Breaking- Church shooting in TX

[woolfe9998]

His discharge was evidently due to domestic violence, assaulting his wife and child:

http://www.newser.com/story/251153/texas-mass-shooting-suspect-was-kicked-out-of-air-force.html

Which is interesting, because domestic violence is the single most reliable predictor of a mass murderer:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...mass-shootings-james-hodgkinson-steve-scalise
http://www.npr.org/2017/10/07/55640...-between-domestic-violence-and-mass-shootings

 

[Muse]

If only there was some common factor in mass shootings. Sympathy for those affected for all the good it does them.

Duh, the common factor is easy access to killing machines, i.e. firearms. How many of these does it take before America gets the message?

 

[Muse]

No. If your proposal were accurate, Europe would be awash in such events and the US would rarely have them.

The problem is Guns.

Bingo. All these people against gun control are in denial.

 

[Muse]

He’s reportedly white, so that means he’s not a terrorist, just your average white guy who developed mental problems will be my guess.

Not your idea of a terrorist, but that's a mental disorder in its own right. The Columbine shooters were white, but they were certainly terrorists, just not with the political agenda you have in mind when you label someone a terrorist. It's the guns. If people didn't have access to guns this shit wouldn't be happening. Is it still possible to have mass murders without guns, sure, but it's way way way more difficult and they would be very rare compared to what's happening all the time in America now.

Some day, in 500 years, people are going to look back on us and think we were lunatics with our gun fetishes.

 

[ivwshane]

His discharge was evidently due to domestic violence, assaulting his wife and child:

http://www.newser.com/story/251153/texas-mass-shooting-suspect-was-kicked-out-of-air-force.html

Which is interesting, because domestic violence is the single most reliable predictor of a mass murderer:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...mass-shootings-james-hodgkinson-steve-scalise
http://www.npr.org/2017/10/07/55640...-between-domestic-violence-and-mass-shootings

So now we have a common trait, do you think that means we can have some meaningful legislation? I'm going to say no.

Semi related to the topic.

One trait that is very common with mass shooter types is domestic violence or the need to dominate women and their preference for a "traditional" marriage where the woman is subservient to the man.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/07/55640...-between-domestic-violence-and-mass-shootings

 

[woolfe9998]

So now we have a common trait, do you think that means we can have some meaningful legislation? I'm going to say no.

I wasn't aware of this, but it's already illegal under federal law to sell guns or ammo to someone with a domestic violence conviction, including misdemeanors. I wonder if we're going to find that this shooter bought his gun from a private party, like at a gun show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

 

[spacejamz]

Bingo. All these people against gun control are in denial.

Please provide the method in which criminals and gangsters will voluntarily turn in ALL of their weapons...Until then, how can you expect law abiding citizens to protect themselves, their family and their homes from these shitbags in situations where seconds count and the police are minutes away?

I am still laughing at a previous thread where someone wanted the NRA to pay for tracking devices on all guns....

 

[Svnla]

A neighbor nears the church with a gun intervened and the shooter ran away and then allegedly shot himself dead.

 

[alien42]

Please provide the method in which criminals and gangsters will voluntarily turn in ALL of their weapons...Until then, how can you expect law abiding citizens to protect themselves, their family and their homes from these shitbags in situations where seconds count and the police are minutes away?

I am still laughing at a previous thread where someone wanted the NRA to pay for tracking devices on all guns....

i am 42 years old, have lived much of my life in the city, in areas you would likely consider ghetto, yet i have never had a gun pulled on me, not even once.

sounds like you live a life of irrational fear.

 

[shortylickens]

Please provide the method in which criminals and gangsters will voluntarily turn in ALL of their weapons...Until then, how can you expect law abiding citizens to protect themselves, their family and their homes from these shitbags in situations where seconds count and the police are minutes away?

I am still laughing at a previous thread where someone wanted the NRA to pay for tracking devices on all guns....

