Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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davmat787

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Little clip for the making of episode "Say My Name"

(spoiler warning if you havent seen it yet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KYwQ7mW_JHE

Very interesting that Johnathan Banks, the actor who plays Mike Ehrmantraut, says Mike would never have left his granddaughter in the park, but he went ahead and did the scene anyway and didn't complain basically.

Thanks for the link, cool stuff.

Johnathan Banks, self admitted cupcake. :awe:
 

Franz316

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I wonder is Jesse will find out that Walter killed Mike. Jesse obviously looked up to Mike and admired him so I think he would be pretty pissed. I bet Walter will just explain it away as Mike running to another country and will never be seen again.

Walter has been manipulating Jesse for a while now and it was nice to see Jesse finally stand up to him. It looks like Walter will start eliminating the 9 guys in jail now.
 
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I wonder is Jesse will find out that Walter killed Mike. Jesse obviously looked up to Mike and admired him so I think he would be pretty pissed. I bet Walter will just explain it away as Mike running to another country and will never be seen again.

Walter has been manipulating Jesse for a while now and it was nice to see Jesse finally stand up to him. It looks like Walter will start eliminating the 9 guys in jail now.

Saul has previously offered the service of having suspects in jail shanked in the chow line. Presumably he could coordinate this, but it would be tricky because they'd all have to be killed nearly simultaneously (to prevent the survivors from snitching as soon as they learned about the others). Kind of like the murders of the heads of the five families, plus Moe Green, in The Godfather, or the murders of the Jedi members in Revenge of the Sith.
 
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davmat787

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He was a Philadelphia cop. We learned that he was a former cop in his monologue about "half measures" in season three, and he told Hank and Gomez that he was a Philadelphia cop when they were interrogating him earlier this season. They referred to his tenure as a cop ending badly, but we don't know specifically what happened.

Thank you DVC. Since I had guessed he was a Philly or NYC cop when I posed my question, and had seen Half Measures, maybe it was one of them "I-already-knew-that-but-forgot-because-I-am-getting-older" type of things. :biggrin:

In other news, I watched yesterdays episode again, that look on Gomy's face in the bank vault seen is priceless, love that animated .gif too.
 

davmat787

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Saul has previously offered the service of having suspects in jail shanked in the chow line. Presumably he could coordinate this, but it would be tricky because they'd all have to be killed nearly simultaneously (to prevent the survivors from snitching as soon as they learned about the others). Kind of like the murders of the heads of the five families, plus Moe Green, in The Godfather, or the murders of the Jedi members in Revenge of the Sith.

I am sure you are right, but remember they are not all incarcerated in the same facility. I seem to recall Mike and the other lawyer (non-Saul lawyer) going to different facilities at the beginning of an earlier episode this season. Probably when we were introduced to this other lawyer, I don't recall seeing him in earlier episodes.

Anyway, you are much more familiar with "The System" obviously, how fast would news of a shanking travel among inmates to another correctional facility? I would guess it would really depend on the inmates family, and if any of the family/friends of The Nine were in contact with each other.

If I had to wager, I would think Walt would continue paying the money to the families for The Nine to keep quiet, seems easier than trying to off all of them in different facilities at the same time. Of course the DEA could go at them saying that since Mike is now presumed dead or missing, they won't be getting anymore money so why don't we all have a seat and chat again?
 
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BladeVenom

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i'm really hoping that M60 plays out in the next ep. but being a year ahead, it's probably in the series finale.

The M60 scene was on Walt's 52nd birthday. Walt recently turned 51, so most likely that is going to happen at the end of the season.
 

BladeVenom

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Last weeks episode there were several mentions of things not being as good as they looked. This episode they mentioned that the new distributors were dyeing their meth blue.
 
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I am sure you are right, but remember they are not all incarcerated in the same facility. I seem to recall Mike and the other lawyer (non-Saul lawyer) going to different facilities at the beginning of an earlier episode this season. Probably when we were introduced to this other lawyer, I don't recall seeing him in earlier episodes.

