Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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Rudee

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White guys who fire a barrage of shots that don't hit Han & Chewie = Stormtroopers

White guys who fire a barrage of shots that don't hit Hank & Gomie = Todd & the Neo-Nazis
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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This one was exceptionally egregious. Multiple high caliber weapons, all with plenty of time to sight on just two targets who are completely out in the open. They shoot first, and for some seconds Hank and Gomez just stand there and return fire. Yet not even so much of a flesh wound.

I agree. Incredible writing, with gaffes, this was a gaffe.

Plus, if you really want to nitpick, it was apparent from the verbal exchange that these guys would never have opened fire if Hank & Gomez Pyle could have just proved they were cops.

So, both were armed but somehow left their badges at home? Even if they had, were I either of them, I would have immediately started shouting out my name, my rank, my years with the force, anything that might have continued to give this army of bad guys further reason to rethink killing me.

Instead, they said nothing. But, yeah, I know, that's how TV works.

What would help with that is that the bad guys were only saying that to get them to lower their weapons to get thei badges and they'd then shoot, and the agents figured that.

But a minor gaffe is Hank yelling 'Police' in stead of 'DEA'. He would have said something though in my opinion, not just stood there.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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Walt needed to get rid of Jesse a long time ago. Now, It just annoys the shit out of me over the amount of indecision Walt has about what to do about Jesse's behavior.

Of course, Jesse IS a coward and only ran to the cops because he couldn't get Walt otherwise...now, he is trying to weasel out of the shootout. I was hoping they would just snipe Jesse and piece out. Of course, Hank would have been all over Walt's ass.

Anyway, seeing as how Hank and Gomie are carrying out this unauthorized undercover investigation...I don't see how any of this info they gathered can be used against Walt.

Of course the evidence can be used against Walt as long as they follow lawful procedures. It doens't have to be an 'authorized investigation', and even less so for the office head.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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Yep, at least Marie got a call from Hank (even if it's likely the last time they'd talk).

Seemed like there were a couple things in that dialogue that suggested Hank gets killed - the whole phone call was gratuitous 'love you' stuff adding to the impact of a shooting.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Walt jr kills Walter in the final episode.

damn Marie spilled the beans.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it turns out. Walt Jr. is pretty much the only major cast member who doesn't know that Walt is evil at this point, and who knows what might happen when he finally figures it out.
 
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Walt needed to get rid of Jesse a long time ago. Now, It just annoys the shit out of me over the amount of indecision Walt has about what to do about Jesse's behavior.

Of course, Jesse IS a coward and only ran to the cops because he couldn't get Walt otherwise...now, he is trying to weasel out of the shootout. I was hoping they would just snipe Jesse and piece out. Of course, Hank would have been all over Walt's ass.

Anyway, seeing as how Hank and Gomie are carrying out this unauthorized undercover investigation...I don't see how any of this info they gathered can be used against Walt.

Jesse didn't run to the cops at all. Hank caught him trying to burn down the White house. The fact that this investigation is being run off-book doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't use the resulting evidence. I see no legal reason they couldn't use the money as evidence against him if they somehow survive and find it (which I doubt will happen).
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Something else poorly written was that when Walt said don't come, he didn't say anything about 'it's the DEA here', or 'if you come the deal is off'.
 

Perknose

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While I agree the Nazi's were terrible shots, you honestly think those same Nazis would have put down their guns had Hank and Gomez showed their badges? They were just drawing them closer so they could miss with their first 100 shots. Each.

They wouldn't have killed them. Outside of the crazies and amateurs, experienced "pro" criminals know that killing a cop is the surest way to make sure the law enforcement community will make every effort to run them to ground and then get sympathetic prosecutors to seek the death penalty for them once caught.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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I don't see how that constitutes poor writing. Why would he have said either of these things?

Because he really didn't want them to come. I guess it's plausible that he thought he'd be listened to, but more in character for him to have lied 'a bunch of police' to get his way.

