Brawl at Walmart

[brycejones]

surprised by the absence of our Nubian friends in this video.

wth

 

[touchstone]

Brawlmart is such a disgusting place I will gladly pay the extra to shop at costco or Vons or Trader Joes. It always has this air of people hating their own existence and everything around them.

 

[norseamd]

Well the point is that basically Nubians are probably as about different to Bantu West Africans as they are to non-Africans.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Who the hell is training these cops that the best way to deal with a large group of angry people fighting is to drive their cruiser up 10ft from them and walk up and immediately get in people's faces and get physical?

Small town cops. Mostly ex-military, minimally trained, not real bright.

 

[umbrella39]

surprised by the absence of our Nubian friends in this video.

Not surprised by your stupid comment, however.

 

[michal1980]

Its also clear that the situation was far more calm before the officers came to 'separate' the people then right after.

Before that point it looks like there was some communication going on, and everyone was just standing around.

The officers instead of trying to get an idea of whats going on, go straight to using force, they were the spark that lit the kindling.

As if we needed more proof what an absolute moron you are.

As if we needed more proof that liberals are nothing but assholes that cannot do anything but attack people.

 

[JSt0rm]

As if we needed more proof that liberals are nothing but assholes that cannot do anything but attack people.

Yeah. Let me attack them with a sweeping statement to prove that I am not like them.

 

[MongGrel]

As if we needed more proof that liberals are nothing but assholes that cannot do anything but attack people.

Not even sure what your dumb as was saying right there to be honest.

I just saw your name and gibberish added to it, because I knew you were attacking someone for no reason.

Go figure.

I oughta to make a macro or something, michael1980 posts, will attack someone for attacking a thread and call them a liberal.

You ought to get a new game plan, or a brain.

 

[Humpy]

I wonder what would have happened if the cops arrive on the scene then simply sat in their car and looked on?
I would guess the crowd would have broken up slowly, with no violence at all.

It would really be the best course of (non)action. Even if the group did start fighting, so what? Keep containment, wait for them to tire out, or disperse, and arrest them. Instead, the police bring weapons, fail to control their weapons, shoot their own guy, kill people, and contribute further to Walmart's poor reputation. All completely unnecessary to accomplish whatever the goal was and wouldn't have happened if they just waited a bit.

Just like we expect firefighter's to conserve resources and simply contain, rather than all out attack, fires that have a foregone conclusion we should expect police to act with the same logic and integrity.

 

[norseamd]

logic and integrity.

Neither of which are well known to exist in LEO organizations.

 

[AHamick]

This wasn't a group of degenerates fighting amongst themselves. These were suspects in an attack on a Wal-Mart employee. It's their job to investigate an alleged crime and that involves interviewing suspects and witnesses, separately to prevent suspects from forming a false alibi.

These people verbally stated they would not comply with lawful orders and when officers attempted to separate them the family attacked (first)

It's also been reported the one cop did NOT shoot the other. The cop on the ground was being disarmed by the family members attacking him and during the struggle the gun went off striking him in the leg. That's when the other officer shot the attacker and allowed the officer on the ground to regain control of his firearm.

 

[MongGrel]

Watched this for a third time, and it's just so ridiculous it seems to be a wag the dog type of staged thing.

If that is real, those cops need new jobs.

 

[AHamick]

Watched this for a third time, and it's just so ridiculous it seems to be a wag the dog type of staged thing.

If that is real, those cops need new jobs.

Why? They attempted to investigate a crime, were physically attacked by multiple assailants, some of whom tried to kill or seriously injure the police, and they walked away alive.

The cops don't need New jobs, the family needs new brains

 

[RU482]

I think this is one of those cases where the cops could have shot everyone at the scene....everyone....and there would be no public outcry. possibly even some commendation, keys to the city, ect

 

[Ichinisan]

I think this is one of those cases where the cops could have shot everyone at the scene....everyone....and there would be no public outcry. possibly even some commendation, keys to the city, ect

This.

Those people had every reason to comply. There's no excuse for what they put those officers through and they deserve what happened to them.

 

[Humpy]

This wasn't a group of degenerates fighting amongst themselves. These were suspects in an attack on a Wal-Mart employee. It's their job to investigate an alleged crime and that involves interviewing suspects and witnesses, separately to prevent suspects from forming a false alibi.

These people verbally stated they would not comply with lawful orders and when officers attempted to separate them the family attacked (first)

It's also been reported the one cop did NOT shoot the other. The cop on the ground was being disarmed by the family members attacking him and during the struggle the gun went off striking him in the leg. That's when the other officer shot the attacker and allowed the officer on the ground to regain control of his firearm.

That all makes sense except for the idea that there was an urgent requirement for immediate action. Whatever assault that occurred on the employee was over. There was little that forming a "false alabi" could accomplish. Not complying with lawful orders doesn't directly lead to the need for forced compliance.

The results of the situation makes it pretty apparent that the police did not do their job. All they needed to do was safely detain and transport a group of people. It seems there was no impending danger and time could have been allowed for a more reasonable approach that would have been far less expensive for the community.

 

[AHamick]

The fact remains the cops have ta duty to investigate and the authority to detain certain individuals during that investigation. That includes separating suspects from their supporters/protectors. I don't know what the first officers on scene knew about the initial assault but it's possible they needed to single out anyone involved and get them away from other who would hinder the cops from taking police action against them.

"The results of the situation" is due purely to the actions of the family members who violently attacked police officers who were doing exactly what they have the authority to do. They attacked the cops, they tried to disarm them that resulted in an officer being shot, their violent and murderous behaviour forced cops to shoot at least two of them. This is the family's fault. Not the cops.