Anyway, you are much more familiar with "The System" obviously, how fast would news of a shanking travel among inmates to another correctional facility? I would guess it would really depend on the inmates family, and if any of the family/friends of The Nine were in contact with each other.

If I had to wager, I would think Walt would continue paying the money to the families for The Nine to keep quiet, seems easier than trying to off all of them in different facilities at the same time. Of course the DEA could go at them saying that since Mike is now presumed dead or missing, they won't be getting anymore money so why don't we all have a seat and chat again?

Your latter point is a good one, though Walt has become so villainous that he doesn't seem like the Kumbayah type, and frankly I think he'd probably rather kill these people than pay them (plus it would be tricky to reach out to them - that too seems like a Saul function).

I had forgotten about the visits to different facilities but you're right. One would still think that two or more of the 9 survivors would be at the same facility (how many jails/prisons could there be in the ABQ area?), but one never knows. I have no idea how fast this sort of news would travel but I would think fairly quickly, since the families of the 9 may well know one another.

I have to say I was a little disappointed with last night's episode because it feels as though Walt's descent into evil has accelerated to the point that it feels improbable. It would appear that nobody in his world (with the exception of Holly and probably Walt Jr.) is safe from him.
 
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darkxshade

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Your latter point is a good one, though Walt has become so villainous that he doesn't seem like the Kumbayah type, and frankly I think he'd probably rather kill these people than pay them (plus it would be tricky to reach out to them - that too seems like a Saul function).

I had forgotten about the visits to different facilities but you're right. One would still think that two or more of the 9 survivors would be at the same facility (how many jails/prisons could there be in the ABQ area?), but one never knows. I have no idea how fast this sort of news would travel but I would think fairly quickly, since the families of the 9 may well know one another.

I have to say I was a little disappointed with last night's episode because it feels as though Walt's descent into evil has accelerated to the point that it feels improbable. It would appear that nobody in his world (with the exception of Holly and probably Walt Jr.) is safe from him.

I think Walt will have them killed. After he offed Mike, he says he forgot Lydia had the names. And what did Lydia want to do with those names?... She also wanted them dead, so I'm sure she'll make that suggestion, especially since Mike(in her point of view) has been compromised and he was the only one in her way.

Secondly, Mikes lawyer got busted because all 9 used the same lawyer making drops on the same bank. Which means Walt would have to find 9 shady lawyers willing to make regular drops in 9 different banks lest he wanna go down the way Mike did. And even if he went that route, he exposes himself way too much having to coordinate all that least of which he'd have to get in touch with all 9 to set up the new drop location and set up the introductions between each member and its specific lawyer. Nah, keeping them on the payroll to keep their mouth shut is not going to work.

Finally... Walter is no longer the snowflake he used to be, keeping them alive is opposite to the direction that the show wants to take his character. He needs to be viewed as ruthless by the end of the series so giving 9 people who knows who he is a pass is unlikely.
 
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darkxshade

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Another thing... I know it's just a show and some of the scenes are done for effect but it sort of bothered me that the lawyer left the vault door open. Or if it was closed how the DEA managed to open it and watch him make the drop without him noticing.
 

Clinkster

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Another thing... I know it's just a show and some of the scenes are done for effect but it sort of bothered me that the lawyer left the vault door open. Or if it was closed how the DEA managed to open it and watch him make the drop without him noticing.

The lady is the only one with the ability to lock the door. She could have just unlocked it...
 

GagHalfrunt

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I wonder is Jesse will find out that Walter killed Mike. Jesse obviously looked up to Mike and admired him so I think he would be pretty pissed. I bet Walter will just explain it away as Mike running to another country and will never be seen again.

Jesse would believe that story as Mike said goodbye and intended to disappear. That leaves Walt to dispose of the body without Jesse finding out though. If Jesse finds out Mike's dead he'll know Walt did it and if the police find Mike's body it will make the news. I'm guessing that Walt manages to hide the body successfully for a while, but next summer Jesse finds out and he becomes the guy Walt is going to have to fight.
 