I think you might not have noticed but most of the recent shootings have been committed by people with no criminal records who acquired the guns legally. Thats actually a good argument FOR the banning of guns regardless of someones background.

 

[shortylickens]

i am 42 years old, have lived much of my life in the city, in areas you would likely consider ghetto, yet i have never had a gun pulled on me, not even once.

sounds like you live a life of irrational fear.

I am 38. When I was 35 years old and in a suburb most people would consider "safe" and a nut job followed me to a dark secluded place & threatened to kill me. He wasnt kidding. He already did time for manslaughter.
I pulled my gun on him and shot once. He left me alone, because he was a coward and looking for an easy target, which he assumed I was because I'm short and not at all dangerous-looking. He didnt know that a lot of males over 21 in Northern Virginia are licensed to carry a concealed weapon.

See? Anecdotal evidence is not a great argument is it? You need to look at the whole situation.

If you're curious, his name is Christopher Keith Dunham and his convictions were mostly from Georgia. Go look him up. White guy with shaved head and neck tattoo. Manslaughter, assault, resisting arrest, striking a police officer, various child abuse charges. He's not made up. The guy is real. He threatened my life. He could have killed me. I was alone. I am grateful I had the right to defend myself.

 

[BoomerD]

Because... first rule of Gunnutters: Find the most ridiculous cause possible, feel strongly enough about it then shoot away in the general direction of said cause.

I meeean, that may be the entirety of their rules because anything more would set in to action, thought and who needs it?!

Oh...hell...I've never been a gunnutter...but have probably killed more people than MOST of the forum combined...(yeah, I know...there are a few other war pigs here who have "done the deed" for Uncle)

I guess for me, it's the "people who piss me off" portion of the quote that allows me to fill my monthly quota...usually by the 5th of the month.

 

[spacejamz]

I think you might not have noticed but most of the recent shootings have been committed by people with no criminal records who acquired the guns legally. Thats actually a good argument FOR the banning of guns regardless of someones background.

Please answer my question...

How are you going to get the guns out the hands of criminals who have no problem breaking the law? Liberals are always spouting the numbers of those who are murdered by guns and the majority of those homicides are criminal gang members. So please tell us how you are going to the guns out of their hands? If you can do this, I am pretty sure those numbers that that are constantly being spouted will do down dramatically since those gang bangers wont be able to shoot each other anymore....

Do you think they will turn in guns to a buy back program? or they will be scared that of laws that make guns illegal?

 

[senseamp]

Guys, we don't need gun control. This is fine.

 

[bradly1101]

5% of the towns population was killed in that shooting. Another 5 injured. Basically if you live there you lost a family member, close friend or next door neighbour, statistically speaking.

Wow. That must make for awesome getogethers, and great source of support for the relatively few who survived. Beside the small population, churches wisely and widely congregate people from all over town. Resilience seems to be the only option.

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[Jaskalas]

His discharge was evidently due to domestic violence, assaulting his wife and child:

http://www.newser.com/story/251153/texas-mass-shooting-suspect-was-kicked-out-of-air-force.html

I thought a person could not own a firearm after domestic violence?

 

[woolfe9998]

I thought a person could not own a firearm after domestic violence?

Yes, I said that with an explanatory link in my post which follows the one you responded to.

 

[mindless1]

Duh, the common factor is easy access to killing machines, i.e. firearms. How many of these does it take before America gets the message?

I am not in favor of crippling the ability of a person to slaughter everyone around them.

Sometimes that is what needs to happen, but that is not this kind of situation. That's a world apocalypse scenario.

The message should be that we need to stop being so politically correct, that it's okay to beat the shit out of someone if they deserve it, instead of festering anger inside until it's taken out on innocent people. Granted, the larger problem is mentally ill people who strike out at society instead of only those who wronged them.

I'm quite in support of someone blowing the head off of someone who wronged them if it was a bad enough offense that the person is willing to die or suffer in prison the rest of their life for it. If someone has screwed you so bad that you're willing to make that concession, I'll give you some guns if it helps.

