Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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M0oG0oGaiPan

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i don't think he's going to go for revenge against the grey matter peeps. i think their interview just confirmed that blue meth is still being produced and maybe he realized jessie is alive. Either he wants to rescue him or he just wants to take revenge on him because he assumed he was killed already.
 

GagHalfrunt

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There are some exceptions. Tuco killed someone out of arbitrary rage. Gus killing Victor may have been for a lot of reasons which may have gone beyond the risk he posed by having been identified by police. Tuco's cousins killed bystanders for reasons that aren't especially clear to me (not sure if it was to avoid witness or just because they killed everything in their wake). Hector killed Gus for revenge.

The cousins killed everyone in the truck because of being recognized. They didn't kill everything in their wake, they notably left their Mercedes to the little girl's peasant family when they stole the clothes.


i don't think he's going to go for revenge against the grey matter peeps. i think their interview just confirmed that blue meth is still being produced and maybe he realized jessie is alive. Either he wants to rescue him or he just wants to take revenge on him because he assumed he was killed already.


Walt knows that blue meth is being produced and he knows that Todd is cooking it, that's been covered in great detail. The TV interview told Walt nothing he didn't already know, the catalyst was Elliott and Gretchen completely dismissing him and his work. That enraged him.
 
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This award is for which season, as the show breaks it off by over half a year?

CAN BB be nominated for Emmy's next year as well?....

The award was for the first half of Season 5, which aired in 2012. It can be nominated again for 2013 (for Season 5A, airing now).
 

GlacierFreeze

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Walt knows that blue meth is being produced and he knows that Todd is cooking it, that's been covered in great detail. The TV interview told Walt nothing he didn't already know, the catalyst was Elliott and Gretchen completely dismissing him and his work. That enraged him.

I don't really think him being enraged about being dismissed was really that big of a deal there. I think the point of showing him watching that interview came at the end of it, when they say something along the lines of "how much he changed from when they knew him" and that "he is a completely different person." At that point he realizes he actually is a completely different person. He isn't Walter White any more. He realizes that he *is* Heisenberg and he still has things that need to be done (revenge against Jack's crew for Hank's murder and taking his money). Because up to that point, after the call with Walt Jr, he had given up and decided he was going to let the police trace his call and just wait for them.

Also, I don't think he kills Jesse, unless Jesse goes after him first. I think since he lost his family, he'll realize what he drug Jesse through, and he'll have sympathy towards him. Just a guess. Who knows, but I'm pretty excited for the last episode.
 

BrokenVisage

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I find this defense of Todd very strange. The only reason he saved Jesse was for personal gain (i.e., the ability to make meth that would please Lydia). It would appear he did beat up Jesse, and it was certainly his idea to do so (he told Jack he could get the info out of Jesse about what he'd told the DEA). It wasn't Todd's idea to leave Walt the $11M - that was 100% Jack (though Jack said he did so as a gesture based on Todd's loyalty to Walt). It's true that he didn't kill Skyler, but again that appears mostly to be a demonstration of his loyalty to Walt.

Here goes...

I already said Jesse was a means to an end for him, but at the end of the day he did still save his life. As for him being tortured, for Todd is was all a ploy to get him to cook, but the other men don't know that and really would be concerned about what he told the DEA, so who knows who did that to Jesse, I find it rather odd that Todd would torture him then later give him ice cream and basically baby Jesse up the ladder into their lab. Yeah he had the shit kicked out of him at that point but could obviously still walk and climb. I think you're wrong though, it was Todd's idea to leave the money for Walt, we see Todd talking to Jack and Jack tapping Todd's cheek like in agreement before he gives the order to remove a barrel. This plays to me like Todd had to convince Jack to do so as Todd kept looking back on Walt in worry. Besides, why would Jack care about leaving him anything? He already proved by executing Hank that he has little regard for Walt's situation. Todd's the one who respects Walt and would want him left with something, yeah his "sorry for your loss" was cold but what's he going to do? His uncle is the boss. He respects Walt and could tell losing someone like Hank petrified him, so I'd say he really was sorry for what happened to Hank.