Balt

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Saul has previously offered the service of having suspects in jail shanked in the chow line. Presumably he could coordinate this, but it would be tricky because they'd all have to be killed nearly simultaneously (to prevent the survivors from snitching as soon as they learned about the others). Kind of like the murders of the heads of the five families, plus Moe Green, in The Godfather, or the murders of the Jedi members in Revenge of the Sith.

I don't think Walt is going to go to Saul with this. I think he's going to rely on Todd, who mentioned his family contacts in prison in the last episode.

Walt giving Todd any kind of leverage seems like a very bad thing for Walt's long-term prospects of staying alive and profitable.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I don't think Walt is going to go to Saul with this. I think he's going to rely on Todd, who mentioned his family contacts in prison in the last episode.

Walt giving Todd any kind of leverage seems like a very bad thing for Walt's long-term prospects of staying alive and profitable.

Why would Walt use Saul or Todd? Lydia has both the means and the motive, the only reason it wasn't being done was because Mike forced her to stop. Once Walt gives Lydia the news that Mike is out of the picture she'll have it done to protect herself.
 

PottedMeat

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Why would Walt use Saul or Todd? Lydia has both the means and the motive, the only reason it wasn't being done was because Mike forced her to stop. Once Walt gives Lydia the news that Mike is out of the picture she'll have it done to protect herself.

what's lydias' means? her only connection to a hitman was mike and his crew. mike wouldn't do it so she went to one of his 11 guys. chris killed chow then mike kills chris, everyone else is in jail. she doesn't seem like the kind of person to associate with ex dirty cops/hitmen to arrange prison killings. i'd guess fring recruited mike.
 

Balt

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Why would Walt use Saul or Todd? Lydia has both the means and the motive, the only reason it wasn't being done was because Mike forced her to stop. Once Walt gives Lydia the news that Mike is out of the picture she'll have it done to protect herself.

The motive, yes. The means, no. Lydia had to GO to Mike and practically beg him to solve the problem. When he said no, she went to one of the others on the list.

The remaining others are in prison. She doesn't have the contacts to make anything happen. She was just the corporate methylamine hookup. She doesn't get her hands dirty with the underlings.
 

Wheezer

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after last nights show I am just going to continue watch to see who ends up killing Walt. It will probably be Walt Jr.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Why are you under the impression that Lydia's only connection was through Mike? She was deeply involved in Gus Frings business, hence her fear of being exposed and need to eliminate the men in jail. Those guys in jail were not the only people working for Mike, they were only the ones who needed to be paid off. Nine guys is a TINY piece of the organization. If Lydia knew them she knew the others too. There are other guys involved that are criminals, are looking for work, presumably won't mind getting their hands dirty and are known to Lydia. She had no problem hiring one guy to go after the ones in jail she'll have no trouble hiring another.
 

Balt

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Why are you under the impression that Lydia's only connection was through Mike? She was deeply involved in Gus Frings business, hence her fear of being exposed and need to eliminate the men in jail. Those guys in jail were not the only people working for Mike, they were only the ones who needed to be paid off. Nine guys is a TINY piece of the organization. If Lydia knew them she knew the others too. There are other guys involved that are criminals, are looking for work, presumably won't mind getting their hands dirty and are known to Lydia. She had no problem hiring one guy to go after the ones in jail she'll have no trouble hiring another.

It's possible, but it's just not the direction I currently believe the series to be going in. Lydia may only be an underling in a huge illegal corporate operation (which I believe many people thought at the end of the last season), or she may only have been an advantageously place corporate underling who was in a position to covertly supply the methylamine. For the moment, it seems Walt has his hands full just dealing with people under Lydia and Mike and his own self-created baggage. If he has to deal with some sort of hierarchy above Lydia, it's going to be an awful lot to cram in to the remaining 9(?) episodes.
 

purbeast0

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Jesse would believe that story as Mike said goodbye and intended to disappear. That leaves Walt to dispose of the body without Jesse finding out though. If Jesse finds out Mike's dead he'll know Walt did it and if the police find Mike's body it will make the news. I'm guessing that Walt manages to hide the body successfully for a while, but next summer Jesse finds out and he becomes the guy Walt is going to have to fight.

