Brain(hulk?) surgeon: There's no point wearing bicycle helmets

[Capt Caveman]

There is a difference between "learning" it and actually training for it. You can train your body to do it each and every single time. It is something worth practicing because it is far more likely to save your life than a silly styrofoam hat you may wear on a simple bike commute. Many experts have explained the dubious level of protection such helmets actually provide. If you are actively involving yourself in risky enough actions that would make it a very good idea to have a helmet on, then it is probably better to wear a full helm than a styrofoam hat.

:biggrin: Ride a bike down a bike lane and have someone dart in front of you or into the side of you from a parked car, practice that and let me know how many times you can properly fall.

 

[HumblePie]

I would say that in every thread that you spend time in, I still can't tell if you're a retard or a troll. And this one is no different. B/c you can't seriously believe what you're posting.

I've been road cycling, mtb/cyclo-cross racing, bike commuting, etc for way too long and have had my share of falls and have been hit by a couple of cars. In only a couple of times, did I have time to fall/land properly. And in some of those cases, my helmet has saved me from serious injury.

From friends and other cyclists, their stories are the similar, so I find it hilarious all of the garbage you are spewing here.

Then you suck? That is all I can say. I have had my share of falls and been in those same predicaments and have had more than ample time for my body to respond to land in the proper way. Just because you never trained for it doesn't mean others don't and can't accomplish what you suck at.

The chances of falling for an experienced rider in a normal bike commute is less like than have a tactical nuke land upon your head from an orbital strike. And I do mean an experienced rider that is taking zero risks. If you fall in that scenario then you lack proper ride planning and coordination. You might do well to even take a proper defensive driving course.

Even if you are less experienced, don't watch out of things that may cause you to fall while riding, don't safety check your equipment every time to make sure shit doesn't fall off while riding which may cause a crash, and so forth, then the likely hood of a styrofoam hat preventing severe brain injury from a mild fall during a regular bike commute is dubious at best. To think otherwise is to be a full brainwashed retard nor how the human body because both trained and untrained in a bike crash scenario that only results in the fall of the rider from a bike.

In higher risk scenarios, such as racing, stunts, mountain biking, and other such endeavors, a helmet WILL help prevent head injury. But again a styrofoam hat only helps disperse a certain amount of force and only in certain scenarios. A full helm would provide far greater protection in far more risky scenarios. To think otherwise is to even more retarded and you've demonstrated here.

Point is that styrofoam hats are mostly pointless for bike riders. Nor has there been any conclusive study or evidence showing otherwise in the decades they've been around. In fact, more studies show the additional harm they can cause than injury they may prevent. As I pointed out with the links in this thread. Unless you can come up with different studies that actually show various crash test scenarios such as how NTHSA does with car crashes, you are full of shit.

 

[HumblePie]

:biggrin: Ride a bike down a bike lane and have someone dart in front of you or into the side of you from a parked car, practice that and let me know how many times you can properly fall.

I have, and have each and every time. I even practiced FOR that. Want to know how? I am constantly scanning my surroundings making sure I know that if a car does something I can't control, what I would do as an out as a response. Why? Because the chances of surviving a motor vehicle accident as a bike rider are very slim. I make sure I prioritize the highest risks when biking so I can minimize the impact as greatly as possible.

As I said before. I spent YEARS falling for various scenarios. When I played a soccer keeper for 18 years I practicing falling and diving all day long. When I did BMX tracks as a kid I practiced falling as much as I practiced riding. When I was into repelling and mountain climbing in the boy scouts I learned how to take falls from greater heights and trained myself to do it. Not to mention the years of skateboarding I did. Even in practices when I was trying to minimize the potential injury did I go without injury. That's part of the learning process. I've broken more bones in my body than I bet you ever had. I probably broke more bones in my teen years than you ever will in your lifetime.

So you suck? got any more?

 

[highland145]

:biggrin: Ride a bike down a bike lane and have someone dart in front of you or into the side of you from a parked car, practice that and let me know how many times you can properly fall.

It's apparent that he's practiced it a lot....sans helmet.


I've made someone's sig....winning, that's me.:wub:

 

[HumblePie]

It's apparent that he's practiced it a lot....sans helmet.

