See my edit with new link, quote (especially about how to handle a gun properly) and info.
Do you own a gun? Yes or No before I answer further.
Training and competency testing are great. I agree.
They won’t completely stop fatal mistakes but would be an excellent start at reducing accidental shootings
I haven’t seen anyone argue that it’s impossible that sometimes a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy. Not even Zin.
I’m saying there’s a significant cost to arming enough people that a good guy with a gun actually makes a positive difference.
So would more firearms or less be the way to go?just looking at the front page of that site, it looks like things are nice and safe there
NoDo you own a gun? Yes or No before I answer further.
......he began handling a gun that he thought was unloaded.
Zin I called you out for being an asshole lying about someone who risked their life to save others. And you are. Both a liar about this when you kept insisting things you couldn't possibly have known, and an asshole for trying desperately to discredit someone (which you're still attempting to do in your backhanded little way) who did a courageous thing vs. you always taking the coward route.
And you know you are. Your ilk pretends to do battle against mostly imaginary enemies. You like to imagine evil and then falsely accuse others of it so you can pretend to be a victim.
This person stepped up and took on an evil person in reality. No wonder you and other cowards wish if weren't so and try desperately to discredit. It stands in stark contrast to your cowardice. Once more... own it.
Thank you for your honest answer and not wimp out like certain posters. Thumb up. I do not need to say anything further.
One more thing, can you or anyone post a link or two about any shooting that happened because (or even with) properly handling of gun (see my link above about how to handle a gun properly, heck here is another one - http://www.magtechammunition.com/resources/safety-university/nra-gun-safety/ ) and not something like this from the story you just posted?
Or leave the loaded gun on the table with young kids around or pointed at someone because he/she thought the gun was not loaded or shoot at someone/something before identify the target correctly (remember that "Blade Runner" from South Africa that shot his girlfriend even she was behind a door?)..etc.
I like to see a link or two about guns just went off for no reason.
I’ll let someone else look for that because for my point a person needs to be involved.
People & guns are the problem not guns alone.
At my particular place of employment we spend millions on training, simulations, and certifications to reduce human error. The right error at the wrong time could lead to loss of crew or $$$$$ damage.
If I remember the numbers right 99.998% of the time our operations are error free. Notice it’s still not 100% despite the massive effort to make no mistakes. This is because even the most highly trained and conscientious person can and will make a mistake eventually.
If we apply that 99.998% error free percentage to owning a weapon it basically means on average a highly trained individual will make 1 error like leaving your weapon unattended or not realizing it’s loaded every 5000 times they handle a weapon. You might hit 5000 times in a lifetime if you only handle a gun one 1 or 2 times a week or in less than 10 years if you conceal carry every day.
Some obvious caveats:
My basic point is those people you refer to as not handling their weapons properly, those are all gun owners at some point or another. For most their mistake won’t cost anyone anything for some it will be catastrophic.
- Making an error like leaving a loaded weapon unattended does not mean something catastrophic must happen
- Some gun owners probably are trained in safety as well as we are at our job
- Most however are not so they will be making errors at a higher rate
He literally does not understand you. It's really that simple. He does not understand logic. Don't bother.We do? What was the extent of his injury before he got in his car and drove away?
We know someone shot him. We don't know if he stopped anything else from happening as anything beyond that is an assumption of what his intent is next. As far as we know he was done. It would fit the norm of these types of events. In that case nothing was stopped.
You think it's a wise "pro gun" argument to remind us that even trained police officers are, generally, awful marksmen in action...?Got news for you. Cops aren't that great at shooting either. A lot of them are worst than the 'gun nuts' because a lot of 'gun nuts' go to the range a lot but many cops only go once a year to qualify.
It's not about pinpoint marksmanship in that situation. It's about ability to respond in the situation. I'm sorry but billy bob who hits the range now and then has no idea what to do in that type of situation.You think it's a wise "pro gun" argument to remind us that even trained police officers are, generally, awful marksmen in action...?
Exactly my point. It's absurd.It's not about pinpoint marksmanship in that situation. It's about ability to respond in the situation. I'm sorry but billy bob who hits the range now and then has no idea what to do in that type of situation.
Alex Jones: Texas church shooter was "mind controlled" by "the deep state."
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...ck-while-under-mind-control-deep-state/218489
Millions of conservatives listen to this man...
Alex Jones: Texas church shooter was "mind controlled" by "the deep state."
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...ck-while-under-mind-control-deep-state/218489
Millions of conservatives listen to this man...
They aren't conservatives. Conservatives stand for small government and family values and country before party.
hes got some supplements that will help you see things his way.Alex Jones: Texas church shooter was "mind controlled" by "the deep state."
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...ck-while-under-mind-control-deep-state/218489
Millions of conservatives listen to this man...
Do you own a gun? Yes or No before I answer further.
Good thing that Alex Jones has brain tonics to sell to people that prevents them from easy mind control and thus shooting up innocent people. You know, because that's what it takes to stay reasonable.
Whatever you say. Not very many people on the right could be described that way any more.
Exactly! Which is why it's important to distinguish between the two. I would welcome more conservatives instead of alienate them. They are an endangered species.
Great. When I finally see one, I'll make sure to be cordial.
Video of the end of the Texas shooter pursuit. Sounds like the guy who stopped this mad man had to get to his safe to get his gun, slowing down his actions. Pretty amazing video, you can see how full of adrenaline he must be. The reality of what just happened was probably settling in. Guess he used an AR15 to stop the guy, too.
Sounds like? he must be? Probably? Guess he? So you sure about all that?
Seriously this what gets you excited, a blurry picture and a beer gut?
To be correct, he did not stop a mass murderer, he intervened in a mass murder.No matter which side of the gun debate you are on, I think this is an intriguing video. The guy stopped a mass murderer and you're focused on his gut.