So were did EK go??????
Bailed out after it was proved he was lying agaign? Typical. He stated that as a fact, and said people died. And once again, he provided no proof, and no rebuttal to the facts we presented.
A that intelligence has since contributed to deaths of people.
I hope the runty, pencil-neck douchebag spends the next 30 years ass raped by psychopaths. He and his American-hating kindred spirit douchebag, Snowden, can take turns as comfort women in the federal penitentiary system. Whistle-blowers?? Nope, not hardly. But they'll be blowin' a lot of something else!!
So I gather you are OK with the NSA getting all your private info without your consent and some random nobody can browse through it at their leisure. That is unrelated to this case but you brought up Snowdon as well which is IMO not even remotely the same type of information leak.
Then a couple of months later, the government quietly had to admit they had no evidence that anyone was killed. Oops....guess you missed that huh? Oh right, it was something you didn't want to accept, so you probably just ignored it.
I do not have access to foreign intelligence info any more.So were did EK go??????
Some have work to do
Bailed out after it was proved he was lying again? Typical. He stated that as a fact, and said people died. And once again, he provided no proof, and no rebuttal to the facts we presented.
The prosecution has portrayed Manning as a traitor and last week called on witnesses who described the effect of the disclosures, though much of their testimony was behind closed doors as it touched on classified details.
Rear Admiral Kevin Donegan, who was head of operations for US Central Command at the time of the leaks, said troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were ordered to warn people and villages exposed in the files that they were at risk.
Troops told the sources identified in the published documents that they were "potentially in jeopardy and some of them in danger of retaliation from the enemy," the Navy admiral said.
Conveniently overlooked is that fact that how much intelligence is being shared with the US that is no longer being done.
And could some of that intelligence have prevented causalities.
One can not prove a negative.
All that is known is that shared intelligence used to be able to be worked together to defeat plans of the opponents.
I do not have access to foreign intelligence info any more.
What a military officer testified is what he knew of at the time and as it resulted in known non-classified information from the US side.
What has happened since then; stuff that may have been classified; info that may not have been revealed to them and info from allies was not made available and/or able to be discussed.
There was a saying a few years ago: Loose lips sink ships.
Might be difficult to prove that a bomber or U-Boat was able to get into position based on gossip; but potential was there. Cables to Axis intelligence did not include the source of gossip; just the fact that the info was determined to be of such quality level. And that was for the same reason - to protect the source
Less intelligence leads to longer lead times/poorer planning.
We have no way of knowing what others are doing if they no longer tell us and the results of such.
that intelligence has since contributed to deaths of people.
Bradley Manning Sentenced to 35 Years for Leaking Secrets
Sounds about right, though I hope he serves 20 - 25 actual years.Must serve 1/3rd of the sentence before he's eligible for parole.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bradley-manning-sentenced-35-years-leaking-secrets/story?id=20021288
Manning deserves what he gets. He ain't no hero, he's a selfish ass who betrayed his country's trust.
Sounds like Manning was trying pull a "Section 8"...
So, the picture is finally starting to come together...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.a..._to_work/20130813_298_0_FORTME404649?subj=298
Manning is unhappy being stuck in the desert with all a bunch of, his words, ignorant rednecks, doing grunt-level intel work. He tries to get sent home by acting like an asshole, being late for work, and pretending to have "issues".
He even sends is boss a picture, "Bufallo Bill"-style. His supervisor, SFC Adkins said that in April 2010, Manning emailed him a picture of himself in a blonde wig and lipstick attached to a letter titled, My problem. (I Googled and no dice on a pic. Dammit! I want to know what shade he prefers.):sneaky:
How could that not work!?!
But it doesn't, so, blammo, he decides to give a big, old red lipstick kiss-off to uncle sam by leaking the biggest trove of classified documents in US history!!
You go, girl! er boy! or whatever. not being anti-GLBT, cause i don't believe he ever had any "confusion", just using it to scam the Army! (i ain't the only one, 'cause you ever notice the crickets from that segment?).
