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Vic

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She definitely has some issues going on that go far beyond "pollen" or some other BS. The recent videos of her freezing seeming disoriented etc make it seem like she has something like parkinsons or a series of mini-strokes or something like that.

Regardless, her health issues just distract from all the real reasons she's a horrible candidate, the lies, the incompetence, the corruption etc.

Yeah, cause the other guy is just a shining beacon of competence, morality, and ethics, right?
 

agent00f

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She definitely has some issues going on that go far beyond "pollen" or some other BS. The recent videos of her freezing seeming disoriented etc make it seem like she has something like parkinsons or a series of mini-strokes or something like that.

Let's think through this statement, too. If she has parkinson and strokes yet still makes Trump look like some dunce with a gradeschool vocabulary, what the hell does that say about the standing of the two parties?
 

Roflmouth

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Let's think through this statement, too. If she has parkinson and strokes yet still makes Trump look like some dunce with a gradeschool vocabulary, what the hell does that say about the standing of the two parties?

That she's that pathetic of a candidate since she isn't beating him by twenty points. How embarrassing for you.
 

Vic

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That she's that pathetic of a candidate since she isn't beating him by twenty points. How embarrassing for you.
It doesn't matter if she wins by 20 points or 1 vote, the outcome is still the same.
 

agent00f

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That she's that pathetic of a candidate since she isn't beating him by twenty points. How embarrassing for you.

It really says something about your peers who'll evidently vote for anything as long as it's their team. I'm pretty sure you & friends'll vote for a pedophile nazi as long it's R even if the democrats ran Jesus.
 

PokerGuy

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Video where she freezes? Is that the one where someone was rushing the stage and SS surrounded her? I know I saw some right wing sites showing that video claiming she just froze that didn't mention anything about the circumstances.

Yes, that was one of several similar ones I've seen recently. I don't know the particular circumstances, but it sure as heck seems like she's having anxiety issues, parkinsons, mini-strokes or some other problems. I don't think her health should automatically disqualify her as a candidate anyway, it just puts a little more emphasis on the VP who might have a higher chance of becoming the president during the term.
 

PokerGuy

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Yeah, cause the other guy is just a shining beacon of competence, morality, and ethics, right?

Your candidate is horrible / corrupt / crooked etc, and your best response is "but uh, the other guy is bad too!". That's pretty pathetic.
 

fskimospy

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Your candidate is horrible / corrupt / crooked etc, and your best response is "but uh, the other guy is bad too!". That's pretty pathetic.

She's not really any of those things, but that's beside the point. What he was insinuating is that even if you believe the accusations against Clinton, Trump is not 'bad too' but is far, far worse. There has never been a more corrupt individual that has been a major party nominee, in all of US history which is of course ironic considering Republicans think Clinton is corrupt.

That's not hyperbole either. Trump is easily the most corrupt individual by a country mile. Yes I realize that includes Nixon.
 

PokerGuy

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She's not really any of those things, but that's beside the point. What he was insinuating is that even if you believe the accusations against Clinton, Trump is not 'bad too' but is far, far worse. There has never been a more corrupt individual that has been a major party nominee, in all of US history which is of course ironic considering Republicans think Clinton is corrupt.

That's not hyperbole either. Trump is easily the most corrupt individual by a country mile. Yes I realize that includes Nixon.

lol, predictably spoken like a true hildabeast supporter. Trump might in fact be corrupt and crooked, but he can't hold a candle to hildebeast in that department. Not even close. She's the only nominee that would have been in jail if not for political clout and connections.
 

fskimospy

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lol, predictably spoken like a true hildabeast supporter. Trump might in fact be corrupt and crooked, but he can't hold a candle to hildebeast in that department. Not even close. She's the only nominee that would have been in jail if not for political clout and connections.

Of course he can. He has repeatedly and publicly bragged about bribing public officials. If you think Clinton is more corrupt than someone like that then show me specifics. Not insinuation, not right wing rumors, facts.
 
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Yes, that was one of several similar ones I've seen recently. I don't know the particular circumstances, but it sure as heck seems like she's having anxiety issues, parkinsons, mini-strokes or some other problems. I don't think her health should automatically disqualify her as a candidate anyway, it just puts a little more emphasis on the VP who might have a higher chance of becoming the president during the term.

Please link to these videos. You say there are several so it should not be difficult. I've only seen the one that the right wing sites have been using to push this narrative and it was when someone rushed the stage. She stopped talking and watched what was happening while the SS rushed the stage. If you have any other videos of what you're speaking I'd love to see them. Otherwise it's just more FUD.
 
