Bradley Manning verdict

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Londo_Jowo

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Sorry, Manning was punished in accordance with the UCMJ, sexual assault is not part of that punishment

The penalty for sexual assault is quite steep in the military so I don't think anyone will risk such. If they do, the said person should and will be dealt with accordingly.
 

Bulk Beef

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Leavenworth is not a civilian prison, so the prisoners don't run it. No surprise buttsechs for Bradley.
 

Svnla

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He will be in prison for at least 7 years before possibility of parole.
 

Phokus

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Former chief prosecutor of GITMO says he'll get 8-9 years, be out by around 34 years old, he still has a long life ahead of him, thank god:

https://twitter.com/ColMorrisDavis/status/370223513400913920

I personally don't see anything wrong with what Manning did. The US government has lost all credibility in being allowed to keep secrets. The bad secrets FAR outweighs the good and you can't have a functioning democracy with all this subterfuge.
 

iGas

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Is it truly freedom that America stand for?

Rich liars make money from the death of ten of thousands perhaps millions of people are praised as POTUS and hero, while average citizens that uncover the truth are charge as traitors and jailed.
 

EagleKeeper

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Former chief prosecutor of GITMO says he'll get 8-9 years, be out by around 34 years old, he still has a long life ahead of him, thank god:

https://twitter.com/ColMorrisDavis/status/370223513400913920

I personally don't see anything wrong with what Manning did. The US government has lost all credibility in being allowed to keep secrets. The bad secrets FAR outweighs the good and you can't have a functioning democracy with all this subterfuge.

I expect that in 8-9 years parole requests will be made and turned down. A sentence being cut by over half is not going to taste well to a MILITARY board of review.

Those that will be doing tbe review will be those that were on the front lines now.
 

rudder

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Is it truly freedom that America stand for?

Rich liars make money from the death of ten of thousands perhaps millions of people are praised as POTUS and hero, while average citizens that uncover the truth are charge as traitors and jailed.

I am all for supporting government whistle blowers. However I do not consider arbitrarily grabbing and dumping hundreds of thousands of files on a foreign server to be whistle blowing.

The little turd deserves a minimum of 35 years of hard labor.
 

Zebo

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35 years in pounded in the ass prison seems harsh when I cant point to one point of actual harm he did. Seems more a crime of conscious than anything - exposing our lies.
 

Zebo

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I am all for supporting government whistle blowers. However I do not consider arbitrarily grabbing and dumping hundreds of thousands of files on a foreign server to be whistle blowing.

The little turd deserves a minimum of 35 years of hard labor.

Hundreds of thousands of what? Again point to an actual harm instead of wild numbers to sound damning.
 

OlafSicky

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No one will blow the whistle again. But Manning will be blowing multiple whistles for the next 35 years.

I wonder what Snowden will get once he is captured.
 

unokitty

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I wonder what Snowden will get once he is captured.


You might want to look at the decision from Daniel Ellsberg's (Pentagon Papers) Espionage trial.

Due to the gross governmental misconduct and illegal evidence gathering, and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson, Judge Byrne dismissed all charges against Ellsberg and Russo on May 11, 1973 after the government claimed it had lost records of wiretapping against Ellsberg. Byrne ruled: "The totality of the circumstances of this case which I have only briefly sketched offend a sense of justice. The bizarre events have incurably infected the prosecution of this case."[23]

As a result of the revelation of the Fielding break-in during the trial, John Ehrlichman, H R Haldeman, Richard Kleindienst and John Dean were forced out of office on April 30, and all would later be convicted of crimes related to the Watergate scandal. Egil Krogh later pleaded guilty to conspiracy, and White House counsel Charles Colson pleaded no contest for obstruction of justice in the burglary. "

If you're not familiar with the Pentagon Papers, here is what the New York Times had to say.
A 1996 article in The New York Times said that the Pentagon Papers "demonstrated, among other things, that the Lyndon Baines Johnson Administration had systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress, about a subject of transcendent national interest and significance"
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Nixon Solicitor General Erwin N. Griswold later called the Papers an example of "massive overclassification" with "no trace of a threat to the national security". The Papers' publication had little or no effect on the ongoing war because they dealt with documents written years before publication...

In Southeast Asia, blind trust in our political leaders produced a war that we lost. And a war where 50,000 plus American died.

History has demonstrated that that trust was misplaced. And that the politicians in the White House had systematically lied to Congress and to the American people.

And that documents were classified not to protect national security. But to keep concealed the politician's lies.

You are welcome to be unsympathetic to Manning and Snowden.

But history has shown that documents can be classified not to protect national security but to protect lying politicians. And that those lies can produce substantial American causalities.

In time, more information will become available. And as more information becomes available, peoples perspectives will evolve.

While I can't say how Snowden will be perceived in the future. I can say this. Danial Ellsberg is now considered a hero. Even if he did release 50,000 pages of classified documents.

Uno
 
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Phokus

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You might want to look at the decision from Daniel Ellsberg's (Pentagon Papers) Espionage trial.



Uno

Ellsberg later claimed that after his trial ended, Watergate prosecutor William H. Merrill informed him of an aborted plot by Liddy and the "plumbers" to have 12 Cuban-Americans who had previously worked for the CIA to "totally incapacitate" Ellsberg as he appeared at a public rally, though it is unclear whether that meant to assassinate Ellsberg or merely to hospitalize him.[27][28] In his autobiography, Liddy describes an "Ellsberg neutralization proposal" originating from Howard Hunt, which involved drugging Ellsberg with LSD, by dissolving it in his soup, at a fund-raising dinner in Washington in order to "have Ellsberg incoherent by the time he was to speak" and thus "make him appear a near burnt-out drug case" and "discredit him". The plot involved waiters from the Miami Cuban community. According to Liddy, when the plan was finally approved, "there was no longer enough lead time to get the Cuban waiters up from their Miami hotels and into place in the Washington Hotel where the dinner was to take place" and the plan was "put into abeyance pending another opportunity".[29]

What the flying fuck, how do these conservative shitheads get to be radio talk show host personalities.
 

EagleKeeper

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Hundreds of thousands of what? Again point to an actual harm instead of wild numbers to sound damning.

As long as you want to parrot Garfield

There are two issues here
The exposure of the prisons

The breaking of bonds of trust between governments and intelligence agencies.
The second is where the real danger comes in. Information is not shared as freely because sources may become compromised. Lack of information will lead to a flawed decision/operation and result in unneeded causalities.
 

cyclohexane

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I am all for supporting government whistle blowers. However I do not consider arbitrarily grabbing and dumping hundreds of thousands of files on a foreign server to be whistle blowing.

The little turd deserves a minimum of 35 years of hard labor.

Well, how else could he have blown the whistle then?
 

Londo_Jowo

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TechBoyJK

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I wonder if he will be allowed to get a sex change operation/therapy on the government's dime.

Hopefully not.

Guy's obviously messed up in the head. He needs counseling, not surgery.

We can't just let people go crazy and tell them it's ok.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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As long as you want to parrot Garfield

There are two issues here
The exposure of the prisons

The breaking of bonds of trust between governments and intelligence agencies.
The second is where the real danger comes in. Information is not shared as freely because sources may become compromised. Lack of information will lead to a flawed decision/operation and result in unneeded causalities.

Heyy, I 'm not the bigot who clearly lied, and refuses to admit it. BTW, you still accusing senior army officers of perjury ?

Once again, a personal attack (that isn't even true, but that never stopped you before) about something I never claimed of posted on...how is this not trolling?

I correctly pointed out, and quoted from the Mannings own trial, that the government admitted no one died, which is 100% different from your BS claim that people died. You refuse to come up with any facts to support your claim, and instead attack me. GG. Always thought mods were suppsed to set a good standard, even when not posting as mods....clearly this doesn't hold true in P&N.

So post real evidence that people died.

And post proof where I said that I think what he did was OK.

Otherwise you are admitting you are a lying troll.
 
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