Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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NuclearNed

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Knowing this generation of TV execs and the huge value of BB, I bet they convinced Gilligan to keep "golden goose" Walt alive in the end for the potential of a new series down the road....sort of like Frasier--new city/new life....or Jack Bauer.

Here's my best theory for how it is going to wrap up. Something BIG & ugly happens that causes Walt to go into the witness protection program. His family may or may not survive this event, but Todd & Lydia are involved. Witness protection moves him to New Hampshire, where he assumes a new identity & changes his appearance somewhat (growing his hair, etc.). A year later, something happens in New Mexico that makes him want to go back and reestablish himself/destroy his enemies/redeem his badass legacy/get revenge/something else/etc. I would bet that whatever this event is, it involves Hank, possibly with Hank biting the big one. Whether or not Walt survives... who knows?
 

purbeast0

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hmm i just had a thought.

what if walt gets the ricin from his house to make another cigarette, and try to prove to jessie that he never used it but he had it hidden the whole time? dunno just something that came up. i also don't remember exactly what the ricin was used for before and how that story played, cause it was a while ago.
 
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hmm i just had a thought.

what if walt gets the ricin from his house to make another cigarette, and try to prove to jessie that he never used it but he had it hidden the whole time? dunno just something that came up. i also don't remember exactly what the ricin was used for before and how that story played, cause it was a while ago.

No. Jesse, with Walt's help, already "found" the ricin cigarette in his Roomba and disposed of the ricin (it was in fact a vial of table salt). Walt did this because Jesse seemed endlessly concerned about what had happened to the cigarette.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Here's my best theory for how it is going to wrap up. Something BIG & ugly happens that causes Walt to go into the witness protection program. His family may or may not survive this event, but Todd & Lydia are involved. Witness protection moves him to New Hampshire, where he assumes a new identity & changes his appearance somewhat (growing his hair, etc.). A year later, something happens in New Mexico that makes him want to go back and reestablish himself/destroy his enemies/redeem his badass legacy/get revenge/something else/etc. I would bet that whatever this event is, it involves Hank, possibly with Hank biting the big one. Whether or not Walt survives... who knows?

The timing on that doesn't work. Walt's 51st birthday was shown, Mike was still alive and Walt, Jesse and Mike were working together. Walt's 52nd birthday is when he bought the machine gun. So we have at least a month or two of Walt/Jesse/Mike after Walt's 51st, then at least 6 months of Walt/Lydia moving to European distribution and Walt making enough money to fill a storage unit and retire. Add another month for Walt to retire, Todd to take over, Todd to fuck up and get fired and the new cook to show a steady decline in meth quality to the point where Lydia tries to get Walt back and then disposes of Declan and his crew. There can't be more than 4 or 5 months TOPS (and even that is pushing credulity to the limit) between present day as seen in the last episode and the Flash forward to buying the M-60 and getting the ricin from the abandoned house.


hmm i just had a thought.

what if walt gets the ricin from his house to make another cigarette, and try to prove to jessie that he never used it but he had it hidden the whole time? dunno just something that came up. i also don't remember exactly what the ricin was used for before and how that story played, cause it was a while ago.

Jesse knows Walt didn't use the ricin on Brock, the hospital confirmed it was Lily of the Valley poisoning. He now knows Walt faked it to look like Gus did it and that was confirmed by Saul. So that line is going nowhere, Walt can't sell it.
 
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fuzzybabybunny

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Sorry for being dense about this but I still don't get jesse's blow up.

So I understand that he realizes that it was Huell who took the ricin cig. from saul/walt's instruction. Is he pissed because

He realizes how much he was played by Walt, eg. the scene where Walt and Jesse were both looking for the ricin at his house. Guess there was a tiny part of Jesse that believe Walt still cared, but this took that all away and realized he was played by Walt the entire time.

I don't recall, but after Jesse realized that Brock was not poison by ricin, what was he's reaction? Also, what did Walt ask Jesse to do by convincing him that Gus was the on that poisoned Brock. I was imagine that Jesse would know Walt was lying after realizing Brock was not poison by ricin as Walt had said.

