BREAKING: FLYNN MIGHT NOW BE A COOPERATING WITNESS FOR THE FBI

[woolfe9998]

OK, after googling around, I think I have a handle on how this rumor got started, and how much stock to put in it. Juliette Kayyam, a foreign policy expert, appeared on Don Lemon's show on CNN. On the show, she said that her sources believe that Flynn "may" have made a deal with the FBI, based primarily on the fact that the other three people under suspicion have all voluntarily agreed to testify. They are just assuming this. It's an inference; it isn't based on actual knowledge. Kayyam herself posted to Facebook afterwards clarifying that is what she meant, but the original segment is clear enough. She used the word "may." Seth Abramson also used the word "may" in the linked tweet. The "may" doesn't refer to the uncertain credibility of her sources. It refers to the fact that the sources are actually guessing.

This is a conservative source and quite biased, but the video and facebook post are in it:

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...flynn-flipping-to-fbi-promptly-walks-it-back/

This is looking more like an educated guess than even a rumor right now.

I do find it curious that Flynn has not publicly agreed to testify yet. Sounds like a big stretch to assume this is the reason. We'll see.

 

[cytg111]

The oligarchs and plutocrats in the USA of whom are exactly like Trump are trying to overcome the sanctions we have placed on Russia because they see yuge profits to be made there and in return Russia sees a yuge opportunity to dismantle the western nation's unity that Russia (Vlad Putin) sees as a threat. Backdoor deals have been going on for the longest time between our own very wealthy and their counterparts in Russia since the downfall of the USSR but they want to make those exorbitant profits that sanctions are now restricting. It's the exact same thing that our very wealthy are doing here at home irt their desire to dismantle every single regulatory agency that sitfles (sanctions) their ability to rake in as much profit as possible, consequences be damned.

If there ever was a singular motivation that would bring Russia and the West together, it would be our/their very wealthy's insatiable urge to squeeze more profit out of its peoples and especially so the treasuries that the people's tax $$$ pay into. That urge, through our very own POTUS, has now even superseded the requirement for our nation to provide the security it needs to survive.

Trump wants "better relations" with Putin simply because it's good for the businesses he owns, as seen by the deals he's already made with the Russians pre-presidency, and he now wants to use his position as POTUS to release the restraints those sanctions imposed on Russia by, of all people, "Obama the Commie loving Socialist".

The irony in that is pure tragi-comedy in form and function. As well, Trump's supporters apparently approve of his behavior through their utter and complete silence over the controversy Trump has elicited from his behavior and actions in this regard.

You know, maybe we should set off a little propaganda skirmish ourselves.. for the people and by the people. I am sure there is a lot of regular russian folk that thinks just like us, fuck this conflict shite just cause richer wants richer.. we want peace!

edit: I want to thank you for a lengthy thoroughly informative post. I enjoyed reading it.

 

[emperus]

Not really, a quick summary. Off the top of my head, there is:

1) Allegations of Russia manipulating the election
2) Allegations of Trump's team conversing with Russia, denying it, then having to admit some, one head rolled IIRC.
3) Pee pee tape (I can't remember what other bits came from the same source)

I can't even remember who Mike Flynn is supposed to be. Except on point 2, IIRC not sure anything solid has come to light. The problem is, I get bombarded on FB with a lot of fluff articles from one person, every one claiming something is a huge development when actually it's more opinion and fluff.



A little bit of an exaggeration, doncha think. Asking for the entire history of Germany is similar to what you're suggesting, asking for a quick summary of WW2 on the other hand is not; I'm pretty sure most people here could sum up WW2 in one or up to several paragraphs if they wanted to.

There is so much more to the story than that. It's pretty interesting and pretty crazy at the same time. If you do care, I would google it and try to find some good sources. There are some things that mainstream sources are reporting based on credible reports and then things that have been claimed and either are not accurate or not fully corroborated (like the Russian Dossier, which details alleged communication and quid pro quo arrangements for help in the Elections between the Russians and Trump. People are reporting the FBI is finding consistencies in some of its allegations and are still trying to corroborate the rest).

The main gist is that this week the FBI admitted there is an open criminal investigation into whether there was collusion between Russia and the Trump Campaign in Russia's attempt to manipulate our elections.

An FYI, Russia manipulating the election is no longer an allegation. Our Intelligence agencies agree with a high degree of certainty that they did attempt to manipulate our elections and they were behind the hacking and release of Hillary Clinton Campaigns emails.

 

[TheVrolok]

Interesting to watch the responses to this rumour vs. Napolitano claiming Obama used the British to spy on Trump. Really illustrates the difference between left and right.

So absolutely true

 

[pcgeek11]

This was rather entertaining in a funny sort of way. :|

 

[norseamd]

A little bit of an exaggeration, doncha think. Asking for the entire history of Germany is similar to what you're suggesting, asking for a quick summary of WW2 on the other hand is not; I'm pretty sure most people here could sum up WW2 in one or up to several paragraphs if they wanted to.