It will be interesting to see whether the judge buys all this nonsense about his "mental fragility" in passing sentance.
For all you out there that thought he was doing the world a "favor", out of the goodness of his sweet little heart, trying to make the horror out there go away, you're all suckers. :whiste:
He didn't do it to be the hero of the moral high ground, nor because he was confused about his hangy-downy parts and neither because Julian brain-washed him. He did it for revenge.
Sounds about right, though I hope he serves 20 - 25 actual years.
Manning should had boarded the plane to Russia.
Many people "on top" (and in the government) are bigger sinners than this loser.
1/3 of 35 years = almost 12 years ...
Let him do 12 years ... (which is quite a period in itself) ... and let him da f*ck out.
Manning deserves what he gets. He ain't no hero, he's a selfish ass who betrayed his country's trust.
Manning deserves what he gets. He ain't no hero, he's a selfish ass who betrayed his country's trust.
Speaking of betraying our country's trust, how about the dishonorable treatment of him while in custody?
Also some of this so called bad treatment was due to decisions Manning made rather than being forced upon him by military personnel.Manning is expected to serve his sentence at Fort Leavenworth, where he has been in pretrial confinement since April 2011. Prior to that Manning was held in pre-trial confinement at Marine Corp Base Quantico Brig for nine months. U.N. special rapporteur on torture Juan Ernesto Mendez called his treatment at the Quantico Brig “cruel, inhuman and degrading.” Manning was forced to strip and remain on a suicide risk regime against the recommendations of Brig mental health professionals. Lind ruled that a portion of his time at Quantico was unlawful, but granted Manning only 112 days of credit on his sentence for it. Manning sentence's of 35 years will also be reduced by 1,293 days for time already served.
Col. Denise Lind, the military judge, spent nearly two hours Tuesday reading into the record. The ruling strikes a defiant tone at the international and media outrage against Manning's treatment in the now-shuttered Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va.
In her lengthy factual findings, Lind exonerated the three-star general accused of inappropriately influencing his staff, and she deferred almost entirely to the government's interpretation of the disputed events.
She found that Manning never endured solitary confinement, that he was never forced to stand naked at morning call, and that guards never harassed him in response to public protest.
During Manning's nine-month detention, such issues have sparked rallies and protests by prominent national and international figures.
A month after Manning's lawyer spoke to the press about his client's treatment, former State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley told a roomful of reporters that the treatment of Manning was "ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid." He was subsequently forced to resign.
Likewise, in a report for the United Nations, special rappoteur on torture Juan Mendez slammed Manning's "cruel, degrading and inhuman" treatment.
Mendez said he might have used stronger words if Quantico had not denied him access for an unmonitored visit.
Then-Rep. Dennis Kucinich complained that he was kept out of the prison, too.
But Lind said Tuesday that "this was appropriate."
"Neither Mr. Mendez nor Congressman Kucinich were on the accused's visitation list," she said.
Quantico staff acted with Manning's safety in mind to prevent him from committing suicide, the colonel ruled, conceding that they occasionally broke regulations out of "overcaution."
In each of these instances, she granted 1-to-1 sentencing credit or a fraction of that amount.
Seven of those days stem from the time Manning spent on suicide risk, after his psychologist determined that it was unnecessary.
Though Lind found that these decisions violated the secretary of the Navy's rules, she appeared to shift some blame to Capt. William Hocter, the brig psychologist who treated Manning.
Brig staff mistrusted Hocter and blamed him for the suicide of another detainee, Lind noted.
Quantico subsequently cleared Hocter - and the rest of the brig staff - of wrongdoing after an investigation of the suicide, but this is not mentioned in Lind's ruling.
Lind also granted credit for 75 days that Manning spent on prevention of injury watch, also against psychologist recommendations.
Another 20 days credit stemmed from the brig's ordered removal of Manning's underwear after he made a sarcastic remark about being able to kill himself with the elastic.
"This decision is a very close call," she said.
A final 10 days will credit the time that Manning had 20 minutes of recreation time, rather than the standard hour.