If you are lawfully detained by the police they have the authority to hold you and control your movements. This means removing you from a car, seating you in a chair/on the curb/in the back seat of a car/etc. Refusal to comply is a crime. The orders to separate were reasonable and lawful. Not only did they refuse But they attacked police officers who attempted to separate them.

 

[Humpy]

The family absolutely needed to be detained and questioned/arrested.

It is disingenuous to say that what ended up happening is due purely to the family resisting. Part of the job of professional policing is to anticipate that people will not always comply and to have an alternative course of action that results in the intended outcome without officers losing control of, and getting shot with, their own weapons or getting kicked in the head by a coworker.

 

[DrPizza]

Uh, I'm referring to what white cops put in their police report after they shot a black male.

Both the Cop who shot Mike Brown and the Cop who sho..um...murdered the gentlemen in SC said they "feared for their lives".

You know, your point would probably be a hell of a lot more effective if you would leave "Mike Brown" out of it. That case was nothing like these other cases - it very clearly was a justified shooting. Mike Brown attempted to grab an officer's gun, there was a struggle for the gun, a round went off in the vehicle. Mike Brown was charging the officer who was retreating while firing his gun. 100% of the physical evidence, and some of the witnesses supported this. [This is where idiots say that the officer shouldn't have gone after Mike Brown. Maybe the cop should have called... the police? Oh, he was doing his job. Never mind.] Mike Brown is dead as a result of assaulting an officer - an assault that included trying to take the officer's weapon. And, in this video, we can see someone even smaller than Mike Brown succeed in firing an officer's weapon - he too is dead.

And, at least to me, if you're attacking an officer, and the officer isn't clearly physically superior (e.g., you're not a 3rd grader), then I have no problem if you're shot. I don't know wtf is in people's heads that makes them think the officers should respond in any other manner.

In this case, it seems that the officers had much better training than in other cases. For idiots who say, "they should have waited for backup" - THESE TWO CARS WERE THE BACKUP. There were already officers on the scene. One can clearly be scene in front of the car as it pulls up. For those who think what the officer's said was confrontational and escalating, what were they supposed to say? "Let's all sit down and sing some songs"? But, they attempted to use tasers - the tasers were ineffective. They attempted to use their batons - also ineffective. After seeing how ineffective the tasers and batons were, I guess it makes a fairly compelling case why an officer might choose to use a gun first.

Further, I absolutely believe every officer should have a cam on their vest. I too don't have 100 trust in all officers. This would all but completely eliminate questions about the legitimacy of officer shootings. Locally - I trust every one of them; perhaps we have better hiring policies in this area.

 

[Subyman]

Isnt that cute. ()

 

[Phokus]

It's amazing how if you're white, you can continually assault a police officer without getting shot, but if you're black, you get murdered by just running away from them. And yes, i realize someone died here, but that was after they stole a cop's gun and shot him, and lets be honest, if they were all black, they would have all been shot dead the second a punch was thrown.

 

[brycejones]

As if we needed more proof that liberals are nothing but assholes that cannot do anything but attack people.

You make a moronic comment, you get called a moron. It isn't an attack it is a statement of fact.

But let me expound for a minute on why you are a moron.

1. The situation was anything but calm before the officers got there. As you can see and hear (you aren't blind and deaf are you?) one of the original officers on the scene says the family needs to be separated (a standard technique in an investigation) and someone in the crowd points back and says they won't be separated. This is certainly not a "calm" situation.
2. Since the family is non-compliant the cops move to the next step which is to put them in handcuffs at this point all hell breaks loose with the family throwing punches.

So you're a moron because as usual you refuse to look at the evidence and base your "analysis" on your blind outrage instead of the facts of the situation.

 

[Subyman]

It's amazing how if you're white, you can continually assault a police officer without getting shot, but if you're black, you get murdered by just running away from them. And yes, i realize someone died here, but lets be honest, if they were all black, they would have all been shot dead the second a punch was thrown.

So what about the white guy that was beaten for 2 minutes by 8+ cops after surrendering?

 

[DrPizza]

The results of the situation makes it pretty apparent that the police did not do their job. All they needed to do was safely detain and transport a group of people. It seems there was no impending danger and time could have been allowed for a more reasonable approach that would have been far less expensive for the community.

"We need to separate them" fighting ensues immediately.

Do you think, "okay, everyone, we're going to have to handcuff you and take you to the nice police station for questioning, pretty please, with a cherry on top" would have led to them all standing with their hands behind their backs?

 

[railer]

The family absolutely needed to be detained and questioned/arrested.

It is disingenuous to say that what ended up happening is due purely to the family resisting. Part of the job of professional policing is to anticipate that people will not always comply and to have an alternative course of action that results in the intended outcome without officers losing control of, and getting shot with, their own weapons or getting kicked in the head by a coworker.

You must not know what the word disingenuous means, because what happened here is 100% the result of the family resisting. The only other good option for the cops in this case, would have been to sit quietly in their squad car for 20 minutes, or an hour, or 3 hours, or however long it would have taken for enough officers to arrive to deal with the 8 potentially crazy people in the parking lot. I don't want cops doing that, and the majority of the US population that doesn't post on ATPN from their parents basements doesn't want that either. These two cops tried to move in and deal as best they could, and the crazy family went off on them and got one of themselves killed. This was completely the fault of the crazy family, and hopefully those responsible will serve lengthy prison terms.