Actually all 3 really arent all that different, and all 3 basically represent what I was trying to imply. You can write a basic history for Germany about as easily as a basic history of WW2, obviously explaining "everything" would be a bit different.

I guess I was confused, since your question was rather vague, and I wasnt sure if you meant the connections between Flynn and Russia, or the connections between Trump and his entire team and Russia.

Anyways you really cant entirely separate out Flynn from the rest of the Trump team, there are many different connections, its a huge spiderweb of links.

Flynn was the former National Security Advisor, his first rise to prominence was in the Afghanistan War, with his first major public office being the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, where he was generally an inane incompetant douchebag, and IIRC he was actually fired, or forced to resign. After that he immediately jumped into the political ring, and eventually he ended up in the Trump campaign.

 

[norseamd]

OK, after googling around, I think I have a handle on how this rumor got started, and how much stock to put in it. Juliette Kayyam, a foreign policy expert, appeared on Don Lemon's show on CNN. On the show, she said that her sources believe that Flynn "may" have made a deal with the FBI, based primarily on the fact that the other three people under suspicion have all voluntarily agreed to testify. They are just assuming this. It's an inference; it isn't based on actual knowledge. Kayyam herself posted to Facebook afterwards clarifying that is what she meant, but the original segment is clear enough. She used the word "may." Seth Abramson also used the word "may" in the linked tweet. The "may" doesn't refer to the uncertain credibility of her sources. It refers to the fact that the sources are actually guessing.

This is a conservative source and quite biased, but the video and facebook post are in it:

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...flynn-flipping-to-fbi-promptly-walks-it-back/

This is looking more like an educated guess than even a rumor right now.

I do find it curious that Flynn has not publicly agreed to testify yet. Sounds like a big stretch to assume this is the reason. We'll see.

Its definitely an educated guess, and definitely not some cooked up baseless rumor, but we have no idea what the real truth is yet.

 

[soundforbjt]

Actually all 3 really arent all that different, and all 3 basically represent what I was trying to imply. You can write a basic history for Germany about as easily as a basic history of WW2, obviously explaining "everything" would be a bit different.

I guess I was confused, since your question was rather vague, and I wasnt sure if you meant the connections between Flynn and Russia, or the connections between Trump and his entire team and Russia.

Anyways you really cant entirely separate out Flynn from the rest of the Trump team, there are many different connections, its a huge spiderweb of links.

Flynn was the former National Security Advisor, his first rise to prominence was in the Afghanistan War, with his first major public office being the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, where he was generally an inane incompetant douchebag, and IIRC he was actually fired, or forced to resign. After that he immediately jumped into the political ring, and eventually he ended up in the Trump campaign.

Before Trump, Flynn was also a contributor/"expert" on Fox News.

 

[HTFOff]

 

[agent00f]

This thread is a pretty good example of what you & peers are mentally incapable of.

Really smart people minimize errors, smart people catch their errors and correct for them, then we have conservatives.

 

[Thump553]

It's possible, I'll say that. The guy is facing some real jail time and they have him dead to rights on several substantial matters. Question No. 1 is whether the Sessions/Trump Justice Dept will give him a free pass for political reasons and refuse to charge. Question No. 2 is whether he he will actually flip. He seems to me like a clone of Oliver North-who made a very successful career out of his stonewalling justice.

 

[soundforbjt]

It's possible, I'll say that. The guy is facing some real jail time and they have him dead to rights on several substantial matters. Question No. 1 is whether the Sessions/Trump Justice Dept will give him a free pass for political reasons and refuse to charge. Question No. 2 is whether he he will actually flip. He seems to me like a clone of Oliver North-who made a very successful career out of his stonewalling justice.

He already had a gig at fox, I'm sure they'll welcome him with open arms or there's always Breitbart.

 

[soundforbjt]

Flynn agrees to testify under immunity from prosecution!

https://www.wsj.com/

 

[norseamd]

Yep, just came here to post it myself.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

 

[woolfe9998]

Flynn agrees to testify under immunity from prosecution!

https://www.wsj.com/

Yeah, it's anonymously sourced like the Kayyam statement which started the thread, but the difference this time is that the sources are not said be guessing. They are said to have actual knowledge of this.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959

Also, it seems the WSJ asked Flynn's lawyer to comment on this, and he declined to do so. You'd think he'd deny it if it wasn't true.

 

[First]

Oh snap. For those too lazy to click on WSJ link:

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity
Former national security adviser tells FBI, the House and Senate intelligence committees he’s willing to be interviewed in exchange for deal, officials say




Updated March 30, 2017 6:41 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON—Mike Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, has told the Federal Bureau of Investigation and congressional officials investigating the Trump campaign’s potential ties to Russia that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for a grant of immunity from prosecution, according to officials with knowledge of the matter.

As an adviser to Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump’s top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.


Mr. Flynn’s attorney, Robert Kelner, declined to comment.

It wasn’t clear if Mr. Flynn had offered to talk about specific aspects of his time working for Mr. Trump, but the fact that he was seeking immunity suggested Mr. Flynn feels he may be in legal jeopardy following his brief stint as the national security adviser, one official said.

