breaking into cars with electronic box?

manimal

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is that the iphone six



If true and not a hoax then then the auto mfgs are going to get very nervous. One of the people on camera seems to be walking past the car as it opens like hes walking down the street transmitting waiting to get one in range/activate. He passes the door the lights go on and he immediately goes back and in. The two right next to each other that open however dont fit the pattern. Intriguing story
 
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TwiceOver

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I'm pretty sure this was posted a long time ago. Hadn't heard much about it since.
 

phucheneh

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Because it's bullshit.

Those are probably cars with smart keys that the retard owners have left inside the car.
 

SearchMaster

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From what I've read, it is real and is very concerning to police forces. However the Houston PD (IIRC) has one of the devices and they are working to understand it.
 

DrPizza

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There are quite a few vehicles whose doors are capable of being controlled by the computer - above 5mph, the doors automatically lock. When put in park, the doors unlock. I'd consider this to be plausible.

I don't know much about the wireless signal sent by keys to remotely unlock a vehicle - but I do recall that a more expensive remote control that I owned at one point was capable of recording directly from other remotes. So, it also seems conceivable that someone could simply wait near any parking lot, record people unlocking their vehicles, then play that back the next day (assuming they park in that area daily.)
 

rudeguy

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There are quite a few vehicles whose doors are capable of being controlled by the computer - above 5mph, the doors automatically lock. When put in park, the doors unlock. I'd consider this to be plausible.

I don't know much about the wireless signal sent by keys to remotely unlock a vehicle - but I do recall that a more expensive remote control that I owned at one point was capable of recording directly from other remotes. So, it also seems conceivable that someone could simply wait near any parking lot, record people unlocking their vehicles, then play that back the next day (assuming they park in that area daily.)

Most radio frequency remotes are code hopping. It used to be that someone could do just what you said but now they change codes after each press. Also in order for alarms to learn new remotes, it takes the key to the vehicle. The alarm doesn't recognize just any rf signal, it needs to be paired up. I spent years doing car audio and can tell you that getting a remote to with an alarm, even a factory one, when they haven't been paired is next to impossible. And if it did somehow happen, it would only work once. After that it would take something like 2 billion attempts.

My best guess would be these are vehicles with smart keys that work off bluetooth. Bluetooth is exploitable and I would't doubt that someone took the time to learn how to exploit smart keys. I have no experience in this and didn't look into it at all. That would just be my hunch.
 

slag

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From what I've read, it is real and is very concerning to police forces. However the Houston PD (IIRC) has one of the devices and they are working to understand it.

I read this in May MacKenzie's voice (Mike Meyer's mom from "So I married an Axe Murderer".
 

phucheneh

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There are quite a few vehicles whose doors are capable of being controlled by the computer - above 5mph, the doors automatically lock. When put in park, the doors unlock. I'd consider this to be plausible.

I don't know much about the wireless signal sent by keys to remotely unlock a vehicle - but I do recall that a more expensive remote control that I owned at one point was capable of recording directly from other remotes. So, it also seems conceivable that someone could simply wait near any parking lot, record people unlocking their vehicles, then play that back the next day (assuming they park in that area daily.)

Computers control most everything in modern cars. Entry-level Korean cars were probably the last holdouts for some of the more 'old-school' stuff. No chipped key, no keyless entry, ect. May have only had a PCM. But even a Kia Rio now has a BCM with some basic immobilizer/anti-theft functionality, I'm pretty sure.

Any car with power locks is certainly going to be operating them via transistor. Even if a car is available without keyless entry, it makes financial sense for the automaker to not make two different systems. So the unlock button on the door of your non-keyless model is interacting with the same computer that would be triggering the door locks as a result of a remote unlock. Or because vehicle speed has hit a certain threshold or whatnot.

I think Rudeguy addressed the feasibility of this pretty well. You're just not gonna 'brute force' your way into your average car using an RF remote. I'm not sure about the tech employed in smart keys...I had thought that was still a similar RF system, but maybe not? Bluetooth would make sense, I guess.

For anyone that hasn't used a smart key, the important part is that they generally have a proximity unlock feature- you walk up to the car with the key fob in your pocket, touch a button on the door handle (or just touch the handle itself), and the car unlocks. I assume that your touch triggers the car to say 'hey, a person...checking for key fob...' but I don't know how the fob is detected. I would think it would have to see a request from the car and then respond actively...a constant passive signal doesn't seem very feasible.

Unless there's a newer exploit based around the smart keys, I still just think this is bullshit. The only feasible method would be capturing the signal from a remote and then somehow using that to broadcast your own valid unlock request. And that seems very, very difficult. People with the necessary brainpower are probably not the ones interested in stealing stuff out of your car.
 

Red Squirrel

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I've always wondered about all these fancy electronics they put in cars these days, and how secure they actually are.

Heck, never mind cars. PLANES. Wasn't there an incident where someone was able to wirelessly interface with the autopilot with their phone? I think it was fixed, but the fact that companies are using wireless technologies and not even considering security is a scary thing.
 

rudeguy

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I've always wondered about all these fancy electronics they put in cars these days, and how secure they actually are.

Heck, never mind cars. PLANES. Wasn't there an incident where someone was able to wirelessly interface with the autopilot with their phone? I think it was fixed, but the fact that companies are using wireless technologies and not even considering security is a scary thing.

I just leave my car unlocked and don't leave anything in there I value.
 
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