Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

[BladeVenom]

What did they charge Skyler with? There's not even any hard evidence against Walt.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

What did they charge Skyler with? There's not even any hard evidence against Walt.

A fair point. They can (and apparently have) take her house and the car wash through civil forfeiture, but I'm not sure what there is evidence to charge her with. I suspect a forensic accountant could go into the books of the car wash and show that she engaged in money laundering, but she's smart and probably covered her tracks well. Meanwhile, Marie doesn't seem motivated to help prosecute her at this point, and the only clear evidence the police have is their recording of Walt's phone call with her, where he is adamant she knew nothing of his operations. Life would be very hard for her for a while but I'm not convinced she'd end up convicted of anything.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

What did they charge Skyler with? There's not even any hard evidence against Walt.

Skyler wasn't charged with anything YET. Saul gave Walt the speech about what was going to be happening with Skyler and the cops. They were going to RICO her, freeze assets, seize the house and crawl up her ass with a microscope looking for evidence. And if she was REALLY lucky she might get clear in a year and a half. Until then the government was going to make her life miserable. Hell, the very next scene was her and the lawyers. "Yes, I understand that I'm in terrible trouble. I understand that you will use everything in your power against me and my children unless I give you Walt. But the truth is I can't give you what you want..."

 

[Exophase]

To those who think that Walt is going to seek revenge on Gretchen and Elliot now - I hate to go all meta-show logic but I don't think this really even could be possible. Since the inclusion of the Schwartzes was a late addition made to satisfy a dying fan's wish (http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2013/09/25/breaking-bad-scene-fulfilled-dying-boys-wish/) somehow I don't think it's shaping the entire last episode.

 

[Kev]

+1

At the end of the interview they talked about how much he has changed and that he's not the same person. Walt's demeanor changed, realizing he's not Walt, but now Heisenberg and he still has things to do as he previously mentioned.

He's not going after that couple (well I guess anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it). They just reminded him what he's done, been through, and what he still has left to do. He's going to avenge Hank's death and retrieve his stolen money no matter what. Heisenberg is out for blood. No one messes with his money.

I think what really got to him about the interview was them saying he had nothing to do with the forming of Grey Matter. It was a huge blow to his ego. He is coming back to get revenge on the neo nazis, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns himself in or does a public confession of everything he did. He wants people to know who he is, and now that he has lost his family completely there's nothing to stop him.

I also think he was pissed to find out the blue meth was still being made, which means Jesse wasn't killed as promised. He probably hates Jesse more than the nazis at this point.

 

[Kev]

I can't believe how many people think Gretchen and Elliot are targets. They have barely been featured in the show since the first couple seasons. To have them be the centerpiece of the finale would be ridiculous and it boggles my mind how anyone could think Vince Gilligan would go this route.

 

[AdamK47]

I can't believe how many people think Gretchen and Elliot are targets. They have barely been featured in the show since the first couple seasons. To have them be the centerpiece of the finale would be ridiculous and it boggles my mind how anyone could think Vince Gilligan would go this route.

Exactly. I can't believe it either.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I can't believe how many people think Gretchen and Elliot are targets. They have barely been featured in the show since the first couple seasons. To have them be the centerpiece of the finale would be ridiculous and it boggles my mind how anyone could think Vince Gilligan would go this route.

And I can't believe it's possible that anyone could watch the bar scene and NOT think that Gretchen and Elliott are going to be a big part of the finale. As they've been the primary motivation behind most of Walt's actions and are the primary motivation of him retuning to New Mexico rather than surrendering to the New Hampshire cops it's not too big a leap.

 

[ZaneNBK]

I can't believe how many people think Gretchen and Elliot are targets. They have barely been featured in the show since the first couple seasons. To have them be the centerpiece of the finale would be ridiculous and it boggles my mind how anyone could think Vince Gilligan would go this route.

Yeah, they've been focusing on Jesse, Todd and his Uncle's gang all season and then for the finale they're going to switch it up and go kill some side characters who are only marginally important to the story? Yeah.. no.

Here's a thought, maybe seeing Gretchen and Elliot take credit for his work and the supposed fruits of his labor he decided that he wasn't going to let that happen again with his awesome blue meth and the money he worked for. So that was the catalyst for him decided to go take out the Jesse, Todd and the gang, getting his money back and making sure no-one else is making his meth.

I thought he might let Jesse live because he's always protected him the past, but Jesse is the reason Hank got killed and Uncle Jack got his money. I give it about a 70% chance he kills Jesse along with the others. (or tries anyway)

 

[Anubis]

i still dont think he knows Jesse is alive, i thought he would figure it out seeing news of Andreas death in the papers but that didnt happen. i still say he goes and kills Todds uncles crew and all that and finds Jesse alive, lets him live and even goes as far to give him money

 

[BladeVenom]

Skyler wasn't charged with anything YET.

She has a public defender, and the vacuum guy said there was no court day yet. So presumably she has been charged with something.

He also mentioned a grand jury. Do they need a grand jury to freeze assets, or just a judge?

 

[Anubis]

no the whole point of going to a grand jury is to see if criminal charges should be brought against someone

 

[ZaneNBK]

i still dont think he knows Jesse is alive, i thought he would figure it out seeing news of Andreas death in the papers but that didnt happen. i still say he goes and kills Todds uncles crew and all that and finds Jesse alive, lets him live and even goes as far to give him money

Let's see, Jesse got his brother-in-law killed, Walt busted, his family kicked out of their home and barely scraping by and their "inheritance" stolen and made it basically impossible for Walt to give his family the money he had left. I don't think he's going to be too forgiving this time.