Remember back when Walt and Jesse were working with Gus. Gus and Walter had a falling out, Jesse and Walter were sort of falling out, and Jesse was starting to trust Gus more and more, but knew that Gus tolerated using children to sell his drugs (and getting one of the kids killed as a result).

Walter new Gus was going to kill him and have Jesse do the cooking, so he needed a way to get Jesse back on his side and somehow create an opening for him to get close to Gus in order to kill him first, since in a previous episode Walt was told by one of Gus' henchmen that he would "never see Gus again."

Walt makes a vial of ricin and gives it to Jesse since Jesse was still able to get close to Gus. Jesse doesn't use the ricin to kill Gus, so Walt hatches another plan to turn Jesse on Gus for good.

Walt has Saul's bodyguard Huell pickpocket the ricin cigarette from Jesse.

Off-camera, he creates poison from the Lily of the Valley plant growing in his backyard, and injects it into a juicebox that Brock drinks from.

Brock falls ill, Jesse realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, and confronts Walt, saying that he had Saul/Huell pickpocket his ricin so he could use it to poison Brock to spite Jesse. Walt convinces Jesse that he would never poison a child, and that Jesse's ricin cigarette must have been stolen by Gus while in the lab. Walt suggests to Jesse that Gus is trying to frame Walt by getting Jesse to think Walt was the one who poisoned Brock, for which Jesse would kill Walt. Gus already had a history of willingly using children to get what he wants, so Jesse, convinced now that Gus is playing him and the one that actually poisoned Brock, sides with Walt.

So now Walt has his opening. He tells Jesse to stay in the hospital, and to say to Gus that he won't leave the hospital to go cook unless he gets a personal visit from Gus. So Gus relents and drives to the hospital to personally visit Jesse. Walt uses this time to attach a bomb to Gus' unattended vehicle.

This attempt fails since something about this whole setup seems awkward to Gus, and he never gets in the car.

Jesse then tells Walt that Gus visits Hector Salamanca to taunt him at the nursing home, so that's where Walt goes to kill him.

After Gus dies everyone finds out that it was actually Lily of the Valley that Brock was ill from, not ricin. Walt convinces Jesse that Gus had to die anyway, even though now it appears that Gus actually hadn't poisoned Brock.

Walt hides the ricin behind the power outlet, creates a fake ricin capsule out of salt, and then "finds" it in the Roomba as they are searching for the missing cigarette at Jesse's house. In this way Walt wraps up his deception. And Walt wins. Gus is dead. Jesse is on his side again. And Walt still has Jesse as a trusty sidekick (he didn't actually use ricin to poison Brock because he knew that Jesse would tell the police that it was ricin in the hopes of saving Brock and the police would have arrested him if it actually turned out to be ricin).

Forward to the most recent episode in the desert. Jesse is thoroughly pissed off at Walt for playing him and stringing him along. He's at the breaking point. But the hug from Walt convinces the emotional Jesse to just forgive him this one last time and disappear to create a new life.

On his way out of Saul's office to meet the guy who's going to take him away, Huell pickpockets Jesse's bag of weed. While waiting to get picked up, Jesse realizes that Huell had pickpocketed his weed, and the epiphany is right there as he's staring at the only thing left in his pockets, a packet of cigarettes:

- Huell HAD pickpocketed his ricin cigarette
- Walt HAD poisoned Brock, a child
- Walt HAD used this missing ricin cigarette to convince him that Gus had poisoned Brock
- thus, Walt HAD played him against Gus and HAD used him to kill Gus
- Walt HAD been playing him this entire time

And this was the last straw for Jesse.
 
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Gibsons

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This attempt fails since something about this whole setup seems awkward to Gus, and he never gets in the car.

Someone refresh my memory here - was there anything in particular that tipped Gus off? I got the impression it was just his instincts. He sort of got nervous (well, as nervous as Gus could get, dude was ice), looked out from the parking deck for a long time, then didn't get in the car. Kept thinking I missed what his clue was.
 