Meanwhile, Todd did kill Drew Sharp, and killed Andrea on her own porch with her son in the house. I can't see equating those murders of entirely innocent people to Gale's murder. Jesse killed Gale because it was necessary to save his own life and Walt's, and did so with tears in his eyes. He has been haunted by it ever since (most notably during all of season 4). Todd killed two innocent people for selfish reasons, without a second thought. We saw his reaction when he and Jack's crew were watching the Jesse video and Jesse brought up the death of Drew Sharp - he smiled and seemed proud to be tied to such a notorious crime.

As far as I can see Todd is a completely cold, remorseless psychopath.

Not equating murders just saying he was innocent too and like Drew Sharp his murder was based on having to make a snap decision based on an unexpected situation. Jesse wasn't going to kill Gale after all it was supposed to be Walt, but killing Gale only saved Walt not both of them like you say, Gus had no idea where Jesse was and doing so took him out of hiding and put him in danger. But by your logic because Todd didn't have tears in his eyes or mope around like a zombie for most of a season that he didn't feel remorse for killing Drew Sharp? Just because he doesn't regret it doesn't mean it didn't make him feel bad. He explained his side to the 3 of them after it happened and Mike and Walt, both who have children, thought it was good enough and agreed to let him stay on, mind you his uncle wasn't even a thought at this point, they had no real reason to keep him on other then so they didn't have to kill him. They gave him an order that no one could know what they did, it was him looking out for himself AND the others in a sense plus following their orders, so I believe you're mis-categorizing killing Drew Sharp under "selfish reasons", he was a reaction killing and Andrea was a punishment killing. Walt killing Gus and Mike were more "selfish" killings. Plus I think you're wrong about the reaction he had when Jesse talked about the Sharp killing on video, I'll have to re-watch it but last night I could swear he had a look of concern over them killing Jesse more than anything, not pride. Dude has such a stone face I think I would have noticed a smile.

All that being said, we're debating the mentality and questionable morals of a fictional character in a show full of flawed ones, I'll take a contrarian stance on Todd for now but after next week I may go the other way, we shall see.

EDIT: Just re-watched, forgot how early on this happened, but no way Todd smiles during the Jesse video, he's eating something and is still chewing it in his mouth when this goes on and is totally :| the entire time. FWIW
 
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BrokenVisage

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You're kidding right?
But Todd killed Andrea just for a petty personal gain of trying to impress a woman. He did it while knowing it would completely destroy a person he then intended to go on working with. I agree with others who say that he's the sickest person in the whole series, although I'd add that his uncle and colleagues are every bit as bad since they were clearly complicit and supportive of this.

He killed Andrea to punish Jesse, Lydia had nothing to do with it other then it being the underlying reason for using Jesse. Jesse said he wouldn't cook anymore anyway so Todd can intend until the cows come home I doubt Jesse helps him at all now unless he holds killing Brock over his head, now THAT would be pretty cold because Jesse knows Todd would be capable of killing a kid.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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He killed Andrea to punish Jesse, Lydia had nothing to do with it other then it being the underlying reason for using Jesse. Jesse said he wouldn't cook anymore anyway so Todd can intend until the cows come home I doubt Jesse helps him at all now unless he holds killing Brock over his head, now THAT would be pretty cold because Jesse knows Todd would be capable of killing a kid.
I'm pretty sure they said something right after Todd shot Andrea to remind Jesse that Brock was still a potential victim if Jesse fails to comply.
 
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HopJokey

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I could actually see that happening. The ricin/Stevia thing does work nicely and Lydia would be Walt's way to find the Aryans. Add in one detail, Jesse kidnaps Brock and uses Vacuum Guy to make an identity for him as Jesse's son.

The Lydia thing I don't see happening. She is super paranoid and no way would she meet up with Walt.

The thing with the Nazi's I think could happen.
 

