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waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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I got one yesterday. downloaded it and installed it. after about 5 hour of playing i gotta say i am not impressed.
 

Toonces

Golden Member
Feb 5, 2000
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Just create a game as normal and dont open it to the public. The click "add AI" and set it up on easy mode or something.

Beware of "insane AI" I started a game where on my team we had 3 people and 1 insane AI vs 4 other people on the opposing side, without us helping it or anything the AI stomped over all 4 of the other players by itsself It was pretty funny :awe:

Try the 7 Insane AI FFA challenge yet? :awe:

Not too hard if you're Terran.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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I actually dont want to deal with the Beta nonsense. I can wait until it comes out for real.
Just saw an ad that the official release date is 27 July. Is that real? Have they been setting dates and pushing them back constantly or is this one firm?
 

JJChicken

Diamond Member
Apr 9, 2007
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I actually dont want to deal with the Beta nonsense. I can wait until it comes out for real.
Just saw an ad that the official release date is 27 July. Is that real? Have they been setting dates and pushing them back constantly or is this one firm?

It's been firm for quite a while. The game is shaping up well.
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
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I actually dont want to deal with the Beta nonsense. I can wait until it comes out for real.
Just saw an ad that the official release date is 27 July. Is that real? Have they been setting dates and pushing them back constantly or is this one firm?

They set the 27th months ago and it's never been moved.
Of course, given the state of the beta, it's going to have a large 0day patch, but then a lot is for balance, and hopefully most of the issues that are currently present in the beta won't be around when it releases.

Based on the beta though, it could be a little dodgy upon release.
 

Ika

Lifer
Mar 22, 2006
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yeah, I think they've got all the bug fixes just about done. The balance issue is another thing, and I dont think I like the fact that they're still switching around spells and stuff (i.e. Zerg balance changes on teh last patch) so close to the release date...
 

crisium

Platinum Member
Aug 19, 2001
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If balance is all you want then play online chess.

StarCraft Broodwar is about as balanced as Chess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

"Statistics compiled since 1851 support this view, showing that White consistently wins slightly more often than Black, usually scoring between 52 and 56 percent."

Non-mirror match-ups in Professional Broodwar, lifetime, are between 52-54%, irrc. During some seasons, due to play-style shifts and map balance, a particular match-up is usually no worse than 58%.

Hopefully Starcraft 2 can keep the tradition alive.
 

mav451

Senior member
Jan 31, 2006
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StarCraft Broodwar is about as balanced as Chess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

"Statistics compiled since 1851 support this view, showing that White consistently wins slightly more often than Black, usually scoring between 52 and 56 percent."

Non-mirror match-ups in Professional Broodwar, lifetime, are between 52-54%, irrc. During some seasons, due to play-style shifts and map balance, a particular match-up is usually no worse than 58%.

Hopefully Starcraft 2 can keep the tradition alive.

Agreed, but that took years of patching to get there. Milestone patches like 1.04 and 1.08 didn't happen until much after Vanilla, with 1.08 being years after the expansion as well. Even with koreans being actively involved so early for SC2, there will no doubt be more patching.

@Aflac - So yeah I actually welcome a release day patch (dunno if it'll happen, just basing on what I read from TL.net a few weeks ago).

Everyone wonders why nobody uses an Ultra. That issue wasn't addressed until the expansion - just so everyone realizes this. Balance issues are solved in years, not months. This is the first time I've been in beta, so naturally my perspective is much different than SC1 (where I was just another noob who bought it on release day).
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Agreed, but that took years of patching to get there. Milestone patches like 1.04 and 1.08 didn't happen until much after Vanilla, with 1.08 being years after the expansion as well. Even with koreans being actively involved so early for SC2, there will no doubt be more patching.

@Aflac - So yeah I actually welcome a release day patch (dunno if it'll happen, just basing on what I read from TL.net a few weeks ago).

Everyone wonders why nobody uses an Ultra. That issue wasn't addressed until the expansion - just so everyone realizes this. Balance issues are solved in years, not months. This is the first time I've been in beta, so naturally my perspective is much different than SC1 (where I was just another noob who bought it on release day).
TLO uses ultras. Then again, he's TLO. lol
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
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StarCraft Broodwar is about as balanced as Chess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

"Statistics compiled since 1851 support this view, showing that White consistently wins slightly more often than Black, usually scoring between 52 and 56 percent."

Non-mirror match-ups in Professional Broodwar, lifetime, are between 52-54%, irrc. During some seasons, due to play-style shifts and map balance, a particular match-up is usually no worse than 58%.

Hopefully Starcraft 2 can keep the tradition alive.

