Breaking- Church shooting in TX

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ivwshane

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Got news for you. Cops aren't that great at shooting either. A lot of them are worst than the 'gun nuts' because a lot of 'gun nuts' go to the range a lot but many cops only go once a year to qualify.

Then by your own admission it sounds like guns in general make for a poor defense. Checkmate
 

bradly1101

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As I said in another thread: [also how does the church know if the good guy with a gun is always a good guy (hence the no gun policy)]?

  • "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... "
    -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)
How do we differentiate "peaceable citizens" from the violent or the deranged (outside of the limited use of background checks with their own limitations to predict future behavior)?
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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You got a plan to get them out of the hands of criminals?
Guns not put to use aren't much of a threat. I am willing to lessen penalties for non violent drug offenders and stiffen penalties for anyone who so much as brandishes a gun.

Buy back programs tend to work.

I would also make gun mabufacturers liable for how people use their products.

There are many options.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Do you have a letter from the shooter that stated he was just about to leave peacefully or kill himself and no one else after he did the shooting? I want to see it.

See? I can play the same stupid game as you.
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lol. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT, you god damn knumbskull! You have nothing. No one has anything but supposition. Stop pretending otherwise. Frankly, I'm surprised you managed to glean the first logical point that has probably wormed its way into your brain without leaking out the other side!
 

Bird222

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Then by your own admission it sounds like guns in general make for a poor defense. Checkmate
Well then SWAT, the Secret Service, etc should stop using guns. Oh that's right we still have criminals out there that still use guns.
 

Bird222

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Guns not put to use aren't much of a threat. I am willing to lessen penalties for non violent drug offenders and stiffen penalties for anyone who so much as brandishes a gun.

Buy back programs tend to work.

I would also make gun mabufacturers liable for how people use their products.

There are many options.

So it's the people that's the problem then.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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Question, you're in church and someone starts to shoot; would you rather have someone at the church armed to return fire or wait on LE to get there?

Question man walks into a church with a gun "our hero" sees the gunman fires but the guman is wearing body armor and gunman shoots our hero dead. what next?
 

Bird222

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Question man walks into a church with a gun "our hero" sees the gunman fires but the guman is wearing body armor and gunman shoots our hero dead. what next?
Well I guess you're screwed. Nothing is a guarantee but you try to move the odds in your favor.
 

Bird222

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I assume then, that you have data that shows your odds are improved in your favor if you have a gun?
Check
Can't say I have data at the ready, but common sense tells me that my odds are better against a shooter if I'm armed too. I'd rather not be sitting duck.
 

ivwshane

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Can't say I have data at the ready, but common sense tells me that my odds are better against a shooter if I'm armed too. I'd rather not be sitting duck.

So no you don't have any data except the feels. Check mate.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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lol. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT, you god damn knumbskull! You have nothing. No one has anything but supposition. Stop pretending otherwise. Frankly, I'm surprised you managed to glean the first logical point that has probably wormed its way into your brain without leaking out the other side!

Other posters asked me where did I get the statement about the old guy from. I provided the link with statements from the Sheriff, therefore, I fulfilled my end of debating while you have what?????? Tell me again. What the hell do you have? See the main difference yet? Take your time.

Not only that, you have a long history posting of lying and accusations yet wimp out like a bitch. For example, where are the evidence that I was a Trump supporter as you claimed? Where are the pieces of evidence of other accusations from you about me? Anything at all? Funny I asked you more than one time in this thread and multiple times before and each and every single time, you wimp out like a lowlife bitch each. every. single. time. Zero exception.

You were talking about logic? More like a big lying mouth pathetic sore loser.
 
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SlowSpyder

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If the militia is well regulated, it is arguably drilling, training and proficient in the case of emergency...if only we had say a National Guard or Reservists to serve such a function

It is also arguably not those things. And for 240+ years, America has agreed with my side of the argument. Trying to pretend the 2A suddenly means something different today is laughable.
 
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Other posters asked me where did I the statement about the old guy from. I provided the link with statements from the Sheriff, therefore, I fulfilled my end of debating while you have?????? Tell me again? What the hell do you have? See the main difference yet? Take your time.

Not only that, you have a long history of lying and accusations yet wimp out like a bitch. For example, where are the evidence that I was a Trump supporter? Where are the pieces of evidence of other accusations from you about me? Anything at all? Funny I asked you more than one time in this thread and multiple times before and each and every single time, you wimp out like a lowlife bitch each. every. single. time.

You were talking about logic? More like a big lying mouth pathetic sore loser.


And you just come across as mentally damaged, and possibly deranged.
 

Bird222

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So no you don't have any data except the feels. Check mate.
I have to do what I think is right for me and I'm sure you do the same. But the bottom line for me is who should get to decide that for me, me or you? Question, if you find yourself in a violent situation (and I sincerely hope you don't) do you think you will still stand by your principles or will you have a sudden change of heart?
 

ivwshane

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I have to do what I think is right for me and I'm sure you do the same. But the bottom line for me is who should get to decide that for me, me or you? Question, if you find yourself in a violent situation (and I sincerely hope you don't) do you think you will still stand by your principles or will you have a sudden change of heart?

Except in your scenario you'd be the idiot wanna be hero and I'd be the innocent bystander. So if you doing what is right for you didn't affect anyone but yourself, I'd say more power to you but since that's not the case then keep your guns at your home where you can "feel" safe.
 
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