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PokerGuy

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Of course he can. He has repeatedly and publicly bragged about bribing public officials. If you think Clinton is more corrupt than someone like that then show me specifics. Not insinuation, not right wing rumors, facts.

Again, funny stuff that you want to see facts when you are making accusations without facts yourself. If you have actual facts of illegal activity on his part, I'm sure there would be a legion of people (both R and D) that would love to torpedo Trump, and he doesn't have the political connections to shield him from any consequences......
 

fskimospy

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Again, funny stuff that you want to see facts when you are making accusations without facts yourself. If you have actual facts of illegal activity on his part, I'm sure there would be a legion of people (both R and D) that would love to torpedo Trump, and he doesn't have the political connections to shield him from any consequences......

Without facts? Are you joking? He has literally stated as much.

In his own words:

As a businessman and a very substantial donor to very important people, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do. As a businessman, I need that.

By all means try and twist yourself into knots so that's not a statement of bribery.
 

PokerGuy

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Without facts? Are you joking? He has literally stated as much.

In his own words:



By all means try and twist yourself into knots so that's not a statement of bribery.

So basically he said you can influence politicians by donating to them, and that he's done so. Oh, and here's another shocker for you, water is wet too! Really! There is nothing illegal about donating money to some foundation or group in the hope (wink wink!) that some politician might have a more favorable view of something you care about. On the other hand, a politician accepting money and in return taking certain actions IS illegal.

So as expected, you have no proof of anything illegal or even inappropriate having been done.
 
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So basically he said you can influence politicians by donating to them, and that he's done so. Oh, and here's another shocker for you, water is wet too! Really! There is nothing illegal about donating money to some foundation or group in the hope (wink wink!) that some politician might have a more favorable view of something you care about. On the other hand, a politician accepting money and in return taking certain actions IS illegal.

So as expected, you have no proof of anything illegal or even inappropriate having been done.


Well. There is something illegal about setting up 18 shell corporations to donate 18X more than allowed. Or donating from a charitable organization to a campaign. There is actually a long list of the illegal contributions Trump has made over the years and the hundreds of thousands in fines he has paid for doing so. So Trump is the only one of the two who has been found to have broken the law. Clinton is guilty because you believe she is.
 

fskimospy

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So basically he said you can influence politicians by donating to them, and that he's done so. Oh, and here's another shocker for you, water is wet too! Really! There is nothing illegal about donating money to some foundation or group in the hope (wink wink!) that some politician might have a more favorable view of something you care about. On the other hand, a politician accepting money and in return taking certain actions IS illegal.

So as expected, you have no proof of anything illegal or even inappropriate having been done.

So in other words someone openly stating 'I give people money so they will do what I want them to' doesn't meet your standard for bribery.

Wow.
 

PokerGuy

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I do like the way you upload images to imgur to anonymize the source.

A) does the source really matter? B) does her wearing a hearing aid matter? I don't see a problem with her (or anyone else) wearing a hearing aid.
 

fskimospy

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Well. There is something illegal about setting up 18 shell corporations to donate 18X more than allowed. Or donating from a charitable organization to a campaign. There is actually a long list of the illegal contributions Trump has made over the years and the hundreds of thousands in fines he has paid for doing so. So Trump is the only one of the two who has has been found to have broken the law. Clinton is guilty because you believe she is.

While it might look bad that Trump gave $25,000 to an attorney general while that office was considering suing him for fraud, a donor to the Clinton Foundation asked Clinton for a favor that she didn't grant.

Who are we to say which one is more corrupt? They are clearly the same.
 

Jhhnn

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A) does the source really matter? B) does her wearing a hearing aid matter? I don't see a problem with her (or anyone else) wearing a hearing aid.

I don't have a problem with hearing aids, either. OTOH, I do notice image sources as they're often indicative of a particular poster's intent & headset. Ones that are deliberately anonymized set a little bell tinkling in my head.

Why would anybody do that?
 

PokerGuy

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So in other words someone openly stating 'I give people money so they will do what I want them to' doesn't meet your standard for bribery.

Wow.

Hellloooooo... welcome to the real world. That is precisely how politics and lobbying works. The only distinction between legal and illegal is whether there is a specific quid pro quo. If I donate a boatload of money to some politician's campaign, odds are if there's an issue I feel strongly about, the politician is at least going to consider my perspective. If, however, I say "here's some money for you in return for doing xyz for me", then it's illegal bribery. Our system is perched on that facade of legitimacy. So again, your claim of wrongdoing is baseless.
 
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