on people who go for those majors (from IL and I know the U of I's reputation).

nope, he was a finance/business major i believe

(and i'm also from IL...i'm just goin to school in WI )
 

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"If you give out a white scholarship, it's racist, and if you give out a Hispanic scholarship, it is OK," the College of Arts and Sciences senior said. "It is the main point. We are not doing this scholarship as a white-supremacy scholarship."

That is actually a valid point.

In Alaska we have free health clinics for native americans...I don't think there is anything wrong with them existing...however...

If I tried to set up a free clinic that only accepted black people or white people...ohhh boy...you couldn't do either one of those, you'd get crucified lol.

I think people do complain too much about this kind of thing. However, I don't think it should be okay for a government-funded (whether state, local, or federal) organization to make race a priority at all. If some private school wants to let in only hot asian chicks..well whatever who cares .

Still though, I hear a lot about "it promotes diversity!". I think that arguement is B.S...

Do any schools where whites are a minority have affirmative action to get more white people into the school to promote diversity? LoL. Rigghtttt. And why should they? If they are going to get in it should be on their merits not based on the fact that they have different pigments in their skin.

There is only one race of humans and it includes people with all different kinds of skin pigmentation. It's time that was recognized. Affirmative action stuff based on race is trying to say one group is inferior to another.

How about coming out with "Affirmative action" not based on race but... /gasp...based on people's INCOME!!!
 

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Originally posted by: sdy284
Originally posted by: r6ashih
You're quick to blame the "minority" students for your cousins waitlisting.
How do you know he was wait listed because of "minority" students? Your cousin was more likely wait listed due to a better applicants.

His parents found out through a friend on the admissions board (or w/e its called)

and he recently graduated from the school with a 3.85 GPA and is now attending law school @ DePaul

so it's not like he didn't have the grades/smarts to get into the school in the firstplace

congrats to your cousin for doing so well.
You should ask the admission council person how many spots they save for their quotas.

Couldnt having a friend on the admission council be construed as having an unfair advantage as well?

 

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good for them,
the more scholarships the better. Although a rich, white anglosaxan scholarship would be kind of pointless...

On the different note, affirmative action is based on race because it aims to address a racially divided issue. The aim of aa is not to get poor kids into school (other programs do that), but rather is to get kids non-whites into school (in particular, historically underrepresented races ).
 

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R6, having good connections will always give you a huge advantage over others. More than anything else ever would. However, that advantage wouldn't be based on race or sexual orientation or whatever. It would be based on having a wider network of people that you knew than the other person did. And the way this country measures things like success--I doubt you would find many people who would say you shouldn't have the advantage if you are friends with the admission council.
 

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Originally posted by: halik
good for them,
the more scholarships the better. Although a rich, white anglosaxan scholarship would be kind of pointless...

Not all White anglosaxans are rich, some are very poor. Although I agree scholarships for the rich are pointless (regardless of race).
 

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I think it is because, institutionaly, education has not been easily accessible for minorities as it has been for white people. You can not just expect them to be competative the instant they are allowed to have access to it.


edit: didnt AA also help more women get into college as well?
 

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Admissions to college has relatively little to do with whether they think you can pass their classes or not (above a relatively low minimum standard). Sadly enough for your cousin the university thinks that other things besides GPA's and SAT scores are valuable for their college and their student body. Don't worry though, because he's white he will get hundreds of other advantages over those students in his life... so let them have this one.

Making a scholarship for whites is just a publicity ploy... and a stupid one at that.

There's nothing wrong with political correctness, it merely tries to combat casual racism/sexism/etc. This is good... stop treating it like the overblown Rush Limbaugh-ified monster that he would have you believe it is. Can it be taken too far? Sure. So can everything else on the planet though. Not a good reason not to respect it.

Affirmative action is not stupid, it is the best plan that I have seen for jump starting a segment of society into a cycle of self sustaining prosperity. Having large segments of your society that are uneducated and poverty stricken is inherently destabilizing and crime causing. This is bad. Will AA work? I don't know. If you've got a better way though I'd like to hear it.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Pacemaker
Originally posted by: halik
good for them,
the more scholarships the better. Although a rich, white anglosaxan scholarship would be kind of pointless...

Not all White anglosaxans are rich, some are very poor. Although I agree scholarships for the rich are pointless (regardless of race).

Yeah I suppose, but I would argue that access to federal scholarships (FAFSA etc.) is pretty level across the board. I've never heard of anyone complain that they have limited access to student loans because of their race. For some reason, though, people assume that affirmative action should somehow address income disparity.
 

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Originally posted by: r6ashih
congrats to your cousin for doing so well.
You should ask the admission council person how many spots they save for their quotas.

Couldnt having a friend on the admission council be construed as having an unfair advantage as well?

I don't personally know the person...or else i would

And obviously having a friend on the board didn't pay off because he got waitlisted & the only reason he got it was because someone else dropped out. So i'd definately say knowing someone on the board didn't help much in this case

 

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Originally posted by: sdy284
Originally posted by: r6ashih
congrats to your cousin for doing so well.
You should ask the admission council person how many spots they save for their quotas.

Couldnt having a friend on the admission council be construed as having an unfair advantage as well?

I don't personally know the person...or else i would

And obviously having a friend on the board didn't pay off because he got waitlisted & the only reason he got it was because someone else dropped out. So i'd definately say knowing someone on the board didn't help much in this case


I guess so, but I think it is presumptuous for you to blame just the minorities, you should blame all the other white people who got accepted because they took your cousins spot too.
 

sdy284

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Originally posted by: r6ashih
I guess so, but I think it is presumptuous for you to blame just the minorities, you should blame all the other white people who got accepted because they took your cousins spot too.

I'm not blaming the minorities. If they're smart enough & have the credentials to get into the school...then more power to them. But the school denying more than qualified applicants because they have to save room for the minorities...is retarded.


 

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The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
 
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