Problem is, mentally ill people have access too. Maybe we need some smarts in firearms and a more aggressive mental illness screening program so no matter who owns a gun, you have to be "sane" to fire it.

Guns are a necessary tool, but one that should not be used until it's a last resort. If you want to take them away from citizens then let's take them away from the military too because we assume you, as an individual, are less responsible than some 18 year old grunt in the military following orders from some 20 year old grunt.

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are more capable of deciding when to use a firearm than the average 18 year old kid in (any) military.

 

[evident]

I said this in another post but I've really been thinking about the concept most americans think about as "Freedom" after all these shootings. What the hell does it really mean anymore? Freedom to buy and use guns, but worry about being shot when in public?

 

[bradly1101]

Guys, we don't need gun control. This is fine.

It's possibility seems more remote strangely with every shooting. Fear is some powerful motivation as is hunting apparently. With the military and the 2nd amd., mfrs. have a quad-fecta. All corners are covered.

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[Jaskalas]

Freedom to buy and use guns, but worry about being shot when in public?

We ALREADY fear that, hence the guns.
If the people of that Church were mostly armed, a few would have died... the rest would have put down the threat. It's simple logic and MANY people subscribe to that exact train of thought. How do you propose they survive that scenario otherwise?

 

[Younigue]

I wasn't aware of this, but it's already illegal under federal law to sell guns or ammo to someone with a domestic violence conviction, including misdemeanors. I wonder if we're going to find that this shooter bought his gun from a private party, like at a gun show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

I thought it was only some States and not really policed or enforced.

 

[Phokus]

I'm sure this is being posted thousands of times over the interwebs right now

 

[greatnoob]

Citation requested. (No Russian sources please)

They're the talking points the_donald's mentally defunct followers have decided to shit out. Evidence? Literally anecdotes of some random guy saying "I know him he is antifa" and because he had a beard once (lol).

You can't make this shit up -- unless of course you're a conservatard, then by all means shit out whatever fairy tale you want because evidence not required!

T_D comments like this are the norm:

MSM is brainwashing kids into wanting to kill trump and commit other acts of violence. The alt-left's violence needs to stop. Antifa is a terrorist group. Hollywood is ISIS. CNN is ISIS. Its all fucked.

The mental gymnastics.... unreal!

 

[Younigue]

I am not in favor of crippling the ability of a person to slaughter everyone around them.

Sometimes that is what needs to happen, but that is not this kind of situation. That's a world apocalypse scenario.

The message should be that we need to stop being so politically correct, that it's okay to beat the shit out of someone if they deserve it, instead of festering anger inside until it's taken out on innocent people. Granted, the larger problem is mentally ill people who strike out at society instead of only those who wronged them.

I'm quite in support of someone blowing the head off of someone who wronged them if it was a bad enough offense that the person is willing to die or suffer in prison the rest of their life for it. If someone has screwed you so bad that you're willing to make that concession, I'll give you some guns if it helps.

Problem is, mentally ill people have access too. Maybe we need some smarts in firearms and a more aggressive mental illness screening program so no matter who owns a gun, you have to be "sane" to fire it.

Guns are a necessary tool, but one that should not be used until it's a last resort. If you want to take them away from citizens then let's take them away from the military too because we assume you, as an individual, are less responsible than some 18 year old grunt in the military following orders from some 20 year old grunt.

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are more capable of deciding when to use a firearm than the average 18 year old kid in (any) military.

You are truly mindless in that like so many, too many, you think a thought and stop.

Civilians don't need guns.

You've certainly fantasized a shoot'em up reality.
~You're missing a sock, the neighbor took it, the offense is so outstandingly egregious by your standard/code of decent human co-existence ya just gotta kill'em!

These people live in constant fear of what about the other guy that we've created a country that's full of too many weak-minded horror-movie-bimbos who can't/won't get out of their own way. The only thing she hasn't done is send the killer a personalized invitation to kill her.