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Kazukian

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I think that common sense would dictate that if a patient is responding well to a drug, you shouldn't chance moving them to something new unless there's a good reason for it (like the current drug is losing its effectiveness). The reality of medicine today is we don't fully understand anything, and introducing any new drug involves some risk. I can see the plausibility of sticking with what they know works well for Ms. Clinton.

We live in the age of data, you're using a device that was unimaginable 100 years ago to post here, one of the great problems facing health care is educating consumers, data driven health care has given us a gold standard that can work miracles, the resistance to it in a forum here, a tech forum of all places is fucking priceless.
 

Meghan54

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Yes, data driven treatment does indicate changing medications, and you're out of touch with current standards of practice, congratulations.


Sorry, not out of touch, and if any physician wants to change a person's meds simply because the new med "is newer!", I'd honestly find a new MD. No competent physician willy nilly changes a med for a chronic condition when the present med is working well except if the MD is getting kickbacks for prescribing said "newer" med.
 

MongGrel

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We live in the age of data, you're using a device that was unimaginable 100 years ago to post here, one of the great problems facing health care is educating consumers, data driven health care has given us a gold standard that can work miracles, the resistance to it in a forum here, a tech forum of all places is fucking priceless.

Gotta push the new stuff.

I take it you may be a pusher, er, I mean pharmaceutical rep ?
 

Meghan54

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We live in the age of data, you're using a device that was unimaginable 100 years ago to post here, one of the great problems facing health care is educating consumers, data driven health care has given us a gold standard that can work miracles, the resistance to it in a forum here, a tech forum of all places is fucking priceless.

And you've been in medicine for how long? Data does give insights, but it's not the be-all end-all final decision point in the MD-patient narrative. Data does not look at contraindications, side effects, drug interactions.
 

Kazukian

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Well, the takeaway from all this is that Meghan is resistant to change, and fortunately, not a decision maker in the health care process, just another loud mouthed, opinionated keyboard warrior.

Keep shouting Meghan, data driven health care is going to steamroll you, no matter how much you post, but you know that already, don't you?
 

flexy

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Amazing how concerned the right wing blogosphere are about Hillary Clinton's health-when we have NO information at all about Trump's health, taxes, income (connections with Russian oligarchs)(, etc, despite his original promises.

Oh, hehehe!

Don't we have this *extremely convincing*, spelling mistake-riddled "health certificate" with a fake website that proves to us all that Trump is in "astonishingly excellent" health and that he would be "the healthiest individual ever being elected president"?

I am still puzzled this doesn't have the media attention it actually deserves. It's a fucking medical certificate, a 12 year old could have forged better.

-- Aside from the noteworthy fact there is clear evidence that it was forged (unless it was really written by a total retard Doctor) - what does this tell us when the potential POTUS cannot (or doesn't want to) produce something WHICH SHOULD BE SIMPLE AS PIE, to produce a medical certificate?
 
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flexy

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Amazing how concerned the right wing blogosphere are about Hillary Clinton's health-when we have NO information at all about Trump's health, taxes, income (connections with Russian oligarchs)(, etc, despite his original promises.

When I see how some Trumptards cite her "funny faces" that she made on video as "seizures"...is there are any doubt that those people are not rational?
 

Capt Caveman

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LOL, what a bunch of thin skinned fools. How the hell do you knot heads think doctors learn?

First off, there's NOTHING indicating she shouldn't be fit to be POTUS, second, her physician seems to be an idiot.

As you know nothing of Clinton's medical history to make better decisions than her doctors is hilarious. And any real medical professional wouldn't even guess nor make a medical evaluation without this history.

Oh, posting and believing Dr. Drew?
 

UglyCasanova

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Didn't read the thread but imo someone's medical records just like their tax returns are their own damned business. I don't think a candidate should be obligated to disclose either.
 

Bitek

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Well, the takeaway from all this is that Meghan is resistant to change, and fortunately, not a decision maker in the health care process, just another loud mouthed, opinionated keyboard warrior.

Keep shouting Meghan, data driven health care is going to steamroll you, no matter how much you post, but you know that already, don't you?

Who are you?
 

lopri

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Clinton's coughing has to be caused by amount of speeches she gives. When she is rested she tends to speak without coughs.

Having said that, I am not against the idea that presidential candidates be examined by doctors for overall fitness to carry out the duty of the office for the next 4 years. The more I think about it the more necessary it seems.
 
