Break in period?

Joony

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Greetings all,

I'm thinking about going to Minneapolis from Chicago to buy a new Mazda3. (long story short, it's the nearest place with the specs I want, and ordering one from the factory will take way too long)

Anyhow, I've been told that the drive back to Chicago won't be good for the car because of all the miles that will be driven at a constant speed for a good 6-8 hours.

Since it's going to be my first MT car, I suppose I could just vary it up the speeds a bit and the RPM a bit. And I could take a few stops on the way.

Thoughts?
 

shocksyde

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Jun 16, 2001
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I think stopping along the way and varying cruising speed/RPM is fine.

Also, make sure to pull the E-Brake while on the highway .
 

DivideBYZero

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You should try to vary speeds. Take some of the journey on regular streets. It's a pain, but constant speeds are not good for a break in period.
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: Joony
Greetings all,

I'm thinking about going to Minneapolis from Chicago to buy a new Mazda3. (long story short, it's the nearest place with the specs I want, and ordering one from the factory will take way too long)

Anyhow, I've been told that the drive back to Chicago won't be good for the car because of all the miles that will be driven at a constant speed for a good 6-8 hours.

Since it's going to be my first MT car, I suppose I could just vary it up the speeds a bit and the RPM a bit. And I could take a few stops on the way.

Thoughts?

My current car only had 300 miles on it when I took a 1300 mile trip. I just adjusted the speed about every 10-15 minutes and all is well.
As long as you don't keep the RPM constant for long periods you'll be okay.
 
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yup vary your rpm's, slow down, speed up, every so often.. you will be fine.

though that myth of keeping it at a constant rpm really is a thing for lower speeds, at higher speed really i dont see a problem.
 

amicold

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For your clutch I wouldn't consider it's break in period to last your trip. By that I mean expect to be gentle on it for a few weeks after you get it back around town.
 

teckmaster

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cars don't really need the break in period anymore as the engines are fired and tested at the factories now.
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: teckmaster
cars don't really need the break in period anymore as the engines are fired and tested at the factories now.

Not at all true for all cars. You MUST read your manual. e.g., the M3 has a run in service @1200 miles when the oil is changed. Fail to follow at your peril.
 

programmer

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Mar 12, 2003
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Yeah, but that is the M3

From Pat Goss, "... Break-in is typically a thousand miles. And even during break-in you could take a 600 mile trip, the only thing to be concerned with is to vary the speed every 10-15 minutes and avoid full throttle acceleration and hard braking.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: teckmaster
cars don't really need the break in period anymore as the engines are fired and tested at the factories now.

Not at all true for all cars. You MUST read your manual. e.g., the M3 has a run in service @1200 miles when the oil is changed. Fail to follow at your peril.

And it must be done at the dealer here in the US. If you do not they negate your warranty.
 

DivideBYZero

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May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: teckmaster
cars don't really need the break in period anymore as the engines are fired and tested at the factories now.

Not at all true for all cars. You MUST read your manual. e.g., the M3 has a run in service @1200 miles when the oil is changed. Fail to follow at your peril.

And it must be done at the dealer here in the US. If you do not they negate your warranty.

Same here.
 

rh71

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Consider the following post about first oil changes:

Engine break-in and first oil change interval... lots of opinions, but little data.

When I bought my 2004 Z4 I took it as an opportunity to get some limited data and, on another board, posted the following message which some might find of interest:

OK, there has been an ongoing debate regarding the need for break-in. Some posters have said that with the closer tolerances of today's engines, break-in is obsolete and one show "drive it like you stole it" out of the box. (as an aside, I never could figure that saying out. If I stole a car I would drive very carefully to avoid the attention of the police). Anyway...

I wanted to answer the break-in question, so I took an oil sample at 2,000 miles and at 4,623 miles without changing the oil. I then compared the wear metals in the oil at these two test points to see if there was a big difference in wear between the first 2K miles and the second 2.6K miles.

The results?

Well, to make things comparable I did two things:

1) I had a sample of the original oil with 14 miles on it analyzed as a baseline sample.

2) Using the total PPM (Parts per million) of wear metals I computed the delta between 14 --> 2,000 --> 4,623 and adjusted it to a PPM per 1,000 miles to show a wear rate.

The results?

Wear Metal, PPM/1000miles First 2K miles, PPM/1000miles Second 2.6K miles:

Iron, 6, 1.2
Copper 5, 1.5
Aluminum 4, 0.4

Conclusions?

Fact: As expected, there is a lot more wear taking place in the engine during the first 2,000 miles than subsequent miles. Wear rate of iron was 5 times greater, Copper 3 times greater, and aluminum ten times greater (these are approximate as the precision and accuracy of the original numbers is 1 ppm, yielding about a 0.5 ppm accuracy in my computed numbers). Chromium, nickle, silver and tin wear rate was below the level of accuracy making a comparision meaningless.

Implication: The concept of a break-in proceedure which "wears-in" the parts to each other is not obsolete. This is a strong implication, not a fact, as the oil analysis cannot really determine what an "improper" break-in would do, e.g., someone might say that while there is more wear during the initial miles, the value of a break-in proceedure has not been proven. And it hasn't. Only an engine teardown of two engines treated differently would ddress this directly. However, it is clear that the initial wear on the engine is significantly greater and it would only make sense to operate the new engine with this in mind, i.e., continue to follow a break-in proceedure which promotes safe wear-in of the engine parts to each other.

None of these metals are present in levels which would indicate the oil is "no good" or needs to be replaced. However, considering the relative cost of the vehicle vs. the cost of an oil change, this data suggests to me that an oil change sometime soon after 2,000 miles would not be inappropriate.
 

exdeath

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One school on break in is to romp as much as you can in the first 100-1000 miles to put maximum pressure on the rings while the cylinder cross hatching is nice and sharp so the rings can file down and seat properly before the cross hatching is smoothed away and the rings can never seat properly.
 

woodie1

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I took my car to the dealer for an oil change @ 3,000 miles and he insisted that I wait until 7,500 miles so I did. He said that was to insure a proper break-in. With 22K on the clock she doesn't use any oil so I guess everything is ok.
 
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