Damn right I have. If you are going to do any activity with a risk that might result in your death that is greater than just sitting on your couch, it is worth it to learn what the risks are, and the best way to mitigate them. Then go a step further and practice scenarios that train your body to automatically respond.

Don't tell me you've never even done a fire drill in your life?

 

[highland145]

It's apparent that he's practiced it a lot....sans helmet.


I've made someone's sig....winning, that's me.:wub:

Damn right I have. If you are going to do any activity with a risk that might result in your death that is greater than just sitting on your couch, it is worth it to learn what the risks are, and the best way to mitigate them. Then go a step further and practice scenarios that train your body to automatically respond.

Don't tell me you've never even done a fire drill in your life?

Admission. Wrap this one up and call it done.:biggrin:

 

[HumblePie]

Admission. Wrap this one up and call it done.:biggrin:

Practicing how to fall and take a fall without a helmet in a controlled environment to train your body is a very useful ability to learn.

 

[FleshLight]

How do you tuck and roll while clipped into the bike?

 

[highland145]

How do you tuck and roll while clipped into the bike?

Practice, maybe?


Sans helmet.

 

[HumblePie]

How do you tuck and roll while clipped into the bike?

The same way the only difference is the bike is going to follow you. Try to take the impact on your shoulder area by rotating your body over as you fall. Aim your fall into an area that is going to cause the least potential damage. If there is grass nearby always aim for that. Always aim away from a curb.

Always while riding be thinking to yourself as you come to a new bit of landscape what your body is going to do in the potential you do start to fall. That way it comes as less of a surprise and you have more time to allow your body to react. Those that have stated they didn't have time is because they never anticipated a potential fall in the first place. When you don't anticipate, you end up too stunned and surprised by the fact a fall is occurring to react in time to prevent injury. That is the key.

Still clips are designed to release in a fall. The moment enough lateral pressure is applied, good clips should break away. If they don't you are using bad or malfunctioning equipment. Like ski and snowboarding equipment.

Speaking of skiing and snownboarding, if you are ever taught professionally, the first thing they teach you to do is how to fall and how to fall despite being "clipped" into your equipment. It's not fucking rocket science. For some reason people that ride bikes don't go through similar lessons.

 

[FleshLight]

The same way the only difference is the bike is going to follow you. Try to take the impact on your shoulder area by rotating your body over as you fall. Aim your fall into an area that is going to cause the least potential damage. If there is grass nearby always aim for that. Always aim away from a curb.

Always while riding be thinking to yourself as you come to a new bit of landscape what your body is going to do in the potential you do start to fall. That way it comes as less of a surprise and you have more time to allow your body to react. Those that have stated they didn't have time is because they never anticipated a potential fall in the first place. When you don't anticipate, you end up too stunned and surprised by the fact a fall is occurring to react in time to prevent injury. That is the key.

Still clips are designed to release in a fall. The moment enough lateral pressure is applied, good clips should break away. If they don't you are using bad or malfunctioning equipment.

So you are able to roll around on the ground with both legs clipped into a 4 ft long 20-30 lb bike?

 

[HumblePie]

So you are able to roll around on the ground with both legs clipped into a 4 ft long 20-30 lb bike?

If your clips didn't release then you have malfunctioning equipment. It's your fault for not checking the functionality of the equipment in the first place before riding that may lead to that problem.

Second, even if for some reason the clips do not release in a fall, you should still be able to guide your center of gravity to take the impact of the fall on something other than your head. If you can't do that, I don't know what else to tell you except to learn better coordination.

To answer your question, no you can't "roll" if you are still clipped to your equipment. But you can still avoid having your head impact a hard surface. It may be that you break a shoulder, arm, or clavicle, but those injuries are far less severe than impacting your head even if you have a helmet on.

 

[BassBomb]

I was once hit by car (my fault) while riding a bicycle. I hit the ground with my face and forehead. Forehead was taken by the helmet, if I didn't have the helmet I would have cracked open my skull

 

[HumblePie]

I was once hit by car (my fault) while riding a bicycle. I hit the ground with my face and forehead. Forehead was taken by the helmet, if I didn't have the helmet I would have cracked open my skull

Did your face crack open?