It'd be natural if he had any suspicion they'd come that he'd look for something to say to change their mind. It's not that big an error.

Now on the other hand, the bad guys got their awfully fast considering they were still in the city when Hank arrived in the desert.

But that could have been made plausible pretty easily by wasting some time looking around for the money, so nothing really lost in the story there.

The egregious error was the shootout - but that might get fixed next episode.

I sure wouldn't bet on Hank's partner getting through this, at least - he's a 'good guy' friend likely to get killed IMO.
 
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They wouldn't have killed them. Outside of the crazies and amateurs, experienced "pro" criminals know that killing a cop is the surest way to make sure the law enforcement community will make every effort to run them to ground and then get sympathetic prosecutors to seek the death penalty for them once caught.

I'm not convinced of that in this context. These are the same guys who murdered ten prime witnesses in prison - fear of consequences doesn't seem to play much of a role in their decision-making. New Mexico doesn't have the death penalty, and it's relatively rare for the federal government (which would at least potentially have had jurisdiction over this case since two federal agents would be victims) to give the death penalty, much less actually execute anyone. I took it that they would absolutely have killed Hank and Gomez (who could identify them and might remember their license plate numbers) no matter what.
 

Perknose

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Walt jr kills Walter in the final episode.

damn Marie spilled the beans.
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Even better, when Walt jr finds out how evil his dad is, he confronts him, and in the confrontation, Walt somehow kills/harms his son . . . and then, with the full realization of how far he's "broken bad" finally staring him in the face, Walt kills himself.

No way, imho, that Walt has a happy ending.
 

holden j caufield

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Dec 30, 1999
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I think they have a screening for the final at the hollywood bowl or some place in LA. If someone gets the tickets, I'd like to know the ending. hehe
 

LookBehindYou

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I think the horrible shooting was more just to extend the scene into the next episode so the people get killed at the beggining of the episode. It was either, have shootout and someone gets killed this episode, have shootout next episode, or start shootout and stop in the middle for drama and end it the next episode, but to do that you have to extend it out via shitty shooting.
 

chin311

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stolen from reddit but here's why they had such a hard time hitting a target they saying:
 

Perknose

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I'm not convinced of that in this context. These are the same guys who murdered ten prime witnesses in prison - fear of consequences doesn't seem to play much of a role in their decision-making. New Mexico doesn't have the death penalty, and it's relatively rare for the federal government (which would at least potentially have had jurisdiction over this case since two federal agents would be victims) to give the death penalty, much less actually execute anyone. I took it that they would absolutely have killed Hank and Gomez (who could identify them and might remember their license plate numbers) no matter what.

You're probably right.
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
May 10, 2001
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It looks like no one gets killed since Walt was alive to be on Talking Bad last night, along with Gomey. Next week Hank is on, so they cant do the show if they were dead, DUH.
 

purbeast0

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as soon as walt called his buddies to come get his back, i was like 'damn anubis called this!' and i still think it's going to play out that way, where hank gets killed and walt gets pissed off and eventually has to have firepower to go up against those guys.

maybe he ends up going to the police after hank dies and makes some kind of deal with him to turn in todd's crew, and rats out the entire meth operation, and for doing the deal they put him in witness protection. and since gomie and hank are both dead, the whole things goes away about him being hisenberg.

oh, and i think marie will off herself once she finds out hank is dead. she's already in an unstable position. i also was 100% confident that hank would be dead as soon as he made that phone call.
 

MetalMat

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Jun 14, 2004
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Here is what I think will happen. Gomez & Hank get killed. Jessie Pinkman gets shot but not killed. Walter is devastated because he thinks Pinkman is dead. He ends up burning all the money himself in shame and gets back in the business with his new partner: Huell.
 

Krazy4Real

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Oct 3, 2003
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Great episode, but the shooting was definitely annoying to me. I think it would have been better if they cut to black and you just hear the gunfire for about 10 seconds and then ended the episode.
 
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