 

[Anubis]

i think he will see saving Jesse as his redemption after coming to grips will all the wrong he has caused

 

[K1052]

Let's see, Jesse got his brother-in-law killed, Walt busted, his family kicked out of their home and barely scraping by and their "inheritance" stolen and made it basically impossible for Walt to give his family the money he had left. I don't think he's going to be too forgiving this time.

Hank was already on to Walt and wasn't going to stop even if Jesse didn't give him up. Different roads would have led to the same destination. What Jessee did to him wasn't any worse than the stuff Walt did to Jesse.

 

[K1052]

i think he will see saving Jesse as his redemption after coming to grips will all the wrong he has caused

probably

If he can save Jesse while getting his revenge then I think he'll do it. The ricin is a fall back plan. Whatever happens he's going out on his own terms.

 

[BladeVenom]

no the whole point of going to a grand jury is to see if criminal charges should be brought against someone

I think charges would have already filed, and it would go to a grand jury for an indictment to see if it goes to trial.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

In case anyone is curious, here is the trailer for the new Aaron Paul movie, Need for Speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsrJWUVoXeM

I love BB and cars, and like video games, but this looks horrendous. I can hardly think of a worse vehicle for Aaron Paul. I have to say I've always felt he was a bit overrated as an actor on BB - he's certainly fine but he doesn't hold a candle to Cranston, Gunn, Norris or Brandy IMO.

 

[chin311]

In case anyone is curious, here is the trailer for the new Aaron Paul movie, Need for Speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsrJWUVoXeM

I love BB and cars, and like video games, but this looks horrendous. I can hardly think of a worse vehicle for Aaron Paul. I have to say I've always felt he was a bit overrated as an actor on BB - he's certainly fine but he doesn't hold a candle to Cranston, Gunn, Norris or Brandy IMO.

Haha I saw that on reddit and WOW does that movie look terrible. I like Aaron Paul but IMO he is not the lead actor type for some action movie. But I agree Cranston is the best of them all.

 

[AdamK47]

Aaron is a great actor on Breaking Bad. Not so great in the movie "The Last House on the Left". There was some pretty bad acting during some scenes.

 

[boomhower]

I think charges would have already filed, and it would go to a grand jury for an indictment to see if it goes to trial.

I think it varies in some states. My state works like you posted. Grand Jury is after they've been charged.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You and the others holding to the "he's not mad at Gretchen and Elliott" theory desperately need to go back and re-watch the bar scene. And for that matter, watch the entire series again.

1) Walt knew Todd was trying to cook blue meth. Hell, Walt taught him. He was fine with that.

2) Walt was in a rage BEFORE the TV interview got to the part of the blue meth return. Watch his face, his shoulders moving forward, his clenched jaw, his fist tightening. All of that was attributable to them dismissing him and his contributions. The timing was clear.

3) Have you been paying attention through 5 seasons? Walt ALWAYS demands credit for his work. Always. "Say my name!", Telling Hank that Gale was not the mastermind and that someone much smarter than him was still out there, etc.

His ego was bruised and THAT is what got him off that bar stool. While he will almost certainly clear up other loose ends and attack the Aryans when he's back in town, that interview is what lit the fire. Not the meth news, the dismissal of his work.

Dude.

Take.

A.

Breath.

It's just a TV show.

First of all, I didn't say anything whatsoever about Walt not being mad at the Schwartzes. It has been made clear from the time that storyline began that he harbors some serious resentment and anger about the situation (and in typical Walt fashion he refuses to acknowledge it was purely his own fault).

Second, I mentioned it as a "possible" angle and that the blue meth could be "part, or most" of his reason for returning. That doesn't imply that he won't also take out the Schwartzes in the process and I believe he will, as I stated in a previous post shortly after the last episode aired.

Third, I've watched every single episode of BB at least twice and the last episode I watched 3 times. I can assure you I am every bit as up on the details and nuances of BB as you seem to believe you are.

Last of all, one thing I've learned watching BB is expect the unexpected. Hopefully the final episode doesn't disappoint in that respect. Anyone who believes they know what is going to happen is a fool.

 

[Udgnim]

watching the BB marathon

guess I didn't remember this, but Skyler tells her divorce lawyer that Walt cooks meth

guess the lawyer kept her mouth shut

 

[Daaavo]

I'm starting to think that Gretchen and Elliott are going to get a ricin filled letter for their "betrayal".

 

[Lifted]

watching the BB marathon

guess I didn't remember this, but Skyler tells her divorce lawyer that Walt cooks meth

guess the lawyer kept her mouth shut

Since we're revisiting history, there's one thing that always bothered me. Basically it's the one time I can remember where the writers dropped the ball in a WTF kind of way.

Hank had that map showing the blue meth was everywhere around NM, but not in NM. This was once Walt started cooking for Gus, and Gus didn't want to draw any attention to himself.

Now fast forward to Jesse meeting Andrea and her younger brother killing Combo. At this point, not only is Gus selling the blue meth right in the middle of Albuquerque, but he's meeting face to face with the street level dealers selling teenths who work for him and know who he is?

What happened to his 20 years of setting up a massive distribution network, laying low, and not drawing attention to himself? Besides that the writing has been as tight as it gets.