Bought a used car

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hotsoda

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Back in December, I posted about a no-fault accident I had with my old Honda Civic. I searched around for the best deals, and eventually decided on purchasing a used 2008 Hyundai Elantra, with ~17000 miles. We paid ~$12,000, and it had a few known issues:
  • The driver-side mirror was cracked
  • The driver-side headlight had a chip in it
  • The windshield had a small crack on the opposite side of the car (still legal to drive - fine to this day)

However, the dealer promised to fix the mirror (which had to be done to allow the car to pass inspection anyway). Edit: The dealer did say we were basically purchasing "a new car," and didn't point out any other problems.

About a month later, I noticed that the fender liner (plastic sheet that goes over the tire) for the driver-side was broken. We purchased the part and installed it ourselves, but it only led to more discoveries. The "lip" on the bumper that held the fender liner was completely broken off, preventing it from being installed properly. Still, I shrugged it off and continued to drive it.

About a week ago, I discovered that the bumper on the same side was starting to separate from the rest of the car. We called the dealer, and the guy who sold the car to us agreed to fix the problem, thinking that a simple screw had to be put in to keep the bumper from falling off.

So I meet the guy today, he sends me to a body shop, and they tell me they I need a new bumper. Prices ranged from $519 (the shop I was initially sent to), including parts and labor, to $733, NOT including the fog light or the headlight. Needless to say, the dealer went back on his word and refused to cover the expense.

I went to talk to a friend of my mother's that does body work, and he said we simply overpaid for the car, pointing out dents that went previously unnoticed on the hood and side of the vehicle, and said that the car already had work done on the bumper and the door, but they essentially half-assed it. He told us that the bumper, headlight, and foglight needed to be replaced (there were cracks throughout the body, and when he took off a part of the bumper to show us, the fog light actually fell out because it wasn't held on), and due to the extent of the damage, the dealer must have known about the issues and simply tucked everything in to make the issues difficult to notice in the lot.

The dealer is only willing to "find a screw to bolt the bumper to the car," but our friend explained that we should go back and make them handle all of the expenses, adding that he was amazed they "would even sell a car like that." His best advice was to stop driving the car entirely, and either talk to the dealer again or get the car appraised for a trade in, because Elantras are hard to sell and have low resell values.

Now, the NY State lemon law doesn't cover my vehicle (and doesn't seem to cover body issues), but I know that dealers are required to provide all known accident (and presumably damage) information when a customer purchases a used vehicle, but if we were to take him to a small claims court or tried to return the car, we would have to prove the the dealer had knowledge of the problems (though nothing about the bumper was said when we purchased the car).

I plan on filing with the BBB, but I it will probably be of no assistance. Anyone have any recommendations?

Edit: Forgot to attach pictures.
http://picasaweb.google.com/co...lantra?feat=directlink
They only show off what I saw when I first discovered the problem. That is what the car looks like on the outside.


Cliffs:
Bought used Elantra
Found body damage after the fact.
Stuck footing the bill
 

hotsoda

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We did, and no accidents were reported. I can't remember the details exactly, but I believe the car was purchased from another dealer.
 

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Honestly, not entirely sure this would be covered by a lemon law. You bought a used car as-is, and it has some cosmetic damage. It's still mechanically sound and runs, and will do so for 20 years with a sagging bumper.

I'd chalk this one up for buying used cheap cars and the reality that used shit is often damaged.
 

hotsoda

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Originally posted by: Saga
Honestly, not entirely sure this would be covered by a lemon law. You bought a used car as-is, and it has some cosmetic damage. It's still mechanically sound and runs, and will do so for 20 years with a sagging bumper.

I'd chalk this one up for buying used cheap cars and the reality that used shit is often damaged.
Like I said, I understand that it isn't covered under lemon law (the law only covers vehicles over 18,000 miles anyway - we bought the car because it still had it's factory warranty on it). However, I have a hard time believing that the dealer didn't know about the problem and the expense involved.
 

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I suppose I'd need pictures to understand. Most dealers probably don't measure to ensure all body panels are in their OEM positions..
 

hotsoda

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I've uploaded the pictures to my original post. I can upload anything else tomorrow if I have time.
 

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You bought the car. I feel for you, but you should have had it inspected by an outside source before purchasing. They most likely would have noticed the issues and have alerted you to them. The dealer you got it from may not have been aware of the problems when they purchased it off of the previous lot. I guess you learned a lesson. BUYER BEWARE.

Oh and leave the BBB out of it.
 
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in CA there is the Bureau of Automotive repair (BAR) and State Car Dealers Association or whatever.. they handle stuff like this.

Your state should have something like this.. for consumer protection. Seems to me the dealer knew about it and didnt do anything. Its hard to believe a dealer wouldnt check out the car top / bottom before putting it on the lot.
 

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Originally posted by: angry hampster
Those chips could have been caused by rocks on the highway. It's your fault for not inspecting the car thoroughly. Get over it.
I thought the chip on the headlight could have been caused by rocks / pebbles on the highway, which is why I thought nothing of it.

I read advice to follow when buying a new car, and I knew what I was supposed to look for, but I guess I didn't realize how minute some signs can be. We did have the car inspected mechanically, but we didn't know anyone personally that could help us out, and at the time, I wasn't aware that I could contract a third party to inspect the car for body damage. But yes, I do admit I was at fault for not getting it checked out and paying 100% attention when the car was in the lot.

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
dealer has to report only fixes that exceed $5,000.

If that's true, I wasn't aware of that. It's nice to know.

Originally posted by: The Stigenator
in CA there is the Bureau of Automotive repair (BAR) and State Car Dealers Association or whatever.. they handle stuff like this.

Your state should have something like this.. for consumer protection. Seems to me the dealer knew about it and didnt do anything. Its hard to believe a dealer wouldnt check out the car top / bottom before putting it on the lot.

I haven't heard of anything like this in NY, but I'll do some research. The main reason why I'm peeved is because they most likely knew about the damage (Would I want to buy a car from someone who didn't? What does that say about the dealer, especially when our friend spotted it immediately?) but neglected to tell us. He also implied that nothing else was wrong with the car ("It's basically a new car," "we only buy quality stuff," "if you have any problems, take it in and I'll take care of you.")

I find it interesting that most of the posters here seem to be of the opinion that the dealer isn't to blame here in some way. Yes, it's just body damage, and yes, I admit that I should have been wiser with my purchasing decision, but something doesn't quite add up. Heck, if I were to bring the car in for an appraisal, they'll probably notice the defects too, even if they're hard for average Joes to point out.
 

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Originally posted by: hotsoda


I find it interesting that most of the posters here seem to be of the opinion that the dealer isn't to blame here in some way. Yes, it's just body damage, and yes, I admit that I should have been wiser with my purchasing decision, but something doesn't quite add up. Heck, if I were to bring the car in for an appraisal, they'll probably notice the defects too, even if they're hard for average Joes to point out.


Perhaps these chips and scrapes wouldn't matter so much if you hadn't gotten ripped off in the first place.
 
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