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Strk

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Well, the takeaway from all this is that Meghan is resistant to change, and fortunately, not a decision maker in the health care process, just another loud mouthed, opinionated keyboard warrior.

Keep shouting Meghan, data driven health care is going to steamroll you, no matter how much you post, but you know that already, don't you?

Except it is true though. There are instances where switching to the latest meds could benefit, but it isn't always the case. Even the argument about coumadin (is she still on it or was she just on it when she had the DVTs?) is kind of weak out of Dr. Drew. It doesn't even work on the same thing as Plavix and the other newer meds. His argument that coumadin is old and hardly used is BS. It depends on the hospital. A lot of them use it for..... wait for it...... DVT prophylaxis.
 

Jaskalas

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Having said that, I am not against the idea that presidential candidates be examined by doctors for overall fitness to carry out the duty of the office for the next 4 years. The more I think about it the more necessary it seems.

Only because they're pushing 70s and should be retired, not leading a country / world.

Hate it or love it, we are surely going to miss Obama's swagger these next 4, 8 years.
 
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Only because they're pushing 70s and should be retired, not leading a country / world.

Hate it or love it, we are surely going to miss Obama's swagger these next 4, 8 years.

I cannot stand dubya or his policies, but the man kept in shape, he's aging like a mofo now tho. Neither one of these candidates will be riding their bikes off trail or playing 1 on 1 basketball. I do think we should investigate the health of any potential candidate. We're betting on them as a nation for 4 years, whether you vote for them or not. Their health is paramount, both physical and mental.
 

thraashman

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Fact Checking Dr. Drew on Hillary Clinton’s ‘Medical Records
My favorite part
During a radio interview yesterday, Dr. Drew Pinsky made some strong accusations about Hillary Clinton’s health care, referring to her medical treatment as “bizarre,” “very unconventional,” and “old-fashioned.” Astonishingly, the “records” Dr. Pinsky chose to comment on have been making the rounds for months and have been proved to be fake.[/url]
 

TheGardener

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Despite your pompous cheerleading, anyone taking Coumadin has very serious health concerns. They've had a stroke, a heart valve replacement or maybe received a pacemaker, among some of the more serious reasons. It's not to say that someone like Clinton, could not perform the duties of the office for health reasons. But this medication is taken to prevent blood clots due to a predisposition. Coumadin also has to be continuously and regularly monitored for its toxicity or effectiveness. Like many medications, it can have serious side effects. I know of one person, who is a decade older than Clinton, and she is on Coumadin. What she is running into is a side effect of falling asleep, even while standing. She's recently had several falls. But as I said, it doesn't necessarily prevent Clinton from working.
 

Meghan54

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Despite your pompous cheerleading, anyone taking Coumadin has very serious health concerns. They've had a stroke, a heart valve replacement or maybe received a pacemaker, among some of the more serious reasons. It's not to say that someone like Clinton, could not perform the duties of the office for health reasons. But this medication is taken to prevent blood clots due to a predisposition. Coumadin also has to be continuously and regularly monitored for its toxicity or effectiveness. Like many medications, it can have serious side effects. I know of one person, who is a decade older than Clinton, and she is on Coumadin. What she is running into is a side effect of falling asleep, even while standing. She's recently had several falls. But as I said, it doesn't necessarily prevent Clinton from working.

Damn, that's some nicely crafted concern trolling.
 

thraashman

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Despite your pompous cheerleading, anyone taking Coumadin has very serious health concerns. They've had a stroke, a heart valve replacement or maybe received a pacemaker, among some of the more serious reasons. It's not to say that someone like Clinton, could not perform the duties of the office for health reasons. But this medication is taken to prevent blood clots due to a predisposition. Coumadin also has to be continuously and regularly monitored for its toxicity or effectiveness. Like many medications, it can have serious side effects. I know of one person, who is a decade older than Clinton, and she is on Coumadin. What she is running into is a side effect of falling asleep, even while standing. She's recently had several falls. But as I said, it doesn't necessarily prevent Clinton from working.

From the article I posted just above your post.
According to a 2013 New York Times article, Geoffrey T. Manley, MD, the vice chairman of neurological surgery at the University of California, San Francisco, stated that given Clinton’s history of having a blood clot in her leg back in 1998, this suggests she may have a tendency to form clots and may need blood-thinners long-term or even for the rest of her life.
 
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