Mr. Flynn was forced to resign after acknowledging that he misled White House officials about the nature of his phone conversations with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. during the presidential transition.

Mr. Flynn’s communications with the Russian ambassador, Sergei Kislyak, have been scrutinized by the FBI, which is examining whether Trump campaign personnel colluded with Russian officials who are alleged to have interfered with the presidential election, according to current and former U.S. officials. Russia has denied the allegations.

Mr. Flynn also was paid tens of thousands of dollars by three Russian companies, including the state-sponsored media network RT, for speeches he made shortly before he became a formal adviser to Mr. Trump’s campaign, according to documents obtained by a congressional oversight committee.

Democratic lawmakers have requested a copy of the security-clearance form that Mr. Flynn was required to file before joining Mr. Trump in the White House, to see if he disclosed sources of foreign income.

And they have asked the Defense Department to investigate whether Mr. Flynn, a retired Army general, violated the Constitution’s emoluments clause by accepting money from RT, which U.S. intelligence officials say is part of a state-funded media apparatus.

Here's how I now connect this (likely very closely related) story. Also from today via NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

WASHINGTON — A pair of White House officials helped provide Representative Devin Nunes of California, a Republican and the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, with the intelligence reports that showed that President Trump and his associates were incidentally swept up in foreign surveillance by American spy agencies.

The revelation on Thursday that White House officials disclosed the reports, which Mr. Nunes then discussed with Mr. Trump, is likely to fuel criticism that the intelligence chairman has been too eager to do the bidding of the Trump administration while his committee is supposed to be conducting an independent investigation of Russia’s meddling in the presidential election.

It is the latest twist of a bizarre Washington drama that began after dark on March 21, when Mr. Nunes got a call from a person he has described only as a source. The call came as he was riding across town in an Uber car, and he quickly diverted to the White House. The next day, Mr. Nunes gave a hastily arranged news conference before running off to brief Mr. Trump on what he had learned the night before from — as it turns out — White House officials.

So two WH staffers leak information to Nunes last Tuesday on WH grounds, and how accurate the information actually is is still unknown of course. But now that we know about Flynn potentially getting immunity (unknown at this point), the most interesting part is that apparently one of these two WH staffers who talked to Nunes secretly last week was the same person the CIA & NSA recommended against giving a security clearance to (previously reported months ago); he was given one anyway, and the NSA/CIA's security clearance concerns were overruled by none other than Trump himself, at the request of now former NSC chief Michael Flynn, now requesting immunity to cooperate as an FBI witness. Not only that, but after Flynn left, apparently this same WH NSC staffer was only able to stay on after Kushner and Bannon stepped in to vouch for him.

Pretty unbelievable, but no one should be at all surprised. Rabbit hole goes a lot further, no doubt.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Still nothing concrete honestly if I were asked, I'd ask for immunity too even if I thought I did nothing wrong

On the other hand

As I said earlier Flynn has been rumored to drag shit up when he was last fired.

 

[UberNeuman]

Now, the real game begins...

lol...

 

[woolfe9998]

Still nothing concrete honestly if I were asked, I'd ask for immunity too even if I thought I did nothing wrong

On the other hand

As I said earlier Flynn has been rumored to drag shit up when he was last fired.

You're trying too hard to interpret this innocently. The usual reason someone asks for immunity is because they're guilty of something. Also, the request for immunity usually means that the person asking for it has something valuable to offer in exchange, or why bother asking. Something valuable typically means a more important person who is guilty of something, or an equally important person who is guilty of something more serious.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Oliver North had immunity to testify too. How'd that work out again?

 

[IronWing]

Oliver North had immunity to testify too. How'd that work out again?

Could you repeat the question?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You're trying too hard to interpret this innocently. The usual reason someone asks for immunity is because they're guilty of something. Also, the request for immunity usually means that the person asking for it has something valuable to offer in exchange, or why bother asking. Something valuable typically means a more important person who is guilty of something, or an equally important person who is guilty of something more serious.

Point taken, I'm still trying to give the President a chance even though there is nearly nothing I like about him. We'll see what happens.

 

[Commodus]

There's no guarantee that something useful would come out of Flynn testifying. All the same... remember how some people were doubting that Trump's administration would last a full year, or two at the outside? That's seeming more plausible every day.

 

[Commodus]

Flynn has issued a statement.

The gist: he "certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it," but he doesn't believe he can do it when there are "outrageous claims of treason" and he might be subject to "unfair prosecution."

The two halves of that statement don't mesh: I have totally juicy things to say, but I swear I'm innocent and I think I'd be railroaded. As I've seen observers note, you don't ask for immunity unless think you might have done something wrong. My suspicion is that he's just saying this to cover his butt if he isn't granted immunity.

 

[Balt]

I wouldn't rush to give Flynn immunity. He's seemingly been involved with some pretty sketchy stuff involving Russia and Turkey, and I'm not convinced he can (or will) offer anything that would implicate Trump or anyone really close to him.

Sounds like he's just trying to get some safety for himself. He might be the dirtiest one of the bunch.