Breaking- Church shooting in TX

[Zaap]

lol. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT, you god damn knumbskull! You have nothing. No one has anything but supposition. Stop pretending otherwise. Frankly, I'm surprised you managed to glean the first logical point that has probably wormed its way into your brain without leaking out the other side!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-her-turn-to-die-then-outside-a-man-appeared/

Unfortunately for you and all the other lying shitbags on this, the Washington Post already let the cat out of the bag. Eyewitness testimony from someone there pretty sure the shooter wasn't finished when confronted ... a lie you leftist assholes have been regurgitating as an ass-pulled 'fact' all over the fucking web.

Knowing you, a stinking liar through and through, you'll keep on insisting 'no one has anything!' so you can keep spouting lies.

What kind of shitbag lies about someone who obviously saved a bunch of people's lives? Like your rotten ass has ever saved anyone's life.

I know you and your rotten turd accomplices will keep on with your lying. You've got an agenda and that's more important than facts... even when you have to contradict eye witnesses and discredit a brave individual who stood up for people.

But like a Lowlife would know anything about standing up for anything. Get back to whining about Himler hiding under your bed.

 

[Bird222]

Except in your scenario you'd be the idiot wanna be hero and I'd be the innocent bystander. So if you doing what is right for you didn't affect anyone but yourself, I'd say more power to you but since that's not the case then keep your guns at your home where you can "feel" safe.

Unless you're referring to some other post, my scenario doesn't have me involved. I asked about how strongly you felt about your position (which didn't get addressed btw but that's ok). And why I do I have to be an idiot? I'm starting to think nobody here can discuss something and be respectful of people they disagree with. Really sad.

 

[Paratus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-her-turn-to-die-then-outside-a-man-appeared/

Unfortunately for you and all the other lying shitbags on this, the Washington Post already let the cat out of the bag. Eyewitness testimony from someone there pretty sure the shooter wasn't finished when confronted ... a lie you leftist assholes have been regurgitating as an ass-pulled 'fact' all over the fucking web.

Knowing you, a stinking liar through and through, you'll keep on insisting 'no one has anything!' so you can keep spouting lies.

What kind of shitbag lies about someone who obviously saved a bunch of people's lives? Like your rotten ass has ever saved anyone's life.

I know you and your rotten turd accomplices will keep on with your lying. You've got an agenda and that's more important than facts... even when you have to contradict eye witnesses and discredit a brave individual who stood up for people.

But like a Lowlife would know anything about standing up for anything. Get back to whining about Himler hiding under your bed.

Damn dude always angry and spazzing out.

Sending you some Thoughts and Prayers!

 

[brycejones]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-her-turn-to-die-then-outside-a-man-appeared/

Unfortunately for you and all the other lying shitbags on this, the Washington Post already let the cat out of the bag. Eyewitness testimony from someone there pretty sure the shooter wasn't finished when confronted ... a lie you leftist assholes have been regurgitating as an ass-pulled 'fact' all over the fucking web.

Knowing you, a stinking liar through and through, you'll keep on insisting 'no one has anything!' so you can keep spouting lies.

What kind of shitbag lies about someone who obviously saved a bunch of people's lives? Like your rotten ass has ever saved anyone's life.

I know you and your rotten turd accomplices will keep on with your lying. You've got an agenda and that's more important than facts... even when you have to contradict eye witnesses and discredit a brave individual who stood up for people.

But like a Lowlife would know anything about standing up for anything. Get back to whining about Himler hiding under your bed.

Do you have anger management issues?

 

[Starbuck1975]

It is also arguably not those things. And for 240+ years, America has agreed with my side of the argument. Trying to pretend the 2A suddenly means something different today is laughable.

The NRA didn't become active as a lobbyist organization until 1975. 14 of the 15 worst mass shootings in American history occurred after that date.

 

[bshole]

The NRA didn't become active as a lobbyist organization until 1975. 14 of the 15 worst mass shootings in American history occurred after that date.

I actually remember when they were a decent organization.

 

[SlowSpyder]

lol. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT, you god damn knumbskull! You have nothing. No one has anything but supposition. Stop pretending otherwise. Frankly, I'm surprised you managed to glean the first logical point that has probably wormed its way into your brain without leaking out the other side!

The shooter got into a shootout with the good guy with a gun, they exchanged fire. This means the murderer still had ammo. Do you think he was turning over a new leaf all the sudden?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm sure that he must have been really tired after killing so many people and was probably headed home to take a nap. Shoot even more people? I'm sure it never crossed his mind. /s

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The shooter got into a shootout with the good guy with a gun, they exchanged fire. This means the murderer still had ammo. Do you think he was turning over a new leaf all the sudden?

Pretty sure he thinks that beyond that he has absolutely no idea what would have happened next. All he knows is to that point 46 people had already been shot. Now maybe he's looking at it based on just about every other similarly type of incident and knows that mass shooters like this don't move on to a new location. They flee or die.