"hiding bodies" is not something walt has ever had to do - he simply dissolves them.
 

davmat787

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what's lydias' means? her only connection to a hitman was mike and his crew. mike wouldn't do it so she went to one of his 11 guys. chris killed chow then mike kills chris, everyone else is in jail. she doesn't seem like the kind of person to associate with ex dirty cops/hitmen to arrange prison killings. i'd guess fring recruited mike.

No, she evidently had her own hitman connection. Remember that scene with Lydia and Walt, Mike, and Jesse where they make her call Hank? They are also discussing whether to kill Lydia or not. Anyway, in this scene it comes out that Lydia had put a hit on Mike, she said this to Walt confirming this after Mike told Walt of it.
 

Balt

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No, she evidently had her own hitman connection. Remember that scene with Lydia and Walt, Mike, and Jesse where they make her call Hank? They are also discussing whether to kill Lydia or not. Anyway, in this scene it comes out that Lydia had put a hit on Mike, she said this to Walt confirming this after Mike told Walt of it.

She hired a member of Mike's crew after Mike said no. The guy Mike killed (who was trying to kill Mike) was a member of Mike's former crew.
 
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She hired a member of Mike's crew after Mike said no. The guy Mike killed (who was trying to kill Mike) was a member of Mike's former crew.

Exactly. This was not Lydia's hit man connection - it was Mike's. Lydia offered Mike's lackey (Chris, maybe?) $10K for each crew member he killed, and $30K to kill Mike. He killed Chow, the older Asian guy, but Mike smelled trouble and outflanked and killed him.

I see no reason to think Lydia has any connections in the crime underworld now that Mike is dead. Saul and Todd seem like the best tools Walt has in terms of whacking the other nine crew members, and at this point he seems even more inclined to kill them than Lydia. Clearly it now appears by virtue of the M60 foreshadowing scene that Walt is doing to end up sideways of someone truly scary (maybe the guys who agreed in the opening scene this week).
 
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I am just re-watching last night's episode. A few random observations:

- The cook scene with Todd was typically brilliant BB editing and cinematography. The Monkees' "Goin' Down" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URb8h4dLKps) was a great soundtrack and made the cook look like fun. Really a joyous, rollicking scene. It is a testament to the skill of this show's writers and producers that they can make footage of a meth cook, in the wake of the painful events of the last couple of weeks, seem like such a good time. I think in large part the visual creativity of BB is one the big things separating it from the other brilliant hourlong dramas (The Wire, Mad Men, etc.). This scene reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm-Li_yL03U

- If you can ignore the child-killing, Todd seems like a model employee. I was actually on Walt's side when he told Skyler "I'm working with a new guy, and it really seems like a good fit!" or thereabouts.

- Todd and Lydia are great additions to the show, late in its run (as to the latter, only BB would wedge a character named "Lydia Rodarte-Quayle" into its final season). Really interesting characters who we want to know better.

- I loved Mike and was really saddened by his passing. Jonathan Banks is, like Giancarlo Esposito (Gus Fring), one of the finest actors ever to play a peripheral character on a TV show. It makes me sad that I heretofore only ever knew Banks as Nick Nolte's partner in 48 Hours (he dies in the opening scene). I am happy for him that he was able to play such a great character, on such a great show, even if it was late in his career. In loving memory, enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3u-6UFLubI

- I didn't think this was a top-flight episode, though it included some great scenes. I would rather Mike could have died in a better episode. The previous two episodes were among the best television I've ever seen, in any genre, period, and while this was great it was not a top-tier BB ep. On the plus side, Mike went out with balls and grace.

- The "I just realized that Lydia has the names - I can get them from her" discussion at the end was great, classic BB. Truly funny, and kind of made us feel for Walt despite his awful behavior and killing of the heroic Mike.

I think we should not let the final episodes of BB pass without recognizing what a special thing we are seeing right now. BB is not just a uniquely high-quality episodic drama, it is the best-realized TV show, ever, in terms of making its final season interesting. We are seeing the bleakest and most active period in Walt's series-long de-evolution. For the most part the show continues to be brilliantly conceived, written and executed. I would be hard pressed to come up with a more compelling work of fiction in this era, regardless of medium.
 
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