Wingznut

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Someone refresh my memory here - was there anything in particular that tipped Gus off? I got the impression it was just his instincts. He sort of got nervous (well, as nervous as Gus could get, dude was ice), looked out from the parking deck for a long time, then didn't get in the car. Kept thinking I missed what his clue was.
Nope, there were no clues.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Someone refresh my memory here - was there anything in particular that tipped Gus off? I got the impression it was just his instincts. He sort of got nervous (well, as nervous as Gus could get, dude was ice), looked out from the parking deck for a long time, then didn't get in the car. Kept thinking I missed what his clue was.

Yeah, I think it was just his instincts. Still - he was out in the open - he knew that. He looked out towards the roofs where Walt was hiding. Very exposed. Perhaps he got suspicious that this was a plan all along - Jesse refusing to budge from the hospital, him going there in person to see what was going on with Jesse, etc. He might not have formulated the actual plot, but he had enough of a feeling to not chance getting into his car.
 

jman19

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Brock didn't die from ricin...

Remember doctors confirmed that Brock died from Lily of the Valley?

If so.. tonight's ending is a huge continuity error.

It's like you don't even try to pay attention.
 

TeeJay1952

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I thought that they (show-runners) topped themselves each commercial break. I didn't think they could, but they kept building and building. 6 seven minute plays combining into one over all a diamond hard examination of what it is like to Break Bad.

Tee Jay
 

AdamK47

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I saw the reason for Jesse flipping out at the end more simplistically. I didn't read into it a whole lot.

When Jesse looks at the pack of crumpled up cigarettes, remembering the ricin cigarrete, he makes the connection that through this whole time Walt has been using him. Having him leave completely was just another example of that.
 

MixMasterTang

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Here's my best theory for how it is going to wrap up. Something BIG & ugly happens that causes Walt to go into the witness protection program. His family may or may not survive this event, but Todd & Lydia are involved. Witness protection moves him to New Hampshire, where he assumes a new identity & changes his appearance somewhat (growing his hair, etc.). A year later, something happens in New Mexico that makes him want to go back and reestablish himself/destroy his enemies/redeem his badass legacy/get revenge/something else/etc. I would bet that whatever this event is, it involves Hank, possibly with Hank biting the big one. Whether or not Walt survives... who knows?

There is no way he goes into witness protection BUT he could use Saul's guy to get a new identity.
 

PottedMeat

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todd is going to get himself killed at the next cook
lydia and the aryans need a cook, with jesse crazy, walt is the only one left
walt says no, leading him to a new identity and needing the m60

or they try to use jesse and walt tries to save him?
 

GagHalfrunt

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Nope, there were no clues.

There was a very big clue, it was just subtle. Gus visited Jesse to try to convince him to come back to work. He didn't know what was wrong with the kid. While they were talking Gus offered his power as a member of the hospital board to try to get the best doctors on the case and Jesse told Gus that Brock had been poisoned. That came as a complete surprise to Gus, you could see the wheels start to spin in his head. He put two and two together. Who had the motive to poison Brock to drive a wedge between Gus and Jesse and who had the skill set to do it easily? Every clue pointed towards Walt. So when they got back to the car he was suddenly nervous because he had left the car unguarded and because he had deduced that Walt was making some big play. He didn't know that when he went into the hospital, the talk with Jesse was what tipped him off.
 
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Remember back when Walt and Jesse were working with Gus. Gus and Walter had a falling out, Jesse and Walter were sort of falling out, and Jesse was starting to trust Gus more and more, but knew that Gus tolerated using children to sell his drugs (and getting one of the kids killed as a result).

Walter new Gus was going to kill him and have Jesse do the cooking, so he needed a way to get Jesse back on his side and somehow create an opening for him to get close to Gus in order to kill him first, since in a previous episode Walt was told by one of Gus' henchmen that he would "never see Gus again."

Walt makes a vial of ricin and gives it to Jesse since Jesse was still able to get close to Gus. Jesse doesn't use the ricin to kill Gus, so Walt hatches another plan to turn Jesse on Gus for good.

Walt has Saul's bodyguard Huell pickpocket the ricin cigarette from Jesse.

Off-camera, he creates poison from the Lily of the Valley plant growing in his backyard, and injects it into a juicebox that Brock drinks from.