Not a single one of us knows with any degree of certainty what would happen next. Honest I feel the fact they pursued the suspect was far more important. In his panic to get away he crashed and then blew his own head off.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Pretty sure he thinks that beyond that he has absolutely no idea what would have happened next. All he knows is to that point 46 people had already been shot. Now maybe he's looking at it based on just about every other similarly type of incident and knows that mass shooters like this don't move on to a new location. They flee or die.

Not a single one of us knows with any degree of certainty what would happen next. Honest I feel the fact they pursued the suspect was far more important. In his panic to get away he crashed and then blew his own head off.

Did you see the story posted by Zaap? I can't say what the guy was going to do next. What we do know is that he killed people by the dozens and was still armed and dangerous.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Did you see the story posted by Zaap? I can't say what the guy was going to do next. What we do know is that he killed people by the dozens and was still armed and dangerous.

Of course I saw it. Doesn't change a thing. Here's the point you guys seem to be missing. I think we all agree that it was a good thing these guys were there to step in. It's great he was able to injure him and slow him down. It's awesome they pursued him causing him to crash and ultimately take his own life.

It's self serving to glorify it and plainly state that he absolutely saved dozens/hundreds of lives. We don't know that. That's just twisting an unknowable to try and further our personal agendas. Both ways.

So when discussing it let's be honest. He killed a shit ton of people. He wasn't stopped from doing that. He might have done more, he might not have. We don't know. He was denied the opportunity to do more yes, absolutely, if that was in fact his intention. I still feel that the fact he was pursued was far more important than the shooting itself. Since he was clearly still mobile and armed even after being shot by the neighbor.

 

[Svnla]

Another day, another good guy with gun stopped multiple guys with guns that planned to kidnap his daughter and rob the house - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article183774201.html (some of you would say those guys with guns were just there to visit and exchange pleasantries and those guns were there just carry over from Halloween decorations.. )

Look at what happened when good people could not fight back - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...me-invasion-murders-10-years-later/483863001/

I know, I know. some of you would say...."but..but...but...Svnla, you do not know for sure the intention of those guys with guns, did you get any verbal or written statements directly from them in which they clearly state their intention or state of mind? If not, you have NOTHING...whatever the police/law enforcement/victims/eyewitnesses said were pure speculation".

Yup, nothing eh? Guys with guns can not be good, right? LOL.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Another day, another good guy with gun stopped multiple guys with guns that planned to kidnap his daughter and rob the house - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article183774201.html

Look at what happened when the good people could not find back - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...me-invasion-murders-10-years-later/483863001/

Yup, nothing eh? Guys with guns can not be good, right? LOL.

Certainly that first story will be all over the mainstream news and show guns in a positive light because there is no agenda. /s

 

[Bird222]

That won't help for a Glock 7.

Nobody watches Die Hard.

 

[bradly1101]

Can't say I have data at the ready, but common sense tells me that my odds are better against a shooter if I'm armed too. I'd rather not be sitting duck.

Living in fear all the time you're out is taxing, no? The tipping point has been reached, and it might be illogical not to have this fear. That is the way life should be in a sophisticated, modern society? Or is it the folly of assuming individual gun rights in a land that makes it so easy for bad guys to get guns? Something's screwy.

 

[bradly1101]

Another day, another good guy with gun stopped multiple guys with guns that planned to kidnap his daughter and rob the house - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article183774201.html

Look at what happened when the good people could not find back - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...me-invasion-murders-10-years-later/483863001/

Yup, nothing eh? Guys with guns can not be good, right? LOL.

That's not a concern (that there can be good guys with guns), although the more guns a good guy has the more likely he might sell to the non-vetted. The real concern is obviously bad guys with guns. How do we solve that? I hear "good shoot" a lot when someone gets injured or killed with a firearm, but lets remember that the vast majority are "bad shoots" when that happens.

 

[zinfamous]

The shooter got into a shootout with the good guy with a gun, they exchanged fire. This means the murderer still had ammo. Do you think he was turning over a new leaf all the sudden?

Yes, it is rather obvious from my posts that I fully believe the shooter instantly decided to turn over a new leaf and was simply heading to the next nearest church to pray away his sins, ask for forgiveness, and simply wait to be re-embraced into the sympathetic arms of gaslighted evangelical gun-nutters. Obviously, that is all I have been saying. He was robbed of his personal salvation from this other gunnutter that decided to take the law into his own hands.

 

[zinfamous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-her-turn-to-die-then-outside-a-man-appeared/

Unfortunately for you and all the other lying shitbags on this, the Washington Post already let the cat out of the bag. Eyewitness testimony from someone there pretty sure the shooter wasn't finished when confronted ... a lie you leftist assholes have been regurgitating as an ass-pulled 'fact' all over the fucking web.