Exophase

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He killed Andrea to punish Jesse, Lydia had nothing to do with it other then it being the underlying reason for using Jesse. Jesse said he wouldn't cook anymore anyway so Todd can intend until the cows come home I doubt Jesse helps him at all now unless he holds killing Brock over his head, now THAT would be pretty cold because Jesse knows Todd would be capable of killing a kid.

Yeah, Jesse said he wouldn't cook anymore, before really considering that they'd start killing his loved ones otherwise. Of course they're holding Brock over Jesse's head to make him still cook, why else do you think Jack reminded him the kid is still alive? Why would they spare him if their goal was only to mindlessly hurt Jesse?

If they really believe Jesse won't cook for them anymore then they really should have just killed him. Wanting to kill a totally innocent person to inflict revenge on someone for trying to escape enslavement is not helping your argument that Todd is actually not such a bad guy, that sounds even worse than coercing Jesse for his own benefit.
 

BrokenVisage

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Yeah, Jesse said he wouldn't cook anymore, before really considering that they'd start killing his loved ones otherwise. Of course they're holding Brock over Jesse's head to make him still cook, why else do you think Jack reminded him the kid is still alive? Why would they spare him if their goal was only to mindlessly hurt Jesse?

If they really believe Jesse won't cook for them anymore then they really should have just killed him. Wanting to kill a totally innocent person to inflict revenge on someone for trying to escape enslavement is not helping your argument that Todd is actually not such a bad guy, that sounds even worse than coercing Jesse for his own benefit.

lol I never said he wasn't a bad guy, in fact I said he was one, I'm just looking at his actions from a different angle, so if I notice something that goes against my angle I'll take it into consideration. It's actually a little silly at this point now that they have the money, once Jesse tried to escape they should have just killed him and been done with it, now they've murdered again just to keep Todd's love interest intact. If it were Todd acting alone it would seem a little more plausible.
 

Exophase

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lol I never said he wasn't a bad guy, in fact I said he was one, I'm just looking at his actions from a different angle, so if I notice something that goes against my angle I'll take it into consideration.

Well I don't really know what you said apart from this: "I just don't see him as being this evil, unsympathetic figure that people on here are making him out to be. "

Which sounded like "he's not such a bad guy" to me. Unsympathetic is definitely a word I would use to describe him.

It's actually a little silly at this point now that they have the money, once Jesse tried to escape they should have just killed him and been done with it, now they've murdered again just to keep Todd's love interest intact. If it were Todd acting alone it would seem a little more plausible.

Yes, Jack's crew is willing to let Todd run around killing people in order to protect his little love fantasy. They really have that little regard for the lives of strangers. Although it does strike me as unnecessary risk, and it'll be good if Brock saw it and can somehow ID them later.

I did say earlier they didn't kill Skyler (or Holly) because that was an unnecessary risk too, but that would have been a ton riskier than killing Andrea what with the police surveillance around her house. I'm kind of amazed they pulled off what they did.
 

dr150

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That's obviously an inside joke.

On Talking Bad, the actor recalled he was so depressed when he filmed his death scene that he took the first flight back to North Carolina that evening.

bviously his contribution to the show was finished then and there.
 

Wheezer

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He should have taken the glass with him or at the very least wiped the prints from it and the phone. Hell, for all the cops knew when they got there and found nothing it could have been a prank call.
 

Zeze

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He should have taken the glass with him or at the very least wiped the prints from it and the phone. Hell, for all the cops knew when they got there and found nothing it could have been a prank call.

This is not real life. Cops already know it was Walter White.
 

ch33zw1z

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He should have taken the glass with him or at the very least wiped the prints from it and the phone. Hell, for all the cops knew when they got there and found nothing it could have been a prank call.

Jr. already turned him in. GTFO ASAP.
 

nageov3t

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He should have taken the glass with him or at the very least wiped the prints from it and the phone. Hell, for all the cops knew when they got there and found nothing it could have been a prank call.

seems safe to assume that Jr notified the cops immediately, and it doesn't take high-tech triangulation to see 2 calls coming from the same area code (one verified to be Walter White).

the bar looked empty, so the bartender may have also turned him in.
 
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