Brock falls ill, Jesse realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, and confronts Walt, saying that he had Saul/Huell pickpocket his ricin so he could use it to poison Brock to spite Jesse. Walt convinces Jesse that he would never poison a child, and that Jesse's ricin cigarette must have been stolen by Gus while in the lab. Walt suggests to Jesse that Gus is trying to frame Walt by getting Jesse to think Walt was the one who poisoned Brock, for which Jesse would kill Walt. Gus already had a history of willingly using children to get what he wants, so Jesse, convinced now that Gus is playing him and the one that actually poisoned Brock, sides with Walt.

So now Walt has his opening. He tells Jesse to stay in the hospital, and to say to Gus that he won't leave the hospital to go cook unless he gets a personal visit from Gus. So Gus relents and drives to the hospital to personally visit Jesse. Walt uses this time to attach a bomb to Gus' unattended vehicle.

This attempt fails since something about this whole setup seems awkward to Gus, and he never gets in the car.

Jesse then tells Walt that Gus visits Hector Salamanca to taunt him at the nursing home, so that's where Walt goes to kill him.

After Gus dies everyone finds out that it was actually Lily of the Valley that Brock was ill from, not ricin. Walt convinces Jesse that Gus had to die anyway, even though now it appears that Gus actually hadn't poisoned Brock.

Walt hides the ricin behind the power outlet, creates a fake ricin capsule out of salt, and then "finds" it in the Roomba as they are searching for the missing cigarette at Jesse's house. In this way Walt wraps up his deception. And Walt wins. Gus is dead. Jesse is on his side again. And Walt still has Jesse as a trusty sidekick (he didn't actually use ricin to poison Brock because he knew that Jesse would tell the police that it was ricin in the hopes of saving Brock and the police would have arrested him if it actually turned out to be ricin).

Forward to the most recent episode in the desert. Jesse is thoroughly pissed off at Walt for playing him and stringing him along. He's at the breaking point. But the hug from Walt convinces the emotional Jesse to just forgive him this one last time and disappear to create a new life.

On his way out of Saul's office to meet the guy who's going to take him away, Huell pickpockets Jesse's bag of weed. While waiting to get picked up, Jesse realizes that Huell had pickpocketed his weed, and the epiphany is right there as he's staring at the only thing left in his pockets, a packet of cigarettes:

- Huell HAD pickpocketed his ricin cigarette
- Walt HAD used this missing ricin cigarette to convince him that Gus had poisoned Brock
- thus, Walt HAD played him against Gus and HAD used him to kill Gus
- Walt HAD been playing him this entire time

And this was the last straw for Jesse.

This is true, but you've omitted what I think is the most important reason Jesse is so upset - the fact that Walt poisoned Brock. He even says that during the confrontation with Saul. I think this is the main reason he's so pissed he would burn Walt's house down (and probably kill him given the chance).
 

fuzzybabybunny

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This is true, but you've omitted what I think is the most important reason Jesse is so upset - the fact that Walt poisoned Brock. He even says that during the confrontation with Saul. I think this is the main reason he's so pissed he would burn Walt's house down (and probably kill him given the chance).

Oh, yeah, of course. Bah, I forgot to add that in. Knew I was missing thing.
 

Gibsons

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Another prediction - Walt's lottery ticket hits for like a few hundred dollars, Junior notices and cashes it in.
 
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Walt gives Hank the wrong video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_mVq_4BA5DQ

I feel like Walt would still have a pretty good idea where it is.

Ha! That video is great.

I do think the lottery ticket is a risky way to memorialize the location of the money, especially since nobody else in the house knows its significance. We know Jesse doesn't succeed in burning the house down, but I don't recall whether we see enough of the house in S5E9 to know for sure he never started a fire at all. If he did, it's possible the fire consumes the ticket, or that he steals it.

I agree Walt would be able to get close to where the money is buried but it could be very hard to actually find it without precise coordinates. I guess if the barrels had the steel lever-lock closures we usually see on the show (like the ones used to dispose of Victor and Drew Sharp), a metal detector could find them, but I don't recall if the money barrels closed that way.
 
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