Knowing you, a stinking liar through and through, you'll keep on insisting 'no one has anything!' so you can keep spouting lies.

What kind of shitbag lies about someone who obviously saved a bunch of people's lives? Like your rotten ass has ever saved anyone's life.

I know you and your rotten turd accomplices will keep on with your lying. You've got an agenda and that's more important than facts... even when you have to contradict eye witnesses and discredit a brave individual who stood up for people.

But like a Lowlife would know anything about standing up for anything. Get back to whining about Himler hiding under your bed.

I think you broke the trigger dial, bro. This guy would be jealous:

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yes, it is rather obvious from my posts that I fully believe the shooter instantly decided to turn over a new leaf and was simply heading to the next nearest church to pray away his sins, ask for forgiveness, and simply wait to be re-embraced into the sympathetic arms of gaslighted evangelical gun-nutters. Obviously, that is all I have been saying. He was robbed of his personal salvation from this other gunnutter that decided to take the law into his own hands.

 

[Zaap]

Zin I called you out for being an asshole lying about someone who risked their life to save others. And you are. Both a liar about this when you kept insisting things you couldn't possibly have known, and an asshole for trying desperately to discredit someone (which you're still attempting to do in your backhanded little way) who did a courageous thing vs. you always taking the coward route.

And you know you are. Your ilk pretends to do battle against mostly imaginary enemies. You like to imagine evil and then falsely accuse others of it so you can pretend to be a victim.

This person stepped up and took on an evil person in reality. No wonder you and other cowards wish if weren't so and try desperately to discredit. It stands in stark contrast to your cowardice. Once more... own it.

 

[Paratus]

Another day, another good guy with gun stopped multiple guys with guns that planned to kidnap his daughter and rob the house - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article183774201.html (some of you would say those guys with guns were just there to visit and exchange pleasantries and those guns were there just carry over from Halloween decorations.. )

Look at what happened when good people could not fight back - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...me-invasion-murders-10-years-later/483863001/

I know, I know. some of you would say...."but..but...but...Svnla, you do not know for sure the intention of those guys with guns, did you get any verbal or written statements directly from them in which they clearly state their intention or state of mind? If not, you have NOTHING...whatever the police/law enforcement/victims/eyewitnesses said were pure speculation".

Yup, nothing eh? Guys with guns can not be good, right? LOL.

Another day and another friend accidentally shot and killed.

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/man-kills-friend-in-accidental-shooting

I know I know some of you would say.... “but but but Paratus he didn’t buy the gun to keep his friend safe he bought it to keep himself safe and he didn’t shoot himself!”

Maybe just maybe owning a weapon opens you up to way more outcomes than, “I’ll shoot the bad guys and be hero when not if when they attack”.

 

[brianmanahan]

Another day and another friend accidentally shot and killed.

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/man-kills-friend-in-accidental-shooting

just looking at the front page of that site, it looks like things are nice and safe there

 

[Svnla]

Another day and another friend accidentally shot and killed.

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/man-kills-friend-in-accidental-shooting

I know I know some of you would say.... “but but but Paratus he didn’t buy the gun to keep his friend safe he bought it to keep himself safe and he didn’t shoot himself!”

Maybe just maybe owning a weapon opens you up to way more outcomes than, “I’ll shoot the bad guys and be hero when not if when they attack”.

Funny how you did NOT see this from your own link. Just honest mistake, right?

he began handling a gun that he thought was unloaded.

What are the cardinal rules of properly handle gun? Here you go = http://www.springfield-armory.com/resources/safety/

Keep the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.

Keep your finger off of the trigger until ready to shoot.

Scroll up and you see my posts about more training and more testing for competency/accuracy/safe handling of guns/mental health.

But of course, you just "forgot", right?

Spin baby spin.

 

[Paratus]

I think you broke the trigger dial, bro. This guy would be jealous:

It’s absolutely fucking amazing they keep missing the fact that you are pointing out no one knows for certain what would have happened if the shooter hadn’t been confronted.

So Trumps comments about him saving hundreds more was complete 100% NRA approved bullshit. Hell why did he only stop the shooter from killing hundred more. Why not millions? Maybe he’d still be killing his way across the country right now!

The guy who stopped him was a hero and risked his life to do so. He likely prevented more deaths. Most likely less than 5, possibly none, possibly more but no one knows.

 

[Paratus]

Scroll up and you see my posts about more training and more testing for competency/accuracy/safe handling of guns.

But of course, you just "forgot", right?

Training and competency testing are great. I agree.

They won’t completely stop fatal mistakes but would be an excellent start at reducing accidental shootings

I haven’t seen anyone argue that it’s impossible that sometimes a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy. Not even Zin.

I’m saying there’s a significant cost to arming enough people that a good guy with a gun actually makes a positive difference.