 

[BassBomb]

Did your face crack open?

Helmet cracked where it made contact, underneath that spot I had a bruise from the helmet hitting my face.

I had stitches on upper lip, and damage to my front two teeth

 

[Capt Caveman]

I have, and have each and every time. I even practiced FOR that. Want to know how? I am constantly scanning my surroundings making sure I know that if a car does something I can't control, what I would do as an out as a response. Why? Because the chances of surviving a motor vehicle accident as a bike rider are very slim. I make sure I prioritize the highest risks when biking so I can minimize the impact as greatly as possible.

As I said before. I spent YEARS falling for various scenarios. When I played a soccer keeper for 18 years I practicing falling and diving all day long. When I did BMX tracks as a kid I practiced falling as much as I practiced riding. When I was into repelling and mountain climbing in the boy scouts I learned how to take falls from greater heights and trained myself to do it. Not to mention the years of skateboarding I did. Even in practices when I was trying to minimize the potential injury did I go without injury. That's part of the learning process. I've broken more bones in my body than I bet you ever had. I probably broke more bones in my teen years than you ever will in your lifetime.

So you suck? got any more?

:biggrin: And not a single one of your examples mirrors the example I just gave you.

 

[Capt Caveman]

If your clips didn't release then you have malfunctioning equipment. It's your fault for not checking the functionality of the equipment in the first place before riding that may lead to that problem.

Second, even if for some reason the clips do not release in a fall, you should still be able to guide your center of gravity to take the impact of the fall on something other than your head. If you can't do that, I don't know what else to tell you except to learn better coordination.

To answer your question, no you can't "roll" if you are still clipped to your equipment. But you can still avoid having your head impact a hard surface. It may be that you break a shoulder, arm, or clavicle, but those injuries are far less severe than impacting your head even if you have a helmet on.

And not all clips are the same, you've obviously have never used Speedplay Frogs.

 

[HumblePie]

Helmet cracked where it made contact, underneath that spot I had a bruise from the helmet hitting my face.

I had stitches on upper lip, and damage to my front two teeth

Unless you are a freak, your forehead slopes away from your face. Your brow is also much thicker than most places on your face or skull as it is designed by nature to take heavier impacts. If the fall didn't split your face in face when you landed, it probably wouldn't have cracked your skull either.

 

[HumblePie]

:biggrin: And not a single one of your examples mirrors the example I just gave you.

Having a car dart in front of you to make a turn while you are in a bike lane and cause you to fall as swerve to miss or you hit the front of your bike into the car. Yep. Had that happen with an without a helmet. Came out injury free beyond slight road rash in both cases. Got more?

 

[highland145]

Having a car dart in front of you to make a turn while you are in a bike lane and cause you to fall as swerve to miss or you hit the front of your bike into the car. Yep. Had that happen with an without a helmet. Came out injury free beyond slight road rash in both cases. Got more?

Um, no you didn't.

 

[HumblePie]

And not all clips are the same, you've obviously have never used Speedplay Frogs.

Uhh, according the manufacturer they are designed to release on falls despite even being gunked up!

http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frog

If they aren't releasing properly you are clearly using malfunctioning equipment.

 

[HumblePie]

Um, no you didn't.

Umm, yes I did. Biking in SA or Houston are typically rated as a couple of the most dangerous places in the US to bike for a reason. Knowing this, I take precautions when I bike on the roadways.

 

[highland145]

When you cycle? That would be a never.:biggrin:

 

[HumblePie]

When you cycle? That would be a never.:biggrin:

I was cycling quite a bit in previous years. A lot less lately. I believe you can go back on these forums when I was talking about buying a road bike to commute to work everyday instead of driving as my car still gets shitty gas mileage. I was doing it to save money and the commute to work was about 10 miles. Did it most days for years. I've had my fair share of accidents that arrived from such commutes which included a few accidents involving cars cutting me off or swiping at me and driving off. My reactions every time prevented serious injury. Not once did I fall and hit my head on anything.

 

[FleshLight]

So its my understanding that some random dude is advocating for tens of thousands of cyclists to just "tuck and roll" rather than rely on their helmets unless they are doing "extreme" sports like riding downhill or above 10 mph?