I totally agree.
Part of the "problem" is that balance can't really be static unless everything has been explored.
In SC that's taken a long time, and even when it's balanced as you say, maps can make a big difference.
Something like SC/SC2 has so many things which can alter balance that the best anyone can hope for is decent balance.
Even (for some reason) the unbalanced maps which get used in pro-tournies keep getting used, so they can be basically deliberately unbalanced. Often in the team league teams send out specific races to avoid playing a weak race (weak because the map favours other races).

SC is kind of balanced, but only when you play balanced maps, and that's what's most important. Keeping a game fresh requires fresh stuff to play, which (IMO) means fresh maps to develop new strategies on, and when the maps play a big part in balance, there's only so much Blizzard can do to make a balanced game as a whole.

Even now, in 2010, many years after Broodwar, there is some evolution of some matches, even mirror matchups. You can't balance forever when there are creative people doing creative things both with their play, and mappers doing creative things with maps. They best you can hope for is "balanced enough", which is what BW has pretty much achieved.
SC2 might be there, it might not, but Blizzard shouldn't and can't do everything, because it's also up to custom mappers to make the game fresh and up to the players to adapt and develop unit uses and playstyles.

I mean, if Blizz see something as "unbalanced" in beta testing, is it really unbalanced, or has it just not yet been countered yet? An early rush is unbalanced against someone fast expanding in SCBW, so it's a very delicate process.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Finally got a beta invite this past weekend =P I played part of one match, co-op against 2 CPU players. We got our asses handed to us... I've never been good at RTS games. Good to see that my poor laptop can still play this game on med-low settings if I ever want to play it down the road.
 

GhettoPeanut

Senior member
Feb 9, 2005
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Even now, in 2010, many years after Broodwar, there is some evolution of some matches, even mirror matchups. You can't balance forever when there are creative people doing creative things both with their play, and mappers doing creative things with maps. They best you can hope for is "balanced enough", which is what BW has pretty much achieved.
SC2 might be there, it might not, but Blizzard shouldn't and can't do everything, because it's also up to custom mappers to make the game fresh and up to the players to adapt and develop unit uses and playstyles.

Right on. anyway, how balanced can a BETA game be. if its close enough to make the game play exciting, then they've done their job. all the little differences will be worked out over the next few years. As you said. its so complex, it'll never ever be perfectly equal. just to much to take into account. if they can keep the balance offset <10&#37;, i'd say that's good enough for me, there are only so many pro players that can take advantage of something like that anyway. I love the game, suck to all hell at it, but i could care less if I loose every round, its just for fun anyway.
 

bullbert

Senior member
May 24, 2004
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Does anyone still have any key's that they aren't using? Need one key so I can do 3v3's with my friend!

I think you are too late. An announcement says the Beta is shutting down today. Which hour of the day, I did not find.

So back to SC1 for a week, before retail sales start...
 

jlarsson

Golden Member
Jul 31, 2001
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I think you are too late. An announcement says the Beta is shutting down today. Which hour of the day, I did not find.

And I received my beta invite yesterday. I was installing the latest update this morning when I finally opened up the beta forums and realized its ending today.
 

tydas

Golden Member
Mar 10, 2000
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Well, only got to play a couple of games and its exactly what its supposed to be...brings starcraft into the 21st century...I hadn't played SC1 in a while but the controls were all to familar, as was the teching and gameplay. I like the multiplayer interface and can't wait to try the campaign with hopefully lots of cut scenes...and best of all...its PC for now!!!finally an exclusive!
 
Jul 10, 2007
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does anyone like Warcraft 3 TFT better? I personally like the attention that heroes and their spells get.

SC2 is gonna be a great game, don't get me wrong. TFT has a different dynamic to it, and i am sort of missing it right now.

micro'ing is a lot more important in TFT.


also, do you finally agree it's absurd to compare BP to 9/11?
 

Maximilian

Lifer
Feb 8, 2004
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I havent pre ordered at all Gameplay cancelled it 2 years ago then my 2nd pre order with amazon was cancelled and then they jacked up the price. Feck it ill just go to a store and buy it
 

Bateluer

Lifer
Jun 23, 2001
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After playing the beta, I really wasn't impressed. Its like playing an RTS from 1999. Perhaps the SP will be better, and I expect some good cinematics, but I won't have any problem passing on this game.
 

simonizor

Golden Member
Feb 8, 2010
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After playing the beta, I really wasn't impressed. Its like playing an RTS from 1999. Perhaps the SP will be better, and I expect some good cinematics, but I won't have any problem passing on this game.

The beta was missing 90% of what makes a battle.net game fun, battle.net itself. The user chat rooms and clans made SC, D2, and WAR3 my favorite games of all time even though I don't play the RTS side of SC and WAR3